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New Re: And how many people is that going to apply to?
Well, that may be true, but knowing what to do if that's the case can certainly help one's confidence a great deal any time one has to give first aid, whether help is close to hand or not.

Also, I've been in the situation many times, though without incident. That situation is actually a fairly common one where I come from, though with the growing spread of wireless communications, much less so than it used to be. Let's say you're on the TransCanadian between Thunder Bay and Kenora, or going up to Timmins; no cell phone, most people up there don't have sat phones. You just have to know what to do. Canoe trips are but one way one can find oneself out of reach of telecom systems in Canada; the land is vast and very thinly populated.

Another Scott: about the satellite phone: where you going to charge it up? My longest trip was just shy of two weeks. There was certainly no fear about going out on long trips like that without comm tech when I was young, and I can't see why one would necessarily need it now. Far more important is the knowledge of how to deal with the situation; when do we try to move them to help? When do we send out a fast canoe (this refers to the people in it, not the canoe itself) to bring help here? How do we maximise the chances of making the trip with the injured party, or how do we do our utmost to keep them alive while waiting for help to arrive? What does one need to take to maximise speed on the two to three day trek out that's required from the deepest parts of the Algonquin, Killarney, or Temagami regions without unduly risking the people making the race?

It's not the same here as it is there. If you have the knowledge on handling things like burns under these conditions, then scalding yourself with hot spaghetti sauce is going to be easy to handle without panic while minimising harm and danger to oneself.
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New Good points.
Yes, there are limitations in communications even with satellite phones and even though they're not tremendously expensive, they aren't cheap and are outside the financial resources of the vast majority of people who might be out in the woods or away from cell phone towers. You're right that one should know what to do in emergencies even if there is technology to help. As we've discussed here before, advanced technology breaks while things like pencil and paper and sextants are much less fragile.

But it does help to be prepared. That means knowing how to give yourself first aid, but also taking reasonable preparations to allow communications in an emergency, letting people know where you're going and when, etc., when possible when traveling.

If I were that far from civilization, it would be on a vacation. Part of my planning would be making sure I knew what to do in an emergency and seriously thinking about having a sat phone (with lots of extra batteries and/or a [link|http://www.haimei.com/mobile_phone_accessory/manual_charger.htm|crank powered charger]).

Cheers,
Scott.
     Just when I thought I was having a good day! - (Nightowl) - (48)
         Er, that's a "nice lunch"? - (admin) - (20)
             Translate for the brit, please. - (pwhysall) - (15)
                 Pseudo-Italian crapasta in a can - (admin) - (13)
                     Gotcha - (pwhysall) - (12)
                         Re: Gotcha - (Nightowl)
                         Leek and potato soup for me. -NT - (admin)
                         Translate for Yanquis please: - (jb4) - (9)
                             s /rashers/stones HTH. -NT - (Another Scott) - (2)
                                 :-\ufffd - (jb4) - (1)
                                     I thought it was rather clever, but then I'm easily amused. -NT - (Another Scott)
                             two slices of bacon or sidemeat -NT - (boxley)
                             Like it says in your dictionaries: - (pwhysall)
                             You don't call them rashers? Wow. Consider me duly educated. -NT - (Meerkat) - (2)
                                 Attrition, I'd think - (Ashton)
                                 Yeah...here we call them "slices" -- HTH! - (jb4)
                             Whenever we go to the Original Pancake House - (imqwerky)
                 It is famous as the very definition of . . . - (Andrew Grygus)
             Sure... - (Nightowl) - (1)
                 Try this: (new thread) - (admin)
             That's nothing - (bionerd) - (1)
                 Vegetable soup > Chef Boyardee -NT - (admin)
         Who invented Venetian Blinds?? - (Nightowl) - (21)
             A small tribe indigenous to the coast of Italy... -NT - (admin)
             Venetians, funnily enough. -NT - (pwhysall)
             I just take mine down (takes just a moment) . . . - (Andrew Grygus)
             Burned skin burns, yes. - (static) - (17)
                 Okay - (Nightowl) - (16)
                     Burn treatment - (jake123) - (15)
                         Thanks - (Nightowl)
                         bush burn, cooled teabag and willow or alder leaves on wound -NT - (boxley) - (13)
                             IMMEDIATELY and BEFORE ANYTHING ELSE - (pwhysall) - (12)
                                 First thing I did. Must have worked wonders. :) - (Nightowl)
                                 Right after removing the source of the burn. -NT - (Steve Lowe) - (2)
                                     Well, yes... - (pwhysall) - (1)
                                         Well, in my case - (Nightowl)
                                 nearest stream might be miles away -NT - (boxley) - (7)
                                     Yeah, exactly - (jake123) - (6)
                                         These days if you're that far out you prob want a sat phone. - (Another Scott)
                                         And how many people is that going to apply to? - (pwhysall) - (4)
                                             Re: And how many people is that going to apply to? - (jake123) - (1)
                                                 Good points. - (Another Scott)
                                             More than you'd think - (drewk) - (1)
                                                 Yeah, and up here is even bigger, and a tenth of the people - (jake123)
         A real mess is knocking over a bottle of wine - (lister) - (4)
             Sounds like fun -- NOT! - (Nightowl) - (2)
                 ICLRPD - (jake123) - (1)
                     Argh, and ICLRPD (new thread) - (jake123)
             Try this - - (Ashton)

It was April the 41st. Being a quadruple leapyear, I was driving in downtown Atlantis. My Barracuda was in the shop, so I was in a rented Stingray... and it was overheating.
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