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New Nostalgia.
Intel is the most famous. Most of the chip companies in Silicon Valley can trace their roots back to Fairchild (including Zilog, AMD, National Semiconductor, Maxim)


The Z80, for a long time a very very popular microprocessor was descended from the Intel 8080 and the Intel 8085. Zilog was started by someone from Intel. I heard the Z80 opcodes made a lot of sense if you looked at them in octal rather than hexadecimal. The Z80 is also the classic 8bit CISC micro-processor; it had instructions would could do block copies and searches, for instance.

13. What was good about 6502 architecture? Why didn't it scale well?


At a time when CPU's had few transistors, few registers and memory was faster than CPU's, it had a fast index mode (8-bit indexed addressing) so the first 256 bytes of memory could be used effectively as a large register file. ... But as CPU's got much faster than memory, going off chip more than absolutely necessary is a bad idea.


TI did a similar thing with their 9900 architecture. The register file was actually in memory. It also had a kind of context jump which got you a new set of registers. It also didn't have a stack, instead storing return addresses in registers. This required some interesting and creative techniques for modular code. The 9900 also had an extremely well-organized instruction set.

Wade.
"Insert crowbar. Apply force."
New Z80 lives!
Federico Fagin, one of the Zilog co-founders, was at Intel and was a major part of the Intel CPU team.

Zilog tried all kind of things (including Z800, Z8000, Z80000) before getting back to their old line: Z8 microcontrollers and Z80 microcontrollers. It looks like they're getting turned around; annual sales are around $100 million (compare to Intel, at over $30 billion). They are adding ARM9 microcontrollers for 32-bits.

The eZ80 (e.g. ez80F91) is based on the classic Z80 architecture, but with support for 16M memory, comes with 16K SRAM, 256K flash, Ethernet, and more. Zilog has a $100 development kit (including C compiler and RTOS), and it has a very active Yahoo! group.

By volume (and probably value), most microprocessors can trace their roots back to the 1970's - not just x86 and 68xxx (including the modern Coldfire RISC versions), but also the high volume 8-bit chips such as the Microchip PICs, Moto 68xx, and Intel 8051 (made by scores of companies). Note that neither the 6502 nor the TI 9900 survived.

--Tony
New The 6502 and the 9900 were really historical oddities.
That's not to say they weren't individually brilliant, but the way they were designed and worked was intrinsically tied to 64K of the memory of the time.

TI never supported the 9900 properly. That's the main reason it's not around any more. I don't know about the 6502 - it probably died because it was really too simple.

Wade.
"Insert crowbar. Apply force."
New Apple chose 6502 because it was the cheapest . . .
Nothing like chosing an end of life chip to power a new product, but admittedly better Intel chips cost more and that might have compromised their 50% or greater profit margin rule (dealer profit was on top of that).
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Expand Edited by Andrew Grygus Feb. 22, 2006, 06:11:22 PM EST
New So did Commodore. And probably Atari.
The 6502 was a quarter of the size of the competing 6809 and therefore much cheaper.

Wade.
"Insert crowbar. Apply force."
New It was also much easier to program.


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New That's what all the 6502 fan boys say
but I wasn't so impressed when I did 6502 assembly.

However, although it doesn't have the volume of the competition, it still lives, including the 16-bit 65816 version:
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--Tony
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     Friday Silicon Trivia Challenge - (tonytib) - (15)
         Too hard! No googling; lots of fuzzy guesses enclosed. - (Another Scott) - (2)
             1b. Owners = companies (Fairchild camera, Schlumberger etc) -NT - (tonytib)
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             You must have had fun - (tonytib)
         Intel was OO at the same time as Smalltalk - (tonytib) - (9)
             Thanks! -NT - (Another Scott)
             Nostalgia. - (static) - (7)
                 Z80 lives! - (tonytib) - (6)
                     The 6502 and the 9900 were really historical oddities. - (static) - (5)
                         Apple chose 6502 because it was the cheapest . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (4)
                             So did Commodore. And probably Atari. - (static)
                             It was also much easier to program. -NT - (pwhysall) - (2)
                                 That's what all the 6502 fan boys say - (tonytib) - (1)
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