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I am goinmg to rollover my 401K into an IRA, or should I pick something else to roll it over into like a personal 401K that is not tied to my employment at a company to keep it?

I am not sure why when you get uninstalled that you have to give up your 401K anyway? I mean if you own stock in that company that let you go you get to keep the stock, right?

Any IRA or 401K accounts that have investments into Microsoft rivals? I think after the DOJ decision, that these MS rivals will shoot up in their stock somewhat. That is my prediction anyway.

"Before Christmas it is 'Ho ho ho', after Christmas it is 'Owe owe owe'" - Santa Norm
New Re: Finacial Advice for the uninstalled
I am goinmg to rollover my 401K into an IRA, or should I pick something else to roll it over into like a personal 401K that is not tied to my employment at a company to keep it?
I could be wrong, but I believe only companies can have a 401K (i.e. no "personal" 401K). IRAs allow you full flexibility in how you invest the funds, particularly if you set it up with a brokerage (e.g. mutual funds, stocks, bonds, money market funds). Roll over the 401K into an existing IRA. Other than reporting the roll-over to the IRS on April 15th, there are no immediate tax consequences.

I am not sure why when you get uninstalled that you have to give up your 401K anyway? I mean if you own stock in that company that let you go you get to keep the stock, right?
Some companies do let you keep a 401K. But, there are costs associated with keeping an account going and the ex-employer may not want to bear it. Even stock in the ex-employer company, if traded publicly, could be transferred to an IRA at a brokerage house. Besides, 401Ks plans typically do not give you a wide choice of investments. Usually there is only a handful of choices.

Any IRA or 401K accounts that have investments into Microsoft rivals? I think after the DOJ decision, that these MS rivals will shoot up in their stock somewhat. That is my prediction anyway.
The stock market is not always rational. Remember the ".com bubble"? :)


Usual disclaimer: INAL, MBA, or financial advisor.
Alex

Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction. -- Blaise Pascal (1623-1662)
New IRAs of various sorts
Don't quote me on any of this.

I believe you can roll over into any qualified IRA. I'd choose one that's controlled by me rather than an employer, though you'll likely get a pitch from your next employer's IRA administrator to consolidate to them. It's convenient for them, but not you. If you change employers regularly (and this is relatively likely these days), I'd just as soon pool things into one account that more or less stays pat.

Your current administrator may or may not continue to maintain your account after your employment terminates. You'll have to check with them for specifics. If it's an institutional provider (eg: Schwab, T. Rowe Price, Vanguard, etc.), you likely can convert to a personal IRA account.

Your best bet is to discuss this with your current administrator or one of the major investment brokers. A Google search, as usual, is your friend, try [link|http://www.google.com/search?q=ira+rollover+layoff&btnG=Google+Search&hl=en|ira rollover layoff]. The first couple of results there look promising.

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Karsten M. Self [link|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com|kmself@ix.netcom.com]
What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?
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Manage your debts and payments.

Consider cancelling subscription services: newspapers, magazines, cable TV, memberships, donations, and charitable giving.

If you've got both long distance and a cell phone, consider ditching one. To me, the combination of DSL service and a cell phone might be preferable to a landline, if you're lucky enough to have neighbors with unprotected (or openly invited) wireless service, you could make further savings. Most cell phones allow prepaid plans with a certain amount of calls per month. My $30/mo gets 100 minutes of airtime, which I generally stay under -- if you like to gab, this isn't a good choice though. Modest increases give substantially more airtime. Some services include "family intercom" which may cover most of your calls. Internet access is more critical than phone, and the cell is with me at all times. My experience is that Internet access pays in connectivity rewards which are helpful when I'm job hunting, and a cell phone's mobility advantages are far superior to a landline -- though I use my phone for dialup Internet access.

Pay off your credit card debt immediately, if possible.

It's hard to manage, and if you miss or skip payments, generally gets really expensive, really fast. Consider cancelling your accounts alltogether.

Keep your student loans, particularly if they're deferrable or you can get a forebearance. This is some of the friendliest debt you can own. You'll continue to accrue interest, but rates are generally low, and the forebearance can be continued for extended periods of time.

Cut any other payments you make. For most people, that's rent/mortgage, food, gas, various insurance (car, home, health, life). Review your budget and trim corners. You can offset much food and entertainment expense with the extra time you've got, and the work itself can have its rewards. Review house payments or rent arrangements -- your bank or landlord may be flexible. If they're not, start making contingency plans sooner rather than later. If you've got more than one car, consider selling the more expensive one (could be the newer one with higher insurance, or the older one with worse mileage and higher repair costs) to cut your profile.

Look at energy efficiency. Your home's power consumption generally goes to heating, cooling, hot water, refrigeration, and lighting, with all else being noise. Reducing your heat/cool setting, lowering bulb wattage, low-flow showers, closing off unused rooms, are relatively low-cost ways to achieve substantial savings with fairly quick payoffs. Other measures are more expensive, but do have their long-term rewards. Curtains or other window blocking, weatherstripping, and blocking other external airflows can help substantially.

If you've got equity investments, start shifting from stocks to more liquid assets -- eg: money market. Do this over a period of several months and you'll minimize market risk (you'll average out up and down fluctuations). Balance this against brokerage fees, typically $20 - $50 per transaction. Some brokers offer reduced (or no) fees for their own equities -- another advantage of Schwab's own funds (like the Schwab 1000 Index) is that there are no brokerage fees for positions held for a minimum time period (120 or 180 days, IIRC). The advantage of a money market position is that you've got less investment risk, while maintianing some return (I think I currently see about 4%, though this could be falling as interest rates and market returns fall).

Look at short-term work and other income options, including unemployment and community grants.

I'm not seeing much, if any, uptick yet. This could last a while.
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Karsten M. Self [link|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com|kmself@ix.netcom.com]
What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?
New Thank you
I canceled my cell phone and cable TV last month just in case.

I still have DSL, but the cost of a second phone line and an ISP account is higher than the DSL bill. I need the primary phone for when people call me about a job. I do not have call waiting on it.

I paid off my student loan years ago. It is the credit card bills that are murder, but I was able to juggle them to a lower interest card for six months at least. After that the 12.9% rate goes into effect. My goal is to pay it off in full in about three or four years. I hope anyway.

"Before Christmas it is 'Ho ho ho', after Christmas it is 'Owe owe owe'" - Santa Norm
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         IRAs of various sorts - (kmself)
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