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New Q: If Gore was Pres, would the towers still stand?
Maybe. They tried to hijack aircraft out of LAX 12/31/1999 (under Clinton) but were stopped. And, let's not forget that Dubya didn't know the General's name in Pakistan during that infamous interview during the campaign.

Illuminating reading for those who maintain a "Left bias" in the corporate McNews we hear/see/listen to in the States.

[link|http://www.guerrillanews.com/counter_intelligence/doc233.html|http://www.guerrill.../doc233.html]

bcnu,
Mikem
New In a word, no.
Because they had planned it for years, and security was lax. If Gore somehow was able to tighten security it may not have happened. But who really knew it would happen anyway? If they got some agents into their group and found out about it, then it could have been prevented. But since our government didn't know about it, nothing could have been done to prevent it.

After Sept 11th, security got beefed up and not as lax as it used to be.

"Before Christmas it is 'Ho ho ho', after Christmas it is 'Owe owe owe'" - Santa Norm
New In a few words.
The fact the Dubya was appointed President clearly aided the terrorists.

"We obtained documents from inside the FBI showing that investigations had been shut down on the bin Laden family, the royal family of Saudi Arabia - and that is big because there are 20,000 princes in the royal family - and their connections to the financing of terrorism."

Shutting down investigations of probable hostiles clearly contributes to an increased likelihood of terrorist attack.

Perhaps we "didn't know about it" because we "didn't want to".
New We didn't know about it because we didn't want to?
[link|http://www.nypost.com/postopinion/opedcolumnists/37452.htm|I concur, and do does this disgrunteld ex-employee.]

[link|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html|http://www.angelfir...e/index.html]
Sometimes "tolerance" is just a word for not dealing with things.
New The Sergeant Schultz Syndrome
"I saw nothing, I know nothing!"

It seems that in this case that not cracking down on the terrorists may have led to them pulling off this stunt?

Should we then impeace Bush for allowing this attack to happen by cutting back on Terrorism Watching?

"Before Christmas it is 'Ho ho ho', after Christmas it is 'Owe owe owe'" - Santa Norm
New Morris?
That's the best you can do?
New How well do I have to do?
I chose Morris for the irony, not to prove a point. I don't need to prove the point - it's already self-evident beyond reasonable dispute. It's am matter of historical record, and no amount of spin control will change that.
[link|http://www.angelfire.com/ca3/marlowe/index.html|http://www.angelfir...e/index.html]
Sometimes "tolerance" is just a word for not dealing with things.
New I want what your taking!
No, the fact that Dubya was "appointed" did not aid the terrorists.

A complete lack of preparedness (historically) allowed this to happen. It had been planned over years.

Gore would have done nothing that would have changed this. There was no plan in place for improvement of security at airports. None. Noone was talking about it...until after. No talk of changing INS procedures. Again...nothing until after.

You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! Laurie Anderson

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New Missed Point, I think.
The question is whether or not Gore would have order Intel to stand down on the Saudis, and if not, would that have lead to intel that could have prevented the attack much the same way as the planned LAX hijackings were avoided when Gore was VP.
New Bush Advisers Cashed In on Saudi Gravy Train.
[link|http://commondreams.org/headlines01/1210-04.htm|http://commondreams.../1210-04.htm]

Have a nice day.
New Even taking that at face value
the phrase "one thing at a time" occurs.

I've said it before: we (the U.S.) could build a wall around Saudi Arabia and be out nothing we really need -- any oil shortfall could be made up elsewhere, especially now that the Russians are anxious to get their hands on a bit of hard currency. The ones who'd be hurting in any such arrangement would be the Europeans and (especially) the Japanese. Even so, we send them a lot of money -- not as much as some suppose, but still gigantic amounts -- and I see no reason whatever not to find ways to get some of it back.

If there are ways to correct the situation without disturbing the precarious balance there, I'm all for finding them if possible. There may not be, but let's have one bloodbath at a time, OK? And if financial interests among the politicians cause them to be a bit less anxious to just bomb everything and have done with it, so much the better.

One thing not often mentioned: the funds to pay for both social programs and military adventures have come from deficit spending, and that can't be supported without an active bond market. Much of the money that goes to SA (and the Middle Eastern oil producers in general) comes back here, in U.S. Bond purchases; the financial people refer to it as "recycling". I don't know how much of the U.S. debt is held over there, but I'd suspect a lot. If Saudi Arabia is destabilized completely, a significant portion of the bond purchasing power goes away, which would tend to have hard repercussions on currency stability and our ability to fund all sorts of things. There's more than one way in which financial interests get intertwined; a Democratic government wanting to expand social programs might be just as cautious, lest the funding go away overnight.

So let the folks be cautious and deliberate, OK? Some nasty stuff going on there. It may not be in our best interests to open all the cans of worms at once.
Regards,
Ric
     Q: If Gore was Pres, would the towers still stand? - (mmoffitt) - (10)
         In a word, no. - (nking) - (9)
             In a few words. - (mmoffitt) - (8)
                 We didn't know about it because we didn't want to? - (marlowe) - (3)
                     The Sergeant Schultz Syndrome - (nking)
                     Morris? - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                         How well do I have to do? - (marlowe)
                 I want what your taking! - (bepatient) - (3)
                     Missed Point, I think. - (mmoffitt)
                     Bush Advisers Cashed In on Saudi Gravy Train. - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                         Even taking that at face value - (Ric Locke)

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