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New But..
if it wasn't for baseball and football...there'd be nothing left but the Arch in downtown St Louis.
You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! Laurie Anderson

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New Then let them get a business loan
like all the other businesses in St. Louis. If I, applied for a loan to start a business, I get the standard 21% loan. If I wanted to start a ballpark or statium, apparently I can get a $300M grant with no payback (IE: Richfare) to build it provided I own a sports team.

Other things in Saint Louis besides Sorts Teams that bring people in:

Our Universities

Our Hospitals

Our Transportation (Planes, Trains, and Autombiles pass through here all the time)

Our Convention Centers

The Brewery, Grant's Farm, etc. Herr Busch is good to us.

St. Louis Zoo

St. Louis Science Center

Several Casinos, boats in moats

Soulard Market

Six Flags (not that far away)

Plus the fact that it is the Gateway to the west and many people pass through here on route to other locations.

We got more that sports teams to pack people in. If you ask me, and the sports teams left, we would be better off. Sports fans used to come in to the Metrolink and dent up my car as they tried to park their car while drunk. Plus they pack the Metrolink up when they come in, and many of them do not bathe, and sometimes you are standing up with their armpits in your face. Plus they leave litter everywhere, spit everywhere, and park where they shouldn't park.

"In order to completely solve a problem, you must make sure that the root of the problem is completely removed! If you leave the root, the problem will come back later to get you." - Norman King
New You have a local income tax?
Figure out how much comes back from that on player salaries, concessions, seat sales.

How much does the city make in parking?

How much business is generated in the area b4, during and after games.

If not for those 2 franchises...there would be a big shiny arch and 2 riverboats in downtown St Louis. Most of the businesses are gone already...moved into the burbs.

Plus...the RCA dome earns rental because its also used as part of the convention center...alot of cities don't even have that angle.
You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! Laurie Anderson

[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
New Yes we do have a local income tax
How much comes back in player salaries, concessions, seat sales? Well apparently most players make more in salaries, there is merchandising if they are famous enough. But I wonder how much comes back in taxes? Do they tax them the same 1% salary that we get taxed? Is it just the base salary, or the bonuses, stock shares, and perks as well that get taxed?

Anyway you look at it, the local income tax is a small percent of what they get from the $380M "gift" to the team owners to build them a new stadium. Not a loan mind you, richfare gifts. Heck, they even will throw in city workers to help upkeep the staium after it is built, all on the taxpayer's salary.

Parking? You must be joking? parking is full even when there is not a game in town. That is how they use the Metrolink instead of parking downtown. trust me, I used work downtown. It was much better to ride the Metrolink rather than hunt for a parking space. Even when the firm had a deal with a garage to give us space. That garage always gave our spaces away to convention people, or sold the space to sports fans despite us having reserved it.

Are you saying that the team owners and players could not afford the $380M cost of building a new stadium? Oh boo hoo, no more gold teapots or diamond paperweights? :)

Show me the return on the $380M investment, even the team owners could not do that.

Moving the companies into the subburbs is not such a bad idea, you know. The city sucks the life out of you after a while.

"In order to completely solve a problem, you must make sure that the root of the problem is completely removed! If you leave the root, the problem will come back later to get you." - Norman King
New Take a ride...
...across the river to East St Louis. See what happens when you give up and move everything out. The only thing you leave are poor people that you've just made poorer.

Take away the sports franchises and the (albeit limited) arts venues...there's no reason for anyone in the burb's to come into the city and spend money...so look across the river and ask yourself if you want that to spread west.
You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! Laurie Anderson

[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
New We already have that
it is just that the city is in denial. We already have gangs, and drug dealers, and broken down housing, and all of that other stuff. Only difference we have is that the City Police are only interested in giving out parking tickets, traffic tickets, harassing the street vendors over licenses, etc than cleaning out the filth of the city. A friend of mine got mugged three times in a row, one of them a Police officer was nearby and did nothing.

Downtown buildings are already falling apart and they don't enforce the building codes, as a result we have a lot of slum-lord/ladies that charge high rent for shabby apartments. Trust me, I used to live downtown in my college years from 1987-1989. The cockroaches only got "high" on Camicide and Bugbombs. One business I worked for, paid me with personal checks from the owner. When I asked for a W2 form, he just laughed, then I was let go. No record of me ever working there according to the state. But they get away with it.

I ask again, how much of the income that the ballparks make do the taxpayers see? Explain cities like St. Charles, or Imperial that still thrive despite not having ballparks, and being very far away from said city ballparks?

"In order to completely solve a problem, you must make sure that the root of the problem is completely removed! If you leave the root, the problem will come back later to get you." - Norman King
     Has Professional Wrestling lost its appeal? - (nking) - (16)
         Did it ever have any to lose? -NT - (Meerkat)
         My heart bleeds for that "sport" - (wharris2)
         Re: Has Professional Wrestling lost its appeal? - (pwhysall)
         Someone is pulling your chain Norm - (boxley)
         Since you dont get UPN - (boxley) - (1)
             Now that is funny - (nking)
         ITS FOOTBALL SEASON!!! (American Football for the "worldly") - (bepatient) - (9)
             Bucs got yer ass and what about them Jets? btw how the freak - (boxley) - (1)
                 I already have my t-shirt - (bepatient)
             Rabbit Season, Duck Season, Rabbit Season, Elmer Season! - (nking) - (6)
                 But.. - (bepatient) - (5)
                     Then let them get a business loan - (nking) - (4)
                         You have a local income tax? - (bepatient) - (3)
                             Yes we do have a local income tax - (nking) - (2)
                                 Take a ride... - (bepatient) - (1)
                                     We already have that - (nking)

Sweet baby Jesus on a skateboard, that's all that matters.
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