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New Actual Timelines
One from the left and one from the right - they look pretty close and dispel much of the BS coming from the white(wash) house.

[link|http://www.thinkprogress.org/katrina-timeline|http://www.thinkprog.../katrina-timeline]

[link|http://rightwingnuthouse.com/archives/2005/09/04/katrina-response-timeline/|http://rightwingnuth...esponse-timeline/]



"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect"   --Mark Twain

"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them."   --Albert Einstein

"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses."   --George W. Bush
Expand Edited by tuberculosis Aug. 21, 2007, 12:40:52 PM EDT
New Thanks.
New Good links. Thanks.
Forwarded to all the dolts I've been hearing from.
bcnu,
Mikem

It would seem, therefore, that the three human impulses embodied in religion are fear, conceit, and hatred. The purpose of religion, one might say, is to give an air of respectibility to these passions. -- Bertrand Russell
New Major difference
the right wing one didn't include the outrage of citizens when DOS leader Condi bought shoes in NY.

Need those side forays for accuracy ;-)
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition

[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
New Important to illustrate cabinet members priorities
Don'tcha think?

Least I give you multiple perspectives. There are a lot of these timelines being compiled BTW. Lots of people are wise to the rovian strategy of "blame the victims and their local leaders". BS statements like "the governor was late authorizing action" gotta die.



"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect"   --Mark Twain

"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them."   --Albert Einstein

"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses."   --George W. Bush
Expand Edited by tuberculosis Aug. 21, 2007, 12:44:10 PM EDT
New As opposed to the current spate
here which seems to absolve state and local entirely.

Everybody had a hand in screwing this up.

If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition

[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
New That's true
You must have missed all those posts where we have already agreed to that. Or maybe you don't want to see them?
-----------------------------------------
George W. Bush and his PNAC handlers sent the US into Iraq with lies. I find myself rethinking my opposition to the death penalty.

--Donald Dean Richards Jr.
New Tone and tenor
I've seen them. Still quite alot of absolution going to the locals, though. Noone should get a free ride.

And should the Gretna cop story be true, I'd like to see lynching revisited.

If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition

[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
New I guess the reason I focus so much on the fed is . . .
The one agency whose only purpose is large scale emergency management is the one that seemed to handle the crisis the worst. Couple that with the all out attempt to blame it all on the locals (while loudly decrying any criticsim of themselves as a blame game) and Bush's reluctance to cut his vacation short; well my ire is at least understandable I hope.
-----------------------------------------
George W. Bush and his PNAC handlers sent the US into Iraq with lies. I find myself rethinking my opposition to the death penalty.

--Donald Dean Richards Jr.
New No, it's not understandable.
We're at WAR for Chrissakes. You can't criticize the President when we're at WAR! Whatsamatta wit ya?
bcnu,
Mikem

It would seem, therefore, that the three human impulses embodied in religion are fear, conceit, and hatred. The purpose of religion, one might say, is to give an air of respectibility to these passions. -- Bertrand Russell
New Right.
On vacation.

All the timelines have him in SD or some other place...he just happens to be basing his travel from TX and that means he's on vacation.

Somehow I think our term "vacation" means something different that what the President actually gets to take...but thats only my opinion.

But, I understand the sentiments and I also know there is failed responsibility by the federal government.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition

[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
New I Imagine he completes the same amount of work at either
location, I would prefer working from home myself if work was downtown DC
thanx,
bill
"the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli

Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep
questions, help? [link|mailto:pappas@catholic.org|email pappas at catholic.org]
New nice nuance there box ;-)
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition

[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
New "Now, watch this drive." Ring any bells?
Course not. You're the consumate apologist...
bcnu,
Mikem

It would seem, therefore, that the three human impulses embodied in religion are fear, conceit, and hatred. The purpose of religion, one might say, is to give an air of respectibility to these passions. -- Bertrand Russell
New Oooh
Mike Moore footage.

No serious questions while on vacation.

That one?
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition

[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
New Nice try at re-writing history, again.
You on Rove's payroll yet? You should be.

Moore wasn't there. The questions were being posed by the press corps during one of this President's many vacations. I saw that first on a news outlet, CBS iirc. Here's how the Washington Post reported it (since you are obviously Rove impaired).

KENNEBUNKPORT, Maine, Aug. 4 -- It's a ritual when President Bush golfs: As he gets ready to tee off, reporters toss out a few questions about the news of the day from their perches on a nearby sand trap. This morning, Bush wasn't waiting. He sprang from his golf cart at 6:15 a.m. and said he was "distressed to hear about the latest suicide bombers in Israel."

Just over four hours before, as Bush slept at his parents' seaside retreat, a Palestinian suicide bomber blew up a bus in Israel, killing nine passengers.

Bush, wearing khakis and a knit shirt, was holding a driver in his gloved left hand. The rest of his foursome, including his father, former president George H.W. Bush, was waiting. However incongruous the setting, the president plunged ahead. "There are a few killers who want to stop the peace process that we have started, and we must not let them," he said. "I call upon all nations to do everything they can to stop these terrorist killers."

His business out of the way, Bush barely paused for breath before saying, "Thank you. Now watch this drive."


[link|http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A43789-2002Aug4?language=printer|http://www.washingto...?language=printer]


(And on the vacationing President Emphasis Mine.)
According to an August 2003 article in the Washington Post, President Bush has spent all or part of 166 days during his presidency at his Crawford, Texas, ranch or en route. Add the time spent at or en route to the presidential retreat of Camp David and at the Bush family estate in Kennebunkport, Maine, and Bush has taken 250 days off as of August 2003. That's 27% of his presidency spent on vacation. Although to be fair, much of this time is classified as a "working vacation."

Bush isn't the first president to get away from his work. George Bush Sr. took all or part of 543 vacation days at Camp David and in Kennebunkport. Ronald Reagan spent 335 days at or en route to his Santa Barbara, California, ranch during his eight years in office. Of recent presidents, Jimmy Carter took the least days off -- only 79 days, which he usually spent at his home in Georgia. That's less than three weeks a year, which is closer to the average American's paid time off of 13 days per year.


[link|http://ask.yahoo.com/ask/20031001.html|http://ask.yahoo.com/ask/20031001.html]

I'd say "Thanks for playing" but your unending propagandist support (that polite enough for "lying"?) is getting tired.
bcnu,
Mikem

It would seem, therefore, that the three human impulses embodied in religion are fear, conceit, and hatred. The purpose of religion, one might say, is to give an air of respectibility to these passions. -- Bertrand Russell
New Yeah...but wasn't that
included in a film somewhere?

I've seen it before is my point. I ain't rewriting anything.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition

[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
New Funny how they keep throwing Rove in there, isn't it?
Darrell Spice, Jr.                      [link|http://spiceware.org/gallery/ArtisticOverpass|Artistic Overpass]\n[link|http://www.spiceware.org/|SpiceWare] - We don't do Windows, it's too much of a chore
New He seems to be the master of all things
it is interesting, to say the least.

noone can possibly think differently lest they be brainwashed by the mighty Karl.

Keep waiting for my check to come...its always just "in the mail".
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition

[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
New Chief Minister of Propaganda, Anyhow



"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect"   --Mark Twain

"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them."   --Albert Einstein

"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses."   --George W. Bush
New smacks of "PC" around here
Darrell Spice, Jr.                      [link|http://spiceware.org/gallery/ArtisticOverpass|Artistic Overpass]\n[link|http://www.spiceware.org/|SpiceWare] - We don't do Windows, it's too much of a chore
New Honest reporting != PC. HTH.
bcnu,
Mikem

It would seem, therefore, that the three human impulses embodied in religion are fear, conceit, and hatred. The purpose of religion, one might say, is to give an air of respectibility to these passions. -- Bertrand Russell
New explain this thread then
[link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=223617|Post #223617]
From the article
On July 24, The (New Orleans) Times-Picayune reported
is the Times-Picayune working for Rove? The same Times-Picayune that [link|http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/09/04/times.picayune.editorial/|blasts federal response]? Sure doesn't look that way to me. Yet after waving the magic word Rove, the thread dies.
Darrell Spice, Jr.                      [link|http://spiceware.org/gallery/ArtisticOverpass|Artistic Overpass]\n[link|http://www.spiceware.org/|SpiceWare] - We don't do Windows, it's too much of a chore
New Switch topics entirely, nice job of misdirection.
bcnu,
Mikem

It would seem, therefore, that the three human impulses embodied in religion are fear, conceit, and hatred. The purpose of religion, one might say, is to give an air of respectibility to these passions. -- Bertrand Russell
New You're the one that brought up Rove
You on Rove's payroll yet?
Darrell Spice, Jr.                      [link|http://spiceware.org/gallery/ArtisticOverpass|Artistic Overpass]\n[link|http://www.spiceware.org/|SpiceWare] - We don't do Windows, it's too much of a chore
New Context is everything.
The points being discussed were: a) What His Moroness does on vacation and b) how often he's on vacation.
bcnu,
Mikem

It would seem, therefore, that the three human impulses embodied in religion are fear, conceit, and hatred. The purpose of religion, one might say, is to give an air of respectibility to these passions. -- Bertrand Russell
New Yeah, right
What I'm seeing is it's fair game to throw "The Rove Card" into the mix when you disagree with others, but not fair for others to question use of "The Rove Card" when they disagree with you.
Darrell Spice, Jr.                      [link|http://spiceware.org/gallery/ArtisticOverpass|Artistic Overpass]\n[link|http://www.spiceware.org/|SpiceWare] - We don't do Windows, it's too much of a chore
New And I thought you were playing along at home.
"The Rove Card" is appropriately distributed any time an event or statements are horked up beyond any semblance to the actual event or statements. Got it?
bcnu,
Mikem

It would seem, therefore, that the three human impulses embodied in religion are fear, conceit, and hatred. The purpose of religion, one might say, is to give an air of respectibility to these passions. -- Bertrand Russell
New ROFLMAO
Good one, Mike!
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition

[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
New that gnawing feeling on your right butt cheek
no idea what is is, huh.
thanx,
bill
"the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli

Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep
questions, help? [link|mailto:pappas@catholic.org|email pappas at catholic.org]
New You mean, he lied to YOU, too?!? ;-)
jb4
shrub●bish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT

New Funny how they keep throwing Monica in there, isn't it?
Ring a bell?
jb4
shrub●bish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT

New We know he did Monica
do you have proof of Rove working for The Times Picayune?
Darrell Spice, Jr.                      [link|http://spiceware.org/gallery/ArtisticOverpass|Artistic Overpass]\n[link|http://www.spiceware.org/|SpiceWare] - We don't do Windows, it's too much of a chore
New No, but I probably can find him working **against** it.
jb4
shrub●bish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT

New So Todd's working for Rove now?
He seems to be "working against" one of their articles.
Darrell Spice, Jr.                      [link|http://spiceware.org/gallery/ArtisticOverpass|Artistic Overpass]\n[link|http://www.spiceware.org/|SpiceWare] - We don't do Windows, it's too much of a chore
Expand Edited by SpiceWare Sept. 12, 2005, 10:36:50 AM EDT
New Swing. Miss.
I see you have been paying attention to the rhetorical perturbances of BeeP, Rove, et al
jb4
shrub●bish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT

New Not mine?
I believe the other Bill got his bell rung by Monica.

Thank you...I'm here all week.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition

[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
New :-)
bcnu,
Mikem

It would seem, therefore, that the three human impulses embodied in religion are fear, conceit, and hatred. The purpose of religion, one might say, is to give an air of respectibility to these passions. -- Bertrand Russell
New Yes, "on vacation"
You know, the term used by every media outlet on the planet when they were talking about what it was that was cut short by 2 days. A "working" vacation is still a vacation no matter how many fund raisers he went to.
Bush cut short his working vacation in Texas by two days to fly over the devastated region.
(emphasis added)
[link|http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9132021/|link]

Do you need a magnifying glass for the nits you pick?
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George W. Bush and his PNAC handlers sent the US into Iraq with lies. I find myself rethinking my opposition to the death penalty.

--Donald Dean Richards Jr.
New Such as this one
The only response to [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=223617|Post #223617] sure seems to absolve Mr. Mayor for abandoning his people.
Darrell Spice, Jr.                      [link|http://spiceware.org/gallery/ArtisticOverpass|Artistic Overpass]\n[link|http://www.spiceware.org/|SpiceWare] - We don't do Windows, it's too much of a chore
New Yes everybody screwed up
but the Feds have all the practice.

9/11 exposed a problem in command, control, and coordination among the different emergency services. Department of Homeland Security was explicitly formed to fix that problem.

Since then multiple drills and simulations have been run including the mock hurricane Pam and project IMPACT.

Both of these exposed the same problems.

5 mother fucking years later we still have a problem in command, control and coordination among the different emergency services.

Of the 3 screwups - local, state and federal - only one of them has both the actual experience with the problem and the explicit responsibility to solve that problem and it failed miserably. Furthermore, disaster response was pretty much the keystone of the republican platform - its why they got the job. So they'd better fucking do it.

That's what has me and many others pissed off.



"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect"   --Mark Twain

"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them."   --Albert Einstein

"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses."   --George W. Bush
New Here's what the Texas Catholic has to say.
And, not surprisingly, most Catholics voted for Bush. I'd say the bloom is definitely off the rose for GWB with most repubs.

[link|http://www.texascatholic.com/default.asp?IsDev=False&NodeId=928|http://www.texascath...=False&NodeId=928]



TOTAL FAILURE:
The State of Leadership In This Country

9-09-05

WHEN ONE first looked at the devastating impact of Hurricane Katrina on Louisiana, Mississippi and Alabama, it seemed like a natural disaster of biblical proportions that no one could have predicted or prevented.

But, as the drama unfolded in CNN\ufffds outstanding minute-by-minute coverage, the reality that looms ever larger in our minds is that the state of leadership in this country is a total failure. The vital needs of the American people in this tragedy and in other woes facing the nation have not been met in Washington and state capitols.

Louisiana\ufffds largest newspaper, The Times\ufffdPicayune publishing from a web site, said editorially Aug. 4 in an open letter to President George W. Bush, \ufffd\ufffdour nation\ufffds bureaucrats spent days after last week\ufffds hurricane wringing their hands, lamenting the fact that they could neither rescue the city\ufffds stranded victims nor bring them food, water and medical supplies.\ufffd

The reality of national leadership failures now looms larger than the glimpses that we have seen since terrorists crashed into the World Trade Center and the Pentagon three years ago on Sept. 11 and our country\ufffds entire intelligence apparatus failed to prevent any part of it despite information available at lower levels.

The reality of Iraq is more evident today and, if anyone fails to understand why there was chaos and looting for weeks after the American invasion or fails to understand why the violence there continues to grow, let them look at leadership failures in New Orleans.

If anyone does not understand what man-made environmental dangers are and the consequences of them, let them watch as a great American city is turned into a ghostly image on television screens.

If there is anyone in this nation who does not understand what rising poverty rates, declining health care coverage or growing inequity between rich and poor means, let them look at our Southland.

If anyone wants to make an assessment of leadership, let them look at record-high energy costs, the national deficit, trade imbalances, sluggish economy, growing inflation, increasing illegal immigration, deteriorating infrastructure of most American cities and declining public schools.

While the federal government has been playing games with color codes at Homeland Security, appointing ineffective political cronies at the Federal Emergency Management Agency, checking library records at the Federal Bureau of Investigation and shipping poorly equipped state militias to Iraq at the Pentagon, many more fateful events lurked in the shadows of ill-begotten decisions.

When there is poor leadership at the top of the nation, it often sinks to the local levels, in our state governments and in our corporations.

Why else has Halliburton been investigated for price gouging in Iraq and the gasoline in the ground in America suddenly goes over $3 per gallon two days after Katrina? Why else do legislatures and governors fail, as they have in Texas, to address major issues like education and equitable taxation? Why else are there investigations of school board and city council members for misuse of federal funds? Corruption and incompetence seem to be rising in all levels of government.

There was no joy on Labor Day for millions of Americans who have to work longer hours, including this holiday, at lower pay with little or no benefits. The growth of good jobs is not keeping up with needs or the rising cost of living for most Americans.

Time will bring needed change as concerned citizens grow more aware and more alarmed, but before corrective political action can be taken apparently many people will have to suffer.

\ufffdBLH


Where is Peace?
Amy

Pray for the survivors of Katrina.
New Peter and Pall
We're all familiar with the [link|http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Principle|Peter principle]: "In a Hierarchy Every Employee Tends to Rise to His Level of Incompetence."

Contributor David Lettvin had a [link|http://tabletalk.salon.com/webx?13@@.596c4f56/8477|beautiful addition to this] on one of Salon's TableTalk forums back in June:
I actually subscribe to the notion that every employee sinks to his superior's level of incompetence.

Call it "The Pall Principle".
Have whatever values you have. That's what America is for.
You don't need George Bush for that.
New Unfortunately, those two mean no Merry :-(
jb4
shrub●bish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT

New TCFW
too clever for words!

/me likes!

Peace,
Amy

Pray for the survivors of Katrina.
New Great summing-up. Thanx Amy, you - -
Shameless Hussy, you.

(D'ya thunk that just maybe..? fewer folks in your parts are goin around sayin 'bout Our Prexy) ~~
He Be sooo ... Masterful!

Hey.. we must Believe!

..that even lemmings can learn, once the casualty-count pile is at eye level?

New Surprisingly
The Texas Catholic has finally taken a harsher stance of late. There is another equally good article on how morally wrong the poverty level is in this country and in the State of Texas. Bronson Havard, the editor, used to toot GWB's horn. Seems that he has seen the "thousand points of light"...and he don't like it!

At last, someone (especially in Texas) is declaring that the Emperor has no clothes.

Piece of humble crow pie, anybody?
Amy

Pray for the survivors of Katrina.
New The Right also didn't quote Bush....
"I don\ufffdt think anybody anticipated the breach of the levees."

although they included lots of quotes by Nagin and others. <Shrug>
New interesting comparison...
with yet [link|http://billmon.org/archives/002125.html|another timeline]. The differences are stark.
Have fun,
Carl Forde
New exactly what I have been saying
"the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli

Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep
questions, help? [link|mailto:pappas@catholic.org|email pappas at catholic.org]
New I love the phrase...
...no doubt will go unnoticed by the amnesia patients in the corporate media.

Good comparison.

Cheers,
Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
     Actual Timelines - (tuberculosis) - (50)
         Thanks. -NT - (Another Scott)
         Good links. Thanks. - (mmoffitt)
         Major difference - (bepatient) - (44)
             Important to illustrate cabinet members priorities - (tuberculosis) - (42)
                 As opposed to the current spate - (bepatient) - (41)
                     That's true - (Silverlock) - (33)
                         Tone and tenor - (bepatient) - (32)
                             I guess the reason I focus so much on the fed is . . . - (Silverlock) - (30)
                                 No, it's not understandable. - (mmoffitt)
                                 Right. - (bepatient) - (28)
                                     I Imagine he completes the same amount of work at either - (boxley) - (1)
                                         nice nuance there box ;-) -NT - (bepatient)
                                     "Now, watch this drive." Ring any bells? - (mmoffitt) - (24)
                                         Oooh - (bepatient) - (23)
                                             Nice try at re-writing history, again. - (mmoffitt) - (22)
                                                 Yeah...but wasn't that - (bepatient) - (21)
                                                     Funny how they keep throwing Rove in there, isn't it? -NT - (SpiceWare) - (20)
                                                         He seems to be the master of all things - (bepatient) - (12)
                                                             Chief Minister of Propaganda, Anyhow -NT - (tuberculosis) - (10)
                                                                 smacks of "PC" around here -NT - (SpiceWare) - (9)
                                                                     Honest reporting != PC. HTH. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (8)
                                                                         explain this thread then - (SpiceWare) - (5)
                                                                             Switch topics entirely, nice job of misdirection. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (4)
                                                                                 You're the one that brought up Rove - (SpiceWare) - (3)
                                                                                     Context is everything. - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                                                                                         Yeah, right - (SpiceWare) - (1)
                                                                                             And I thought you were playing along at home. - (mmoffitt)
                                                                         ROFLMAO - (bepatient)
                                                                         that gnawing feeling on your right butt cheek - (boxley)
                                                             You mean, he lied to YOU, too?!? ;-) -NT - (jb4)
                                                         Funny how they keep throwing Monica in there, isn't it? - (jb4) - (6)
                                                             We know he did Monica - (SpiceWare) - (3)
                                                                 No, but I probably can find him working **against** it. -NT - (jb4) - (2)
                                                                     So Todd's working for Rove now? - (SpiceWare) - (1)
                                                                         Swing. Miss. - (jb4)
                                                             Not mine? - (bepatient) - (1)
                                                                 :-) -NT - (mmoffitt)
                                     Yes, "on vacation" - (Silverlock)
                             Such as this one - (SpiceWare)
                     Yes everybody screwed up - (tuberculosis) - (6)
                         Here's what the Texas Catholic has to say. - (imqwerky) - (5)
                             Peter and Pall - (GBert) - (2)
                                 Unfortunately, those two mean no Merry :-( -NT - (jb4) - (1)
                                     TCFW - (imqwerky)
                             Great summing-up. Thanx Amy, you - - - (Ashton) - (1)
                                 Surprisingly - (imqwerky)
             The Right also didn't quote Bush.... - (Simon_Jester)
         interesting comparison... - (cforde) - (2)
             exactly what I have been saying -NT - (boxley)
             I love the phrase... - (ben_tilly)

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