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Peter
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New Funny.
Haha.

I guess he hasn't been targeted as a user, then, since you mock his opinion.

You might want to read most of the responses to this on Linuxtoday.

Of course, though they are from Linux users, they disagree with the direction Gnome is headed by and large, so I guess THEY aren't who Gnome is targeted at, either.

Imric's Tips for Living
  • Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
  • Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
  • Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.


Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
 
 
New LinuxToday is a self-selecting group...
...of people who, by definition, are not in GNOME's target user base.

Which is "ordinary people".

I dunno why I even give a fuck, to be honest.

I've got a Mac, and it blows everything else over the edge when it comes to Getting Shit Done.

I periodically start up the desktop Linux box, go "oh, everything still blows a bit more than GNOME, which still doesn't have a sensible task thinger", and then reboot it so I can play HL2 or Q4 or whatever. Given that I put up with Windows XP all day (I've currently got my desktop in "Windows 95" livery) and use a Mac all night and for anything I actually give a monkey's about, my interest in desktop Linux is largely academic.[0]

KDE4 is a chance for real change - I'm interested. But I reckon it'll be KDE3.5 with big shiny new-themy knobs on.

And the icons will still look like arse.
[0]Of course, Linux still shuffles my mail, and serves names, and filters spam, and whatnot. Don't need a GUI for that lot. Not even webmin. My webserver is strictly for ca(t|r) picture serviage.


Peter
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New Heheh. Self-selected as opposed to developer selected.
If you don't like Gnome, the developers haven't been targeting you anyway.

Most convenient - they can do no wrong. *chuckle*

I actually play my Windows games on Linux - Cedega works pretty well. I usually use it with Blackbox for performance reasons. My daily work is on KDE; browsing, mail, tn5250 to the AS/400, openoffice - pretty tame/ordinary stuff - I like using fish: on konqueror to occasionally access files on my box back home. It seems to work better than using ssh: on nautilus. I don't like rebooting back to W2k; it takes forever and it's a PITA. I DO use Linux and a Linux desktop for probably 90% of my computing 'experience'. Perhaps that's why I use KDE - like it or not, Gnome lags behind KDE in usability, stability, and performance. Again, it's not that Gnome is unusable, it's just not as good as KDE IMO. I DO like having a choice in the matter - I'm not a 'there can be only one' kind of guy.
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I'm not overwhelmed with the Mac interface, BTW. Oh, it's not bad, but it's not THAT much better than KDE, Gnome, or even Windows. Of course, I don't play on the Mac very often. Maybe its an aquired taste.


Imric's Tips for Living
  • Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
  • Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
  • Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.


Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
 
 
New On Mac desktops
They have no clue what a real virtual desktop is.
They think "reveal" key is a reasonable substitute.
The 3rd party multiple desktops seem OK, but then the system ends up unstable.
Blech.
New Oh, ta hell wit da lot o' 'ya.
I use the Workplace Shell. It is simplistic. It looks hopelessly primitive to the eyecandied eye. It is stable. It doesn't crash. I reboot when the power company crashes. It manages folders of icons that launch programs that work. It does exactly what I want it to do, when I want it to do it, with efficiencey and grace - and what I want it to do is help me CONDUCT BUSINESS.

I set it up for one of my clients when he was barely out of the garage shop (literally). I wrote him some programs in Turbo Pascal for DOS. He still uses those DOS programs under OS/2. He is now my wealthiest client. His business sells millions a month (some months). His employees cannot leave because they'd never find another job that pays that much.

He has a unique pilot's license. He's not licensed to fly a single engined aircraft because he took his training in his own airplane and he's never had to own one with just one engine.

He has never, ever, asked me to take his business off the DOS programs and the Workplace shell. He is not insane. None of his competitors, many 100 times his size, has the information his sales people have at their fingertips. His son, preparing to take over the business, holds this system as a trade secret.

I need to go out there and do maintenance and tweak his environment maybe 4 hours a year. He calls for help with problems three or four times a year (and enhancements to the programs maybe as often).

"Do you know what I paid you last year? 12,000 fuck'n dollars. That's absurd. I'm embarrassed to have paid you that. Send me a fuck'n invoice damnit!" (actual quote).

If Linux could match this, maybe I could sell it.
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Expand Edited by Andrew Grygus Dec. 14, 2005, 12:38:05 AM EST
New Hear, hear.
--\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n* Jack Troughton                            jake at consultron.ca *\n* [link|http://consultron.ca|http://consultron.ca]                   [link|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] *\n* Kingston Ontario Canada               [link|news://news.consultron.ca|news://news.consultron.ca] *\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
New Bookmarked! {chortle}
Such a concisely eloquent example makes me (almost) wish I'd taken the cue from the early IW daze, and the "OS/2 zealots stacked Our Survey! | Sandy Reed" BS -- and gone right-then with a Winner; Damn the popular mediocrity!

Almost.. but it's too late, now, for moi --
though I imagine that driving an OS/2 system, surrounded by all that toy s/ware, constantly screaming for attention - must be a little bit ~ using a Cisitalia or a SSKL-Mercedes as a daily driver. Let the yokels Stare .. and Wonder. And, predictably - shake pointy-little heads.

It's also a bit reassuring on a Human level, that yes, in fact: some group really did manage to make something digital: This Stable. Never mind that bizness and Ohms Law-iggerant 'entrepreneurs' cannot even grasp such a concept - and will always opt for eye-candy over substance.

So it isn't The Class, [humans] who fucked up this entire program to-date!
It was merely the noisy, meta-avaricious sub-class of Vulture Capitalist exploiters, premeditated panderers to this perpetuation of mass Ignorance.
For self-profit alone, at any cost to society.

(Well, I guess that's Some consolation, in the long run :-/ Sorta. Philosophically speaking.)

So then, as a perennial-User, never apt to invest as much mental labor (Again!) into any. thing. with a CPU, as I happily invest in other Interests - 'My OS/2 Substitute' shall likely eventually be some future OSX model.. even with the lesser stability (as may well suffer ~deterioration via new glued-on eye-candy, I fear.)

Your small essay at least lets me put the whole sordid mess into perspective - gracias.



First we kill all the entrepreneurs
(Then ... the lawyers.)
The preachers will evaporate, for lack of the afflicted.
New If the WPS was ported to Linux
and opened up,
  1. I'd be using it
  2. It wouldn't look 'primitive' for long
  3. The eyecandy would be there for those that want it

It's a real pity there's about zero chance of this happening.

Imric's Tips for Living
  • Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
  • Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
  • Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.


Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
 
 
New Dunno about zero
The WPS is one of those pieces that MSFT doesn't have their IP involved in.
--\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n* Jack Troughton                            jake at consultron.ca *\n* [link|http://consultron.ca|http://consultron.ca]                   [link|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] *\n* Kingston Ontario Canada               [link|news://news.consultron.ca|news://news.consultron.ca] *\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
     Linus has blessed KDE and cursed Gnome - (broomberg) - (16)
         He's also the fellow who saw no need for a kernel debugger. - (hnick)
         Whew! - (Another Scott)
         Ooh, a kernel developer on high-level UI! - (pwhysall) - (9)
             Funny. - (imric) - (8)
                 LinuxToday is a self-selecting group... - (pwhysall) - (7)
                     Heheh. Self-selected as opposed to developer selected. - (imric) - (6)
                         On Mac desktops - (broomberg) - (5)
                             Oh, ta hell wit da lot o' 'ya. - (Andrew Grygus) - (4)
                                 Hear, hear. -NT - (jake123)
                                 Bookmarked! {chortle} - (Ashton)
                                 If the WPS was ported to Linux - (imric) - (1)
                                     Dunno about zero - (jake123)
         Also, Linus uses Vim. - (pwhysall)
         Not a matter of eliminating options... - (ChrisR) - (1)
             And it's a decent LRPD, too... (new thread) - (imric)
         Nice full explanation - (broomberg)

Now, would I trow dis lit match in if my friend Muggsy were in dere?
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