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Post #244,909 by admin 2/16/06 9:09:16 AM Reply	The arrogance around here is staggering. Get off your fucking high horse, Todd. No where did I say that components are bad. Yes, scriptable/programmable things are nice... for about 5% of the public. In the end, the user could care less if everything is written in GOTOs and INTERCAL, as long as it does what they want it to do. And once again, oh-so-enlightened one: DATA FORMAT IS NOT IMPLEMENTATION. It can drive it, yes, but you can have completely non-componentized cameras that all use the same image format. So quit pissing on everyone here because they don't agree with you about user's wants, and stop trying to represent that disagreement as stupidity and ignorance. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #244,950 by tuberculosis 2/16/06 11:34:53 AM Reply	Fine - you're all wrong and we'll leave it at that becuase I can barely cope with the UI complexity of my cell phone - but the teenagers are all over them. You say users can't deal with complexity and don't care. I see different. You can stop replying any time. Cool huh. "Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein "This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
Post #244,969 by admin 2/16/06 12:07:44 PM Reply	As soon as you stop misrepresenting me I will I didn't say "can't" and I didn't say they all don't care. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."

Kristen Nygaard and Programmable interfaces - (systems) - (86) - Feb. 1, 2006, 05:14:27 AM EST

What about his history is interesting? - (ben_tilly) - (85) - Feb. 1, 2006, 09:49:24 PM EST

Re: What about his history is interesting? - (systems) - (84) - Feb. 2, 2006, 03:40:40 AM EST

You would do better to read Alan Kay - (tuberculosis) - (82) - Feb. 2, 2006, 04:04:27 PM EST

Wow. - (Arkadiy) - (81) - Feb. 4, 2006, 08:59:38 PM EST

Did you see HTML on the list? - (ben_tilly) - (79) - Feb. 6, 2006, 04:09:49 PM EST

OK, could you explain? - (Arkadiy) - (78) - Feb. 11, 2006, 07:03:26 PM EST

I think the point is that they're tools that are pretty easy - (jake123) - Feb. 11, 2006, 07:24:33 PM EST

Here's an example - (tuberculosis) - (76) - Feb. 11, 2006, 11:13:34 PM EST

lrpd the whole damn thing -NT - (boxley) - Feb. 11, 2006, 11:09:25 PM EST

I admire your pattern of use for computers - (Arkadiy) - (15) - Feb. 12, 2006, 12:45:02 PM EST

Not necessarily so (the "beyond 90%" part). - (pwhysall) - (10) - Feb. 12, 2006, 12:53:11 PM EST

I've got no Mac (yet?) - (Arkadiy) - (9) - Feb. 12, 2006, 03:29:48 PM EST

squeak.org -NT - (tuberculosis) - Feb. 12, 2006, 04:22:21 PM EST

Python? - (pwhysall) - (7) - Feb. 12, 2006, 05:19:59 PM EST

I've seen Python and Squeak - (Arkadiy) - (6) - Feb. 13, 2006, 06:27:52 PM EST

I'm shocked, sir. - (pwhysall) - (5) - Feb. 14, 2006, 01:44:42 AM EST

The 10% who understand things like - (Arkadiy) - (4) - Feb. 14, 2006, 12:07:20 PM EST

I've seen that smile - (drewk) - (1) - Feb. 14, 2006, 12:09:17 PM EST

The worst part is, she is righ. - (Arkadiy) - Feb. 14, 2006, 12:13:45 PM EST

DWIM?!? - (jb4) - (1) - Feb. 16, 2006, 02:09:11 PM EST

do what I meant -NT - (boxley) - Feb. 16, 2006, 02:13:24 PM EST

I don't believe the "crutch" is necessary - (tuberculosis) - Feb. 12, 2006, 04:21:57 PM EST

disagree, recently sent a example of an application - (boxley) - (2) - Feb. 12, 2006, 07:00:51 PM EST

A crutch - (Arkadiy) - Feb. 13, 2006, 06:29:12 PM EST

I need to have me a look at that - (pwhysall) - Feb. 14, 2006, 01:48:21 AM EST

I'd like that to be true, but don't think it is - (drewk) - (58) - Feb. 12, 2006, 07:25:14 PM EST

Ive used that treehouse design, didnt think too much of it - (boxley) - Feb. 12, 2006, 07:51:29 PM EST

You are a prisoner of your assumptions and conditioning - (tuberculosis) - (55) - Feb. 12, 2006, 11:53:09 PM EST

my point is that people use what they know - (boxley) - (2) - Feb. 13, 2006, 08:30:08 AM EST

Yes - exactly - (tuberculosis) - (1) - Feb. 13, 2006, 04:42:47 PM EST

sounds like a fax lnp project to me :-) -NT - (boxley) - Feb. 13, 2006, 06:24:45 PM EST

There's a central point we seem to differ on - (drewk) - (51) - Feb. 13, 2006, 09:04:53 AM EST

Yes, you can only think of one thing at a time - (tuberculosis) - (50) - Feb. 13, 2006, 04:55:43 PM EST

If I missed your point, it's because you forgot to make it - (drewk) - (49) - Feb. 13, 2006, 09:00:32 PM EST

But the applications *are* the walls - (tuberculosis) - (48) - Feb. 13, 2006, 10:50:05 PM EST

They're also inevitable - (drewk) - (47) - Feb. 14, 2006, 09:32:04 AM EST

Necessary for other reasons as well - (ben_tilly) - (8) - Feb. 14, 2006, 10:56:41 AM EST

There's a couple projects aimed at addressing security - (tuberculosis) - (2) - Feb. 14, 2006, 01:15:51 PM EST

Bah, break for lunch and people go and end the discussion -NT - (drewk) - (1) - Feb. 14, 2006, 01:42:58 PM EST

I've made it back to the office - gotta catch up! -NT - (tuberculosis) - Feb. 14, 2006, 03:09:58 PM EST

email has walls? think again - (boxley) - (4) - Feb. 14, 2006, 07:22:35 PM EST

That's what client-side encryption is for -NT - (drewk) - Feb. 14, 2006, 07:26:09 PM EST

As far as most recipients are concerned, it does - (ben_tilly) - (2) - Feb. 14, 2006, 07:29:26 PM EST

like windows, its the perception of security that counts -NT - (boxley) - (1) - Feb. 14, 2006, 08:25:23 PM EST

It is more complex than that - (ben_tilly) - Feb. 14, 2006, 09:50:40 PM EST

I was the king of level 1 help desk - (tuberculosis) - (37) - Feb. 14, 2006, 01:10:28 PM EST

Followed a link from the google search - (drewk) - (35) - Feb. 14, 2006, 01:41:29 PM EST

Hey, I had people who didn't know a menu from a window - (tuberculosis) - (34) - Feb. 14, 2006, 02:03:30 PM EST

I don't want to keep reinventing things - (drewk) - (33) - Feb. 14, 2006, 02:18:58 PM EST

Taxes are probably a bad example. - (Another Scott) - (32) - Feb. 14, 2006, 02:59:29 PM EST

Depends on what you want an example of - (drewk) - (31) - Feb. 14, 2006, 04:05:05 PM EST

Bingo - (tuberculosis) - (30) - Feb. 14, 2006, 09:32:13 PM EST

You're fighting human nature - (drewk) - (29) - Feb. 14, 2006, 10:02:41 PM EST

Take your last thought a little farther... - (Another Scott) - Feb. 14, 2006, 10:59:50 PM EST

Evidence runs to the contrary - (tuberculosis) - (27) - Feb. 15, 2006, 01:47:00 PM EST

you can safely ignore drewk - (boxley) - Feb. 15, 2006, 01:59:17 PM EST

You have a much looser definition of "make stuff" than I do - (drewk) - (25) - Feb. 15, 2006, 03:06:11 PM EST

Complete Bollocks - (tuberculosis) - (24) - Feb. 15, 2006, 05:28:06 PM EST

You're kidding me, right? - (admin) - (23) - Feb. 15, 2006, 05:43:12 PM EST

There will always be people too old to learn - (tuberculosis) - (22) - Feb. 15, 2006, 05:48:02 PM EST

I'll let you tell her she's "too old" to learn - (admin) - (21) - Feb. 15, 2006, 06:04:06 PM EST

It's also called respecting someone else's domain - (tonytib) - (20) - Feb. 15, 2006, 07:03:06 PM EST

Point missed again - (tuberculosis) - (19) - Feb. 15, 2006, 07:47:15 PM EST

And you're missing the point we're trying to make. - (admin) - (17) - Feb. 15, 2006, 07:50:19 PM EST

I wouldn't say immaterial - (jake123) - (2) - Feb. 15, 2006, 07:54:20 PM EST

MP3 is a data format, not an architecture. - (admin) - (1) - Feb. 15, 2006, 09:36:37 PM EST

Not my point - (jake123) - Feb. 16, 2006, 01:01:46 AM EST

I don't give a flip about your point - (tuberculosis) - (13) - Feb. 15, 2006, 08:35:24 PM EST

ICLRPD (new thread) - (boxley) - Feb. 15, 2006, 08:42:25 PM EST

Uh, yeah. - (admin) - (11) - Feb. 15, 2006, 09:35:01 PM EST

I don't have to bow to nobody! - (drewk) - (1) - Feb. 15, 2006, 09:56:02 PM EST

Exactly. -NT - (admin) - Feb. 15, 2006, 10:05:11 PM EST

Right on! - (tonytib) - (8) - Feb. 16, 2006, 12:30:54 AM EST

The ignorance around here is staggering - (tuberculosis) - (7) - Feb. 16, 2006, 01:17:38 AM EST

We disagree with you, so we're ignorant ... good call -NT - (drewk) - (3) - Feb. 16, 2006, 09:06:14 AM EST

Something about photos - not capable - links - (tuberculosis) - (2) - Feb. 16, 2006, 11:33:15 AM EST

Something about Photoshop, easy to use, etc - (tonytib) - (1) - Feb. 16, 2006, 11:54:38 AM EST

Heck... - (folkert) - Feb. 16, 2006, 12:18:35 PM EST

The arrogance around here is staggering. - (admin) - (2) - Feb. 16, 2006, 09:09:16 AM EST

Fine - you're all wrong and we'll leave it at that - (tuberculosis) - (1) - Feb. 16, 2006, 11:34:53 AM EST

As soon as you stop misrepresenting me I will - (admin) - Feb. 16, 2006, 12:07:44 PM EST

You keep missing the point - (tonytib) - Feb. 15, 2006, 08:19:16 PM EST

ICLRPD (new thread) - (lincoln) - March 3, 2006, 12:07:05 PM EST

ICLRPD (new thread) - (jb4) - Feb. 13, 2006, 02:38:04 PM EST

The idea is that these are tools for adhoc computing - (tuberculosis) - Feb. 6, 2006, 04:38:29 PM EST

The short history.... - (ChrisR) - Feb. 2, 2006, 08:13:20 PM EST

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