Post #223,587
9/7/05 10:14:40 PM
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An "interesting" internet scam in St. Louis is being sued.
[link|http://blogs.washingtonpost.com/securityfix/|Washington Post]: Missouri Attorney General To Sue Katrina Phisher
The Missouri attorney general today filed civil charges against [link|http://blogs.washingtonpost.com/securityfix/2005/09/katrinarelated_.html|an Internet scam artist I wrote about last Thursday] who was running a hub of Web sites that claimed to be accepting donations on behalf of Hurricane Katrina relief efforts.
Today a Missouri federal judge signed a temporary restraining order against Frank Weltner, 64, of St. Louis, Mo., that prohibits him from accepting donations through the slew of Web sites he registered with names like www.donate-katrina.com, www.clergydonations.com, and www.internetdonations.org. Weltner is also the owner of JewWatch.com, a decidedly anti-Semitic Web site.
According to the Missouri AG's complaint, Weltner conveniently "omitted the fact that the ultimate company behind the Defendants\ufffd websites support white supremacy and that the money raised from the consumers will be only for use to help white victims of the hurricane."
The state is seeking to shutter the fake donation site and to freeze the assets of Internet Donations Inc., the nonprofit entity Weltner registered the day after our first blog post about him (and after he was already accepting donations through his site). The New York Times [link|http://www.nytimes.com/2005/09/07/national/nationalspecial/07cnd-fraud.html?hp&ex=1126152000&en=4b4e5e934468535c&ei=5094&partner=homepage|also ran a story on the Missouri legal action] in on its Web site today. There are too many twisted people out there... Cheers, Scott.
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Post #223,589
9/7/05 10:29:46 PM
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Yep
There are too many twisted people out there... And too many of them are from St. Louis! Brenda
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Post #223,606
9/7/05 11:15:10 PM
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It must be something in the water
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Post #223,609
9/7/05 11:19:27 PM
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so white donors are not allowed to discriminate?
kinda fucks up the freedom of association thingy in the constition doesnt it?
I really dont see a problem here,
brosonleykatrina.com
if it legit goes to victims of the prefered color who gives a rats ass.Dont contribute, change the channel
thanx.
bill
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Post #223,614
9/7/05 11:38:21 PM
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Reread the excerpt.
According to the Missouri AG's complaint, Weltner conveniently "omitted the fact that the ultimate company behind the Defendants\ufffd websites support white supremacy and that the money raised from the consumers will be only for use to help white victims of the hurricane." He was taking money in as a charity without being upfront about what it was going to be used for. That's a no-no. Cheers, Scott.
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Post #223,646
9/8/05 9:20:15 AM
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red cross does the same thing
"the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli
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Post #223,650
9/8/05 9:42:44 AM
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Not quite the "same".
The American Red Cross has several fund-raising drives going on simultaneously. [link|http://arc.convio.net/site/Donation?ACTION=SHOW_DONATION_OPTIONS&CAMPAIGN_ID=1161|Hurricane Katrina]. [link|http://arc.convio.net/site/Donation?ACTION=SHOW_DONATION_OPTIONS&CAMPAIGN_ID=1121|National Disaster Relief Fund]. [link|http://arc.convio.net/site/Donation?ACTION=SHOW_DONATION_OPTIONS&CAMPAIGN_ID=1142|International Response Fund]. I'm sure that sometimes they move money around between pots (if, for example, they have millions more in the tsunami relief fund than can be spent effectively at a particular time, and they have a need in another area, it would be senseless for them not to shift the funds). Also, the American Red Cross has several [link|http://www.redcross.org/faq/0,1096,0_315_,00.html#386|guiding principles] that the outfit in St. Louis doesn't subscribe to: Impartiality: It makes no discrimination as to nationality, race, religious beliefs, class or political opinions. It endeavours to relieve the suffering of individuals, being guided solely by their needs, and to give priority to the most urgent cases of distress. They're not the same at all, Box. Cheers, Scott.
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Post #223,658
9/8/05 10:35:22 AM
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not everyone thinks so
[link|http://www.amerrescue.org/red_cross.htm|http://www.amerrescue.org/red_cross.htm] Governor Jesse Ventura did the same thing when ARC tried to 'get away with' money raised to help Minnesota flood victims. many other sites like that. thanx, bill "the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli
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Post #223,659
9/8/05 10:43:14 AM
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One must separate the actions of individuals from the org...
There's no doubt that some people in organizations with access to money that isn't theirs do stupid, criminal things, like take it.
But I'd take Mr. Copp's comments about the American Red Cross with a very large [link|http://www.snopes.com/crime/warnings/triangle.asp|grain of salt].
FWIW.
Cheers,
Scott.
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Post #223,664
9/8/05 11:33:41 AM
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that was just one article of many indicating
that the american red cross is a business, not a non profit agency. Many WW2 veterans actively dislike the red cross.
thanx,
bill
"the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli
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Post #223,748
9/8/05 7:35:03 PM
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I dunno
My step-Grandfather (paternal side) passed most of the war in a german POW camp. He gave money to the RC every year for the rest of his life.
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Post #223,750
9/8/05 7:36:28 PM
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Red Cross != American Red Cross
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Post #223,751
9/8/05 7:41:13 PM
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Not what was in the subject
Though I did think about the national distinctions.
Of course, up here, the Red Cross occupies a special place, descended as it is from the medical brigades organised by Dr. Norman Bethune (of Toronto) during the Spanish Civil War.
That, of course, will cue Marlowe to trash the organisation due to its avowedly kom-yew-nist roots; Bethune was a noted socialist, extensively investigated by both the US and Canadian governments in the late thirties and forties for his communist sympathies, and is a national hero of Communist China for the work he did there during the Revolution, where he died of blood poisoning from a cut he received while doing an operation.
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Post #223,805
9/9/05 1:14:27 AM
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You missed a bit
As a result of his communist sympathies, Bethune also ate children (YOUR children) and regularly kicked kittens.
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Post #223,820
9/9/05 4:39:07 AM
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Wait, there's more
He also revolutionized the treatment of TB. This was out of necessity, as he had it himself. And you forgot about the backhanding pretty young ladies part.
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