I wonder how Ben feels about stations

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Post #239,003 by tuberculosis 12/22/05 2:46:49 PM Reply	I wonder how Ben feels about stations switching to broadcasting in HDTV? "Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein "This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
Post #239,006 by folkert 12/22/05 3:34:23 PM Reply	Seems the US government is shoving this one down the throats of end users. There really is no need for them to get new TVs. They will just miss the extra info transmitted on the sidebands. Which of course, since it'll be wide format... the news and programs WILL use that area for things normally not have done. Like Center shots tween two people, meaning the "NTSC 4:3" only users will se about 2/3rds of each person... :) But, they will still be able to SEE it. -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* Freedom is not FREE. Yeah, but 10s of Trillions of US Dollars? SELECT * FROM scog WHERE ethics > 0; 0 rows returned.
Post #239,601 by jb4 12/27/05 6:49:54 PM Reply	IIRC Once we've (been) switched, the analog channels we've all come to know an love will be "reassigned" to the highest bidder for other things, like maybe CCTV-for-hire (to support the Surveilance society) or for YAN cell phone encoding scheme. jb4 shrub●bish (Am., from shrub* + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf.* BULLSHIT
Post #239,025 by ben_tilly 12/22/05 4:38:27 PM Reply	I think that the switch is fine... but I'm not happy with their decision to force the migration to complete by cutting off standard TV at a point where a lot of people would like to keep using their old TVs. Luckily this will be mitigated somewhat by the fact that cable and satellite TV providers are willing to provide the old style of signal. Cheers, Ben I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)

Graphing in Javascript using Canvas Tag - (tuberculosis) - (82) - Dec. 15, 2005, 09:06:52 PM EST

Nifty, but next to useless, unfortunately. - (admin) - (8) - Dec. 15, 2005, 10:16:45 PM EST

Only if you're supporting broken browsers - (tuberculosis) - (7) - Dec. 16, 2005, 01:33:27 AM EST

Er... - (admin) - (6) - Dec. 16, 2005, 07:13:18 AM EST

Yes, this is a toy - (tuberculosis) - (5) - Dec. 16, 2005, 11:05:56 AM EST

What about SVG? - (ChrisR) - (4) - Dec. 16, 2005, 11:23:05 AM EST

Its dead, Jim. - (tuberculosis) - (3) - Dec. 16, 2005, 12:08:00 PM EST

It's dead on the web. - (pwhysall) - Dec. 16, 2005, 11:53:40 AM EST

Standardization process is broken - (JayMehaffey) - (1) - Dec. 16, 2005, 12:17:52 PM EST

Have you ever served on standards committee? - (tuberculosis) - Dec. 16, 2005, 03:05:40 PM EST

And it crashes older browsers.... - (Simon_Jester) - (72) - Dec. 20, 2005, 09:22:17 AM EST

Cool! Makes you wanna upgrade! - (tuberculosis) - (71) - Dec. 20, 2005, 12:42:08 PM EST

No. Makes me think the web designer is a jackass. -NT - (ben_tilly) - (69) - Dec. 20, 2005, 12:43:38 PM EST

If a browser crashes - its not the designer's fault - (tuberculosis) - (68) - Dec. 20, 2005, 12:49:46 PM EST

Strongly disagree - (ben_tilly) - (67) - Dec. 20, 2005, 01:04:46 PM EST

I think we have different quality expectations of software - (tuberculosis) - (66) - Dec. 20, 2005, 02:45:35 PM EST

I seem to recall... - (Yendor) - (1) - Dec. 20, 2005, 03:17:26 PM EST

If it's valid HTML/CSS, that's a browser bug. - (pwhysall) - Dec. 20, 2005, 03:54:11 PM EST

Agree on the crash thing. - (pwhysall) - Dec. 20, 2005, 03:53:07 PM EST

I agree with you about well-written software - (ben_tilly) - (62) - Dec. 20, 2005, 04:14:38 PM EST

Not blaming the users per se - (tuberculosis) - (61) - Dec. 20, 2005, 05:55:08 PM EST

cf. Ada - (jb4) - Dec. 20, 2005, 06:28:32 PM EST

member of a working group now, know what ya mean -NT - (boxley) - Dec. 20, 2005, 06:37:43 PM EST

You might not be blaming the users... - (ben_tilly) - (58) - Dec. 20, 2005, 06:43:31 PM EST

problem is you are all not willing to use microsoft only -NT - (boxley) - (1) - Dec. 20, 2005, 07:05:16 PM EST

The right analogy for that is... - (ben_tilly) - Dec. 20, 2005, 07:08:11 PM EST

Or the user is enabling bad coders - (tuberculosis) - (55) - Dec. 20, 2005, 07:40:24 PM EST

Suppose I'm a user using an old browser... - (ben_tilly) - (54) - Dec. 20, 2005, 10:46:58 PM EST

By this logic we should all stick to html 3.2 forever - (tuberculosis) - (53) - Dec. 20, 2005, 11:38:00 PM EST

Go back to the root conversation - (ben_tilly) - (52) - Dec. 21, 2005, 11:49:20 AM EST

And it hasn't been touched in over 5 years - (tuberculosis) - (49) - Dec. 21, 2005, 12:23:33 PM EST

In other words the 1% figure was a red herring - (ben_tilly) - (48) - Dec. 22, 2005, 12:20:51 PM EST

I'm not the one doing the punishing in this scenario - (tuberculosis) - (4) - Dec. 22, 2005, 12:45:13 PM EST

You're not? - (ben_tilly) - (3) - Dec. 22, 2005, 08:17:03 PM EST

One user's pain is another's pleasure - (tuberculosis) - (2) - Dec. 23, 2005, 02:20:19 AM EST

Far too often... - (ben_tilly) - (1) - Dec. 23, 2005, 03:04:14 AM EST

He should not have to -NT - (broomberg) - Dec. 23, 2005, 11:49:48 AM EST

Is high-bandwidth streaming video a punishment? - (drewk) - (22) - Dec. 22, 2005, 01:12:11 PM EST

If you want to limit yourself... do that. - (folkert) - (18) - Dec. 22, 2005, 02:04:09 PM EST

No, they're being punsished - (drewk) - (17) - Dec. 22, 2005, 02:10:59 PM EST

ICLRPDs. (new thread) - (Another Scott) - Dec. 22, 2005, 02:15:57 PM EST

I wonder how Ben feels about stations - (tuberculosis) - (3) - Dec. 22, 2005, 02:46:49 PM EST

Seems the US government is shoving this one - (folkert) - (1) - Dec. 22, 2005, 03:34:23 PM EST

IIRC - (jb4) - Dec. 27, 2005, 06:49:54 PM EST

I think that the switch is fine... - (ben_tilly) - Dec. 22, 2005, 04:38:27 PM EST

No, it is not punishing them. - (folkert) - (11) - Dec. 22, 2005, 03:29:32 PM EST

I think you summarized my position pretty well - (ben_tilly) - (10) - Dec. 22, 2005, 04:50:06 PM EST

Firefox is a 5MB download that works well on older computers -NT - (pwhysall) - (9) - Dec. 22, 2005, 04:54:24 PM EST

Not on my old system - (ben_tilly) - (8) - Dec. 22, 2005, 08:14:37 PM EST

Re: Not on my old system - (pwhysall) - (7) - Dec. 23, 2005, 03:46:57 AM EST

Is there a reason? - (ben_tilly) - (6) - Dec. 23, 2005, 01:23:02 PM EST

"Hu-mour". -NT - (admin) - (5) - Dec. 23, 2005, 02:03:19 PM EST

Can't be. It isn't funny. -NT - (ben_tilly) - (4) - Dec. 23, 2005, 02:33:37 PM EST

Beg to differ - (drewk) - Dec. 23, 2005, 02:40:14 PM EST

Maybe to *you* it isn't. - (admin) - (2) - Dec. 23, 2005, 05:45:53 PM EST

of course they are misfunctioning, he's a father now -NT - (boxley) - (1) - Dec. 23, 2005, 06:17:01 PM EST

Agreed - (broomberg) - Dec. 23, 2005, 07:41:44 PM EST

No - (ben_tilly) - (2) - Dec. 22, 2005, 04:39:58 PM EST

Nobody? - (drewk) - (1) - Dec. 22, 2005, 04:50:41 PM EST

People aren't doing that? - (ben_tilly) - Dec. 22, 2005, 08:12:52 PM EST

I disagree - (pwhysall) - (1) - Dec. 22, 2005, 01:33:56 PM EST

Yes, the product is broken. But... - (ben_tilly) - Dec. 22, 2005, 04:41:56 PM EST

Also, aren't the users *choosing* to use a broken product? -NT - (pwhysall) - (17) - Dec. 22, 2005, 03:38:01 PM EST

Same question I offered Todd - (ben_tilly) - (16) - Dec. 22, 2005, 08:24:54 PM EST

Firefox, Opera, Safari, Camino -NT - (pwhysall) - (9) - Dec. 23, 2005, 03:47:48 AM EST

Firefox, Safari, and Camino at least are broken - (admin) - (7) - Dec. 23, 2005, 09:06:34 AM EST

Firefox and Safari - (tuberculosis) - (6) - Dec. 24, 2005, 10:56:24 PM EST

Firefox dumps core fairly regularly for me - (ben_tilly) - (1) - Dec. 25, 2005, 04:41:37 AM EST

Firefox/Deerpark 1.5 beta weird for me on MEPIS. - (Another Scott) - Dec. 25, 2005, 05:11:18 PM EST

Completely missing the point. - (admin) - (3) - Dec. 25, 2005, 02:35:08 PM EST

Yep, I don't get your point - (tuberculosis) - (2) - Dec. 25, 2005, 02:47:29 PM EST

Re: Yep, I don't get your point - (admin) - (1) - Dec. 25, 2005, 03:47:43 PM EST

So I should probably add something to my webpage - (tuberculosis) - Dec. 26, 2005, 10:59:48 PM EST

What Scott said - (ben_tilly) - Dec. 23, 2005, 02:02:36 PM EST

Epiphany -NT - (drewk) - (5) - Dec. 23, 2005, 10:08:50 AM EST

I haven't used it yet but... - (ben_tilly) - (4) - Dec. 23, 2005, 01:25:46 PM EST

Well I feel silly - (SpiceWare) - (3) - Dec. 23, 2005, 01:59:00 PM EST

And now I feel silly as well - (ben_tilly) - (2) - Dec. 23, 2005, 02:04:57 PM EST

Wheee! cha-ching cha-ching - (drewk) - (1) - Dec. 23, 2005, 02:15:54 PM EST

LOL - don't feel quite so silly anymore -NT - (SpiceWare) - Dec. 23, 2005, 04:04:24 PM EST

He who pays the piper calls the tune. - (broomberg) - (1) - Dec. 22, 2005, 09:38:12 PM EST

I understand why it happens. I don't have to like it. -NT - (ben_tilly) - Dec. 22, 2005, 09:50:43 PM EST

"The job is not done - (Arkadiy) - Dec. 20, 2005, 08:24:39 PM EST

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