Post #234,509
11/16/05 3:36:56 PM
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I'm about to do the unthinkable.
I'm about to propose a migration from LDAP/Novell to Active Directory. We're running an older Novell version (5?) and the political will to pay to update it to a newer version is Just Not There, at least not at this time.
We have ~1k machines on campus, running 2000 or XP depending on the age of the box. Current software install procedure is to run to each computer manually and install the software. Microsoft has a passable software management product included with AD that, while far from perfect, is miles above what we have now, and could be implemented without any additional funds as we already have the servers and licenses.
I don't see another way out of this right now, and by doing this for now, we can free up the resources to move SAMBA in (which as near as I can tell, doesn't support 200/XP style group policy, only NT 4.0 GP) and eventually roll out some Linux desktops.
If anybody has any better suggestions that don't involve spending money, I'm all ears.
When somebody asks you to trade your freedom for security, it isn't your security they're talking about.
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Post #234,516
11/16/05 3:44:17 PM
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VNC instead of running around manually
mickeysoft remote updates are gnarley
thanx,
bill
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Post #234,518
11/16/05 3:48:51 PM
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VNC doesn't solve the issue.
I've done AD-based MSI rollouts without a hitch for years. Updating 1000 computers every three months is a bitch, whether it be direct or via VNC.
When somebody asks you to trade your freedom for security, it isn't your security they're talking about.
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Post #234,525
11/16/05 3:56:32 PM
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forgot your windows experience, makes sense to move to AD
"the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli
Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep
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Post #234,538
11/16/05 4:40:07 PM
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What is the included tool?
We are using are full blown installation of SMS for which I have no idea of the cost but it seems to work quite well.
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Post #234,568
11/16/05 7:06:45 PM
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MSI packages combined with Group Policy via AD.
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Post #234,556
11/16/05 5:33:18 PM
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Ignorant question
If it's a Novell network, can't you use Zen? Unless I'm misunderstanding the issue.
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Post #234,567
11/16/05 7:06:12 PM
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Zen is not included in the package we bought.
Currently, there is no political will to spend $ on just about anything.
When somebody asks you to trade your freedom for security, it isn't your security they're talking about.
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Post #234,605
11/16/05 9:38:01 PM
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Spend it now, or spend it later
Active Directory increases lockin and will result in more money spent down the road.
I'm sure you know that, but repeating it might not be a bad thing.
Cheers,
Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
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Post #234,616
11/16/05 11:05:11 PM
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What. He. Said.
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No new taxes.
--George H. W. Bush
We don't torture.
--George W. Bush
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Post #234,623
11/17/05 12:31:10 AM
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Believe me, I Agree.
The question isn't "do I think this is a bad idea" - It's "Do I use what we have, or nothing at all?"
When somebody asks you to trade your freedom for security, it isn't your security they're talking about.
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