Well, this thing better actually BE stable.

Post #237,291 by Andrew Grygus 12/7/05 4:10:15 PM Reply	Well, this thing better actually BE stable. Downloaded all 14 CD images for Debian Sarge v3.1r0a and burned two sets (one for the client whose server is sitting on the bench). Good thing I wasn't in a hurry. Of course, last time I did an install, including the kernel compile set, I only needed CDs 1,2,3 and 13. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #237,296 by pwhysall 12/7/05 4:50:32 PM Reply	Look into FAI (fully automatic install). If you're deploying the same thing (broadly speaking) over and over, it'll save you a lot of time. Peter [link\|http://www.no2id.net/\|Don't Let The Terrorists Win] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #237,303 by Andrew Grygus 12/7/05 6:46:00 PM Reply	Alas, it's unlikely to be so. It'll be several months before I build another server, and by then I won't even be able to buy any of the stuff I used in this one. Product market life these days seems to be less than 6 months. This unit is Athlon64 3200+ with SCSI RAID (client turned down SATA RAID in favor of "tried and true") and 40-Gig tape. Now if I could get someone to go with Linux on the desktop I could do multiples, but that seems to be pretty far off yet. My only Linux desktop client so far was soon forced to Windows XP by their customers (big retailers like Walmart, Home Depot and Lowes). Their customers do business by email attachments that have to be filled out and sent back in perfect Windows 2000 format. Even OpenOffice 2.x doesn't do well enough (I already tried). [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #237,459 by folkert 12/9/05 12:36:24 PM Reply	Look into Crossover office. It really works. Well, really well. If I could get it to run one other program (its a delphi app) to run with it... I could GOTO Linux for the Whole company barring 7 machines out in production. -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* Freedom is not FREE. Yeah, but 10s of Trillions of US Dollars? SELECT * FROM scog WHERE ethics > 0; 0 rows returned.
Post #237,462 by Andrew Grygus 12/9/05 1:03:10 PM Reply	Most of my clients have had computers since before . . . . . the IBM PC was born. They've all had experiences where "bulletproof compatibility" has broken with the next release of either the environment or the application and are quite suspicious of anything not native. It'd be a hard sell. An example of how hard it is, the client who was running Linux desktops kept complaining continuously that they couldn't open email attachments. The reason they couldn't open them was they were worms and viruses, but that didn't stop the complaining. Now I just charge them for an occasional worming and they're happy. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #237,463 by boxley 12/9/05 1:08:18 PM Reply	ICLRPD Now I just charge them for an occasional worming and they're happy. "the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #237,512 by CRConrad 12/9/05 6:49:16 PM Reply	Look into Kylix. It might really work. :-) [link\|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode\|Christian R. Conrad] (I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.) Yes Mr. Garrison, genetic engineering lets us correct God's horrible, horrible mistakes, like German people. - [link\|http://maxpages.com/southpark2k/Episode_105\|Mr. Hat]
Post #237,768 by folkert 12/12/05 1:45:11 PM Reply	Oh... believe me! I have tried and tried and tried. Then tried some more. The company WON'T even look at it. As there isn't a "demand" for it. I want the Linux version. I can't be the lone candidate for it. I have even asked them to just try it. Nope no can do, to busy. I have also offered to help them testing and getting certified by the USPS. The thing is, it would be the same codebase, getting 2 build types for nearly zero work... how could you NOT want to do it. The USPS certifies based on codebase, not on build. If the build for one codebase on one platform works, they work on good faith that the others build and run similarly. This is the application we talked about before. They still are not buyinig it. Grrr, that is frustrating. -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* Freedom is not FREE. Yeah, but 10s of Trillions of US Dollars? SELECT * FROM scog WHERE ethics > 0; 0 rows returned.
Post #237,525 by Andrew Grygus 12/9/05 8:18:12 PM Reply	At a dead stop now. Same problem I had last time, the triad of VIA chipset, Linux and the LSI RAID controler doesn't work, even though this motherboard is a 64-bit. Hangs at loading the MegaRAID SCSI driver. SATA seems to be the hang-up because last time I just went back to a pre-SATA chipset and it worked fine. Don't have that option with the 64-bit boards so I've ordered a motherboard with the nVidia chipset. Hope that works. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #237,770 by folkert 12/12/05 1:55:54 PM Reply	Duh, you are using the same install media. What, did ya think the media would magically change? Or the Hardware would become more compliant? What planet are we on? Are you on the same one? Of course not. But I have never had good luck with anything MegaRAID (LSI or AMI revisions) -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* Freedom is not FREE. Yeah, but 10s of Trillions of US Dollars? SELECT * FROM scog WHERE ethics > 0; 0 rows returned.
Post #237,778 by Andrew Grygus 12/12/05 2:26:40 PM Reply	NO WAY: brand new "stable" release, downloaded . . . . . the day before. Now just as a test I did try the older "unstable" media set I'd used the previous time (which did install on a non-SATA VIA chipset but not the SATA one) to see if there was a difference, but no - no difference. LSI firmware flashed with latest version from last month, too - a year more recent than the flash for the previous install (which did fix one VIA problem that would affect all operating systems). [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #238,168 by Andrew Grygus 12/15/05 3:30:39 PM Reply	OK, works with nVidia nForce 4 chipset. Only problem is, the Marvell 88E8001 Gigabit Ethernet isn't detected by the installer - but I can work around that easily enough. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]

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