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Post #235,534
by folkert
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11/22/05 12:39:18 PM
11/22/05 1:23:47 PM
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New WEEEEEE! (Great gallopin' goshes)
Thanks for reminding me, though not really reminding me.

I am now using Enlightenment as my window manager.

It has been quite a while since I looked at E, I'd like to say: THANKS.

I have to say, I am surprised. Especially now I get to get rid on my launcher farms.

Everything I wanted is in E, and I still get GNOME.

Schweet. Now to turn off the things I don't want, as GNOME does some of the tasks the way I want. But most tasks or events i want E to take care of.

And, if I am remembering right Enlightenment was the default GNOME Window Manager for a good while early on (pre 1.0 through 1.2, I believe)

It still seems to work just fine. I'll start a new thread *IF* I find anything I can't do (or remember howto do) which is doubtful. (Though recently I forgot the tags for underlining text, in HTML... ahhh!)

/me is now discovering all the things he missed again.


Edit: AHHHHHH! I have window Grouping again! AHHHH! AHHHH! I have sane Window Shading again. AHHH! I can turn off brders or not per window and have it remember it!!! AHHH even gnome-terminal works with autochanging my text color schemes... ahhhhhhhhhh......

Maximum Window heights and widths, stacking rules, icon boxes, plus nautilus behave differently now... better. Configurable workspace flips, configurable snap-to, macro definitions, menu rules... script that work with the window manager... WOOOOOHOOOO!

/me runs around skipping for joy, jumping up and down in defferent location as to not ruin the concrete

/me explodes into a puddle of utter pleasantness.


AHHHHHHH!


Below are the keybindings for E as it comes "from the factory"
       CTRL+ALT+Home - Re-shuffle windows on screen to be Clean
       CTRL+ALT+Del - Exit Enlightenment and Log Out
       CTRL+ALT+End - Restart Enlightenment
       CTRL+ALT+Up-Arrow - Raise window to top
       CTRL+ALT+Down-Arrow - Lower window to the bottom
       CTRL+ALT+Left-Arrow - Go to the previous desktop
       CTRL+ALT+Right-Arrow - Go to the next desktop
       CTRL+ALT+X - Close the currently focused window
       CTRL+ALT+K - Kill the currently focused window nastily
       CTRL+ALT+I - Iconify the currently focused window
       CTRL+ALT+R - Shade/Unshade the currently focused window
       CTRL+ALT+S - Stick/Unstick the currently focused window
       CTRL+ALT+(F1 - F12) - Go directly to desktops 0 - 11
       ALT+Tab - Switch focus to the next window
       ALT+Enter - Zoom/Unzoom the currently focused window
       SHIFT+ALT+Left-Arrow - Move to the virtual desktop on the left if there is one
       SHIFT+ALT+Right-Arrow - Move to the virtual desktop on the right if there is one
       SHIFT+ALT+Up-Arrow - Move to the virtual desktop above if there is one
       SHIFT+ALT+Down-Arrow - Move to the virtual desktop below if there is one

/greg's brain dribbles out his ear (only his left one as the eardrum is perforated)
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Yeah, but 10s of Trillions of US Dollars?
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Post #235,550
by Another Scott
11/22/05 2:27:46 PM
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New What hardware are you running that on?
One of the old bugaboos about E! was it was very resource-heavy. How's it these days? Are you running it on Barry's Quad Opeteron? ;-)

Thanks.

Cheers,
Scott.
Post #235,551
by pwhysall
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11/22/05 2:32:35 PM
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New Re: What hardware are you running that on?
It was resource-heavy on old P233 boxes with S3 ViRGE graphics cards and 256MB of RAM if you were really lucky.

Today, it's just another WM.

Peter
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Post #235,643
by folkert
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11/23/05 9:37:01 AM
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New Very Lean, comparatively
Xorg is significantly lighter on resource use, while using E!.

Matter of fact Metacity used 25MB and E! only uses 10MB.

Infact, that is with a ton of special fun stuffs enabled.

Xorg went from 200MB of resources IN USE with a tons reserved using Metcity, down to 100MB with E!.

Mind you, I was running Evolution, about 50 terms, VMware(with 768MB allocated), Firefox, GAIM and a crap-shoot of other proggys.

Even @ home it rocks.

Oh, I changed Window Managers with out restarting X or GNOME or even logging out. Everything survived.

The only problem I haven't figured out is registering the config stuff with GNOME, so it works from the "windows" thinger in the gnome-tool-center

Oh, also all key-bindings seem to be controlled by E! now... a bit annoying at first, but very very manageable.
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Post #235,653
by pwhysall
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11/23/05 10:36:06 AM
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New OT: X's reported memory usage means nowt
Every lil' mmap() that uses shared memory is in that total.

Gauging X's performance by the size of its RSS is a fruitless exercise.

Peter
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Post #235,738
by folkert
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11/23/05 6:14:02 PM
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New Yes, I understand that is the case.
But, I m talking about the code and data stack.

Those two mean more than RSS.

But in anycase.
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     Novell/SuSE moving to GNOME as default enterprise desktop - (pwhysall) - (128) - Nov. 10, 2005, 03:03:11 AM EST
         Something tells me the KDE folks forgot to . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - Nov. 10, 2005, 03:33:56 AM EST
         OTOH, SuSE founder and kernel hacker quits. - (Another Scott) - (3) - Nov. 10, 2005, 08:28:50 AM EST
             Heh. - (mmoffitt) - (2) - Nov. 23, 2005, 09:24:45 AM EST
                 OT - any luck - (imric) - (1) - Nov. 23, 2005, 09:34:36 AM EST
                     Oh! - (mmoffitt) - Nov. 23, 2005, 02:49:38 PM EST
         Never! - (ubernostrum) - (112) - Nov. 10, 2005, 11:06:44 AM EST
             Sombody want to whack him with The Sign? -NT - (drewk) - Nov. 10, 2005, 11:36:33 AM EST
             Heh, Gnome. It's still crap. - (imric) - (109) - Nov. 10, 2005, 12:07:09 PM EST
                 I lasted a while this time. - (static) - Nov. 10, 2005, 05:58:41 PM EST
                 It's the apps, stupid. - (pwhysall) - (15) - Nov. 11, 2005, 12:33:34 AM EST
                     That's brilliant! - (cwbrenn) - (4) - Nov. 11, 2005, 09:15:45 AM EST
                         The criticism stands, and is as follows: - (pwhysall) - (3) - Nov. 11, 2005, 09:21:37 AM EST
                             I'm not screaming "freedom..." - (cwbrenn) - (1) - Nov. 11, 2005, 10:19:06 AM EST
                                 I know. - (pwhysall) - Nov. 11, 2005, 10:35:39 AM EST
                             My recollection is similar to BDR's. - (Another Scott) - Nov. 11, 2005, 11:10:59 AM EST
                     That's one of the reasons I keep checking it out. - (imric) - (9) - Nov. 11, 2005, 09:58:58 AM EST
                         Forget usability for a moment. - (pwhysall) - (2) - Nov. 11, 2005, 10:35:26 AM EST
                             EXACT opposite on Mepis - (imric) - Nov. 11, 2005, 10:56:31 AM EST
                             That is my biggest irritation about Linux distros - (ben_tilly) - Nov. 11, 2005, 01:34:34 PM EST
                         Spatial == ass, IMO - (admin) - (5) - Nov. 11, 2005, 11:19:45 AM EST
                             What is "spatial"? - (cwbrenn) - (4) - Nov. 12, 2005, 02:07:20 PM EST
                                 Spatial: each folder gets its own window - (admin) - (3) - Nov. 12, 2005, 02:51:56 PM EST
                                     Spring-loaded folders roxxor. - (pwhysall) - (1) - Nov. 12, 2005, 03:31:09 PM EST
                                         They're patented by Apple. -NT - (altmann) - Nov. 12, 2005, 04:13:42 PM EST
                                     That's one of the reasons why I prefer File Commander. - (Another Scott) - Nov. 12, 2005, 04:18:16 PM EST
                 Nobody's making you use GNOME. - (ubernostrum) - (91) - Nov. 11, 2005, 12:36:58 AM EST
                     ROFL - I know. - (imric) - (2) - Nov. 11, 2005, 07:05:03 AM EST
                         You undermine your own argument. - (ubernostrum) - (1) - Nov. 12, 2005, 12:17:12 AM EST
                             More stuff and nonsense. - (imric) - Nov. 12, 2005, 09:29:55 AM EST
                     Just to let you all know... - (folkert) - (87) - Nov. 11, 2005, 03:59:05 PM EST
                         Damn, I gotta meet somebody like that... - (inthane-chan) - Nov. 11, 2005, 04:13:56 PM EST
                         Greg? - (imric) - (85) - Nov. 11, 2005, 04:25:07 PM EST
                             Really? - (ubernostrum) - (82) - Nov. 12, 2005, 12:19:52 AM EST
                                 Except that KDE actually works. - (imric) - (81) - Nov. 12, 2005, 09:33:18 AM EST
                                     Works so well, in fact... - (pwhysall) - (4) - Nov. 12, 2005, 10:17:36 AM EST
                                         Skip uses Mepis. Mepis isn't dropping KDE. - (Another Scott) - Nov. 12, 2005, 10:49:44 AM EST
                                         Yeah and did you see the uproar from the users at Novell - (imric) - (2) - Nov. 12, 2005, 06:17:35 PM EST
                                             s/users/KDE developers/ -NT - (ubernostrum) - (1) - Nov. 13, 2005, 05:33:24 PM EST
                                                 According to YOU. - (imric) - Nov. 13, 2005, 09:45:56 PM EST
                                     Re: Except that KDE actually works. - (ubernostrum) - (75) - Nov. 13, 2005, 01:08:05 PM EST
                                         Waiting for the ad hominem when you ran out of logic. - (imric) - (74) - Nov. 13, 2005, 05:05:35 PM EST
                                             And yet you don't seem to have any responses. - (ubernostrum) - (73) - Nov. 13, 2005, 05:32:01 PM EST
                                                 ROFL. - (imric) - (72) - Nov. 13, 2005, 09:51:40 PM EST
                                                     Configurability. - (ubernostrum) - (71) - Nov. 14, 2005, 04:43:47 PM EST
                                                         Re: Configurability. - (admin) - (70) - Nov. 14, 2005, 04:54:01 PM EST
                                                             Re: Configurability. - (pwhysall) - Nov. 14, 2005, 05:04:01 PM EST
                                                             Removing options - (ubernostrum) - (68) - Nov. 14, 2005, 05:11:00 PM EST
                                                                 Simpler to use, keeps use focused, reduces errors - (admin) - (67) - Nov. 14, 2005, 05:49:07 PM EST
                                                                     Simple/Complex - (altmann) - (2) - Nov. 14, 2005, 09:05:52 PM EST
                                                                         Re: Simple/Complex - (admin) - (1) - Nov. 14, 2005, 09:13:27 PM EST
                                                                             hey! thats what I do for a living :-) - (boxley) - Nov. 14, 2005, 10:07:42 PM EST
                                                                     When's the last time you looked at Nautilus? - (ubernostrum) - (59) - Nov. 15, 2005, 05:17:56 AM EST
                                                                         And this invalidates my point somehow? - (admin) - (58) - Nov. 15, 2005, 10:15:14 AM EST
                                                                             So which do you want? - (ubernostrum) - (57) - Nov. 15, 2005, 04:16:06 PM EST
                                                                                 That isn't his point. - (folkert) - (56) - Nov. 15, 2005, 05:00:50 PM EST
                                                                                     Re: That isn't his point. - (ubernostrum) - (55) - Nov. 15, 2005, 08:15:53 PM EST
                                                                                         So have we finally come back to GNOME usability? - (static) - (5) - Nov. 15, 2005, 09:15:50 PM EST
                                                                                             ObLRPD. - (Another Scott) - Nov. 16, 2005, 08:00:05 AM EST
                                                                                             You know, it's funny. - (ubernostrum) - (3) - Nov. 16, 2005, 11:01:33 PM EST
                                                                                                 Re: You know, it's funny. - (altmann) - (1) - Nov. 17, 2005, 04:10:38 AM EST
                                                                                                     I find it pretty handy. - (ubernostrum) - Nov. 17, 2005, 06:27:21 PM EST
                                                                                                 I now see why you've been upsetting people in here. - (static) - Nov. 17, 2005, 09:03:35 PM EST
                                                                                         Please... - (folkert) - (48) - Nov. 17, 2005, 09:53:15 AM EST
                                                                                             Please... - (ubernostrum) - (47) - Nov. 17, 2005, 06:31:40 PM EST
                                                                                                 Try at least reading your own posts - (drewk) - (46) - Nov. 18, 2005, 07:20:54 AM EST
                                                                                                     That I did. - (ubernostrum) - (45) - Nov. 18, 2005, 05:33:11 PM EST
                                                                                                         No you're not. You're not wondering at all. - (cwbrenn) - (44) - Nov. 18, 2005, 07:31:40 PM EST
                                                                                                             Whoa, there, cowboy! - (ubernostrum) - (43) - Nov. 19, 2005, 08:24:55 PM EST
                                                                                                                 Points you missed. - (folkert) - (42) - Nov. 21, 2005, 01:50:54 PM EST
                                                                                                                     Re: Points you missed. - (ubernostrum) - (41) - Nov. 21, 2005, 07:53:33 PM EST
                                                                                                                         Last word I will speak to you. - (imric) - (6) - Nov. 21, 2005, 08:33:07 PM EST
                                                                                                                             Re: Last word I will speak to you. - (ubernostrum) - (5) - Nov. 22, 2005, 02:02:42 AM EST
                                                                                                                                 There's this thing called "history". - (admin) - (4) - Nov. 22, 2005, 10:23:02 AM EST
                                                                                                                                     And we know where calumniation leads. - (pwhysall) - Nov. 22, 2005, 10:24:11 AM EST
                                                                                                                                     Ooh, I know this game! - (ubernostrum) - (2) - Nov. 23, 2005, 05:04:31 AM EST
                                                                                                                                         Since you asked. - (admin) - (1) - Nov. 23, 2005, 08:00:27 AM EST
                                                                                                                                             Let's try it again then. (new thread) - (ubernostrum) - Nov. 24, 2005, 09:13:04 AM EST
                                                                                                                         Actually, dung-for-brains, you didn't. (new thread) - (static) - Nov. 21, 2005, 09:22:31 PM EST
                                                                                                                         I really haven't paid much attention here - (bepatient) - (15) - Nov. 21, 2005, 09:46:38 PM EST
                                                                                                                             Re: I really haven't paid much attention here - (ubernostrum) - (14) - Nov. 22, 2005, 01:50:28 AM EST
                                                                                                                                 Hmm - (bepatient) - (13) - Nov. 22, 2005, 02:08:15 AM EST
                                                                                                                                     A couple things - (ubernostrum) - (12) - Nov. 22, 2005, 02:44:16 AM EST
                                                                                                                                         Nits - (bepatient) - (11) - Nov. 22, 2005, 09:06:33 AM EST
                                                                                                                                             I never got it with Warp. - (pwhysall) - (4) - Nov. 22, 2005, 09:08:47 AM EST
                                                                                                                                                 It wasn't pretty, granted - (bepatient) - (3) - Nov. 22, 2005, 09:32:11 AM EST
                                                                                                                                                     And, it could be made quite pretty - (jake123) - (2) - Nov. 22, 2005, 09:40:28 AM EST
                                                                                                                                                         I thought its font handling was spectacularly awful. - (pwhysall) - (1) - Nov. 22, 2005, 09:44:15 AM EST
                                                                                                                                                             The early iterations of the TT handling _were_ awful - (jake123) - Nov. 22, 2005, 11:37:19 AM EST
                                                                                                                                             Re: Nits - (ubernostrum) - (2) - Nov. 22, 2005, 09:40:19 AM EST
                                                                                                                                                 OT: Please don't put things in quotes unless you're quoting - (Another Scott) - (1) - Nov. 22, 2005, 09:59:33 AM EST
                                                                                                                                                     When I quote - (ubernostrum) - Nov. 23, 2005, 04:12:32 AM EST
                                                                                                                                             He seems to be listening to you. - (static) - (2) - Nov. 22, 2005, 08:04:37 PM EST
                                                                                                                                                 Well. - (ubernostrum) - (1) - Nov. 24, 2005, 09:15:15 AM EST
                                                                                                                                                     Do you blame me for losing my temper? (new thread) - (static) - Nov. 24, 2005, 07:02:05 PM EST
                                                                                                                         Perhaps I see the problem. - (Another Scott) - (15) - Nov. 21, 2005, 09:57:05 PM EST
                                                                                                                             It feels like this essay might be appropriate here - (broomberg) - (2) - Nov. 21, 2005, 10:47:34 PM EST
                                                                                                                                 That's good. +5 Informative. -NT - (static) - Nov. 22, 2005, 12:53:51 AM EST
                                                                                                                                 Actually. - (ubernostrum) - Nov. 22, 2005, 02:12:52 AM EST
                                                                                                                             I agree with on this one, - (Moriarty) - Nov. 21, 2005, 10:55:52 PM EST
                                                                                                                             Actually. - (ubernostrum) - (10) - Nov. 22, 2005, 02:09:44 AM EST
                                                                                                                                 The parent to this post summarizes the stymie perfectly. - (folkert) - Nov. 22, 2005, 09:20:57 AM EST
                                                                                                                                 "Enlightenment by choice" - (broomberg) - (2) - Nov. 22, 2005, 10:48:59 AM EST
                                                                                                                                     The WM is only one aspect of the environment, Barry. -NT - (pwhysall) - Nov. 22, 2005, 11:46:43 AM EST
                                                                                                                                     To me, it's a simple dichotomy. - (ubernostrum) - Nov. 24, 2005, 09:21:44 AM EST
                                                                                                                                 WEEEEEE! (Great gallopin' goshes) - (folkert) - (5) - Nov. 22, 2005, 01:23:47 PM EST
                                                                                                                                     What hardware are you running that on? - (Another Scott) - (4) - Nov. 22, 2005, 02:27:46 PM EST
                                                                                                                                         Re: What hardware are you running that on? - (pwhysall) - Nov. 22, 2005, 02:32:35 PM EST
                                                                                                                                         Very Lean, comparatively - (folkert) - (2) - Nov. 23, 2005, 09:37:01 AM EST
                                                                                                                                             OT: X's reported memory usage means nowt - (pwhysall) - (1) - Nov. 23, 2005, 10:36:06 AM EST
                                                                                                                                                 Yes, I understand that is the case. - (folkert) - Nov. 23, 2005, 06:14:02 PM EST
                                                                                                                         Points mangled too, though? - (Ashton) - Nov. 21, 2005, 11:10:27 PM EST
                                                                     And regarding "focus" - (ubernostrum) - (3) - Nov. 15, 2005, 05:26:12 AM EST
                                                                         Then explain how configurability causes lack of focus. - (admin) - (2) - Nov. 15, 2005, 10:18:33 AM EST
                                                                             Again. - (ubernostrum) - (1) - Nov. 15, 2005, 04:24:46 PM EST
                                                                                 You sure about the JFK bit? I got doubts... -NT - (hnick) - Nov. 15, 2005, 04:40:59 PM EST
                             Yeah... I know. - (folkert) - (1) - Nov. 12, 2005, 01:46:27 AM EST
                                 *smile* - (imric) - Nov. 12, 2005, 09:34:59 AM EST
             Thats why I choose "none of the above" - (bepatient) - Nov. 10, 2005, 08:57:18 PM EST
         Gnomes are so cute! I love that Travelocity guy! :0) -NT - (imqwerky) - (2) - Nov. 10, 2005, 09:21:19 PM EST
             IFS -NT - (Silverlock) - (1) - Nov. 11, 2005, 09:23:45 AM EST
                 And you flushed me for saying Gnomes are cute. :-P -NT - (imqwerky) - Nov. 23, 2005, 11:37:00 PM EST
         Well, wasn't that fun? - (pwhysall) - (6) - Nov. 23, 2005, 08:05:35 AM EST
             Go away, this is good clean fun. - (admin) - (5) - Nov. 23, 2005, 08:14:17 AM EST
                 Mind where you're waving that thing. - (pwhysall) - (4) - Nov. 23, 2005, 08:20:03 AM EST
                     Well... - (admin) - (3) - Nov. 23, 2005, 08:58:58 AM EST
                         That wasn't my sister... - (pwhysall) - (2) - Nov. 23, 2005, 10:37:21 AM EST
                             I wouldn't have made that mistake - (admin) - (1) - Nov. 23, 2005, 05:18:00 PM EST
                                 With *your* eyes? Puleeze. -NT - (pwhysall) - Nov. 23, 2005, 05:28:19 PM EST

It looks like food.
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