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New Jekyl and Hyde
Imqwerky's recent vitriol is such a contrast to her usual, sunny demeanour that it reminds me of the Jekyl and Hyde archetype. [link|http://redwing.hutman.net/~mreed/warriorshtm/jekylhyde.htm|http://redwing.hutma...htm/jekylhyde.htm]

The reasons for such dramatic changes are

  • A psychotic episode

  • PMS

  • A downturn in the market

  • A surprise visit by the in-laws

  • A session of hard drinking


Identifying the correct reason is best left to those who know her. But I'm going with Amy as a hard drinker.

/me ducks and runs
Matthew Greet


Choose Life. Choose a job. Choose a career. Choose a family. Choose a fucking big television, choose washing machines, cars, compact disc players and electrical tin openers. Choose good health, low cholesterol, and dental insurance. Choose fixed interest mortgage repayments. Choose a starter home. Choose your friends. Choose leisurewear and matching luggage. Choose DIY and wondering who the fuck you are on a Sunday morning. Choose sitting on that couch watching mind-numbing, spirit-crushing game shows, stuffing fucking junk food into your mouth. Choose rotting away at the end of it all, pishing your last in a miserable home, nothing more than an embarrassment to the selfish, fucked up brats you spawned to replace yourself. Choose your future. Choose life... But why would I want to do a thing like that? I chose not to choose life. I chose somethin' else. And the reasons? There are no reasons. Who needs reasons when you've got heroin?
- Mark Renton, Trainspotting.
New ICLRPD (new thread)
Created as new thread #221981 titled [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=221981|ICLRPD]
--
Steve
New Perhaps there is a good Amy and a bad Amy?
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
New Shhhhh!
You are giving away The Secret. (LOL)

;-)


Peace,
Amy

"Losing your mind is like losing your keys. You have to retrace your steps to find out where you left them. But the bonus is that you usually find loose change in the cushions." ABR '05 :-D
New (In the world of Duality - can't have one without t'other.)

New If you must know...
the answer is close in "A surprise visit by the in-laws", only it's me own mudder who drives me up the monkey tree.

Unfortunately, both my in-laws are deceased. They were the best non-blood-relatives anybody could ever know.

Thanks for the vote of confidence, mateys. A big collective hug to you all.

(sorry I'm hugging in the Flame Forum, Scott. I will try not to do it again...soon ;-) )

Peaches,
Amy

" I tend to believe the great voices of peace throughout history {were} right, and this voice from this little hamlet here in Texas is absolutely wrong. The world is watching what you do here. It is important that you be calm, that you be peaceful, but you be firm. My grandmother {used to} say, \ufffdFight them \ufffdtil hell freezes over, and when hell freezes over, fight them on the ice.\ufffd

Dallas Reverend Peter Johnson, former staff member of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference.
New Ok that Cuts It
Amy, you ignorant slut! - it's one thing to hug here, but being sorry about hugging is a Meta Offense!

{will. have. to. ponder. suitable. At-One-ment . . .}













Gawd I miss Laugh-In. Smothers Bros. The original SNL; back when corps had not so successfully homogenized the Pasteurized bleating consumer-mass, such that - all they can now supply through the transistorized-teat is Tang\ufffd / ~~ a vacuum.


(And putting up with Muricans '05 Demands a well-developed since of humor, proportion, and tolerance for mental-illness experienced amidst large groupings.)

New First, the spanking. And then...
well, you know the rest. ;-)

Still laughing to pieces,
Amy

" I tend to believe the great voices of peace throughout history {were} right, and this voice from this little hamlet here in Texas is absolutely wrong. The world is watching what you do here. It is important that you be calm, that you be peaceful, but you be firm. My grandmother {used to} say, \ufffdFight them \ufffdtil hell freezes over, and when hell freezes over, fight them on the ice.\ufffd

Dallas Reverend Peter Johnson, former staff member of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference.
New I know that one. Gawd, how I know that one.
A visit from mom, <shudder>. Don't get me wrong, I love her dearly, but the woman can really get to me. Under passive aggresive in the dictionary it says; see a Jewish mother or Don's mom.

If I walked into the house and she was sitting in the dark because the lights had burned out and I told her I would put in new bulbs, she would say "Oh that's ok. I'm all right. The dark doesn't bother me."
-----------------------------------------
George W. Bush and his PNAC handlers sent the US into Iraq with lies. I find myself rethinking my opposition to the death penalty.

--Donald Dean Richards Jr.
New the mom from hades
did you actually say that you didnt want that mean old woman to be in charge of your little girl for the weekend?
Yes
Its all lies
thats why she is scared of old people
thanx,
bill
"the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli

Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep
questions, help? [link|mailto:pappas@catholic.org|email pappas at catholic.org]
New Let's all sing the "Bitch Song" from South Park!
that is what goes through my mind whenever I see her name on the caller-id. I cannot stand her anymore! She is toxic to me!

Ugh!!!!

Par exemple: She called me today and after a brief "hello" asked me for my social security number. I asked her what for? She got all pissy with me and said, "Well, I was going to name you as a beneficiary for a life insurance policy, but since you are being such a snot (/me is holding the phone thinking WTF is her problem?)maybe I won't now."

Fine! I don't give a shit anyway! Fucking bitch from hell. She may have given me birth, but that is the extent of it. She is the meanest cunt and she bad-mouths me to my brother and sister. AND I'M THE NORMAL CHILD!!! Thankfully, my sis and I are like this (fingers crossed). My brother can FOAD as far as I care.

So, now yall know about my dys-FUN-ctional family.

To my mother and my brother I say, "I break with thee, I break with thee, I break with thee!" (/me throws dog poopie on their shoes. HA!)

God, that feels good to get that off my chest.

Peace, at last!
Amy

BTW, sound off and let me know...if your mother called and said, "Hi (state your name)! What's your social security number?" Wouldn't you ask WTF she wanted it for?

thanks,
a.

" I tend to believe the great voices of peace throughout history {were} right, and this voice from this little hamlet here in Texas is absolutely wrong. The world is watching what you do here. It is important that you be calm, that you be peaceful, but you be firm. My grandmother {used to} say, \ufffdFight them \ufffdtil hell freezes over, and when hell freezes over, fight them on the ice.\ufffd

Dallas Reverend Peter Johnson, former staff member of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference.
New I would immediately give her a number I made up on the spot
I would be able to remeber it for the length of the conversation so I could repeat it later when she was checking to see if I was lying.
I dont get confrontational as much as I dont put up with her shit.

She called me at work 1/2 way thru her last visit to say she was leaving. Apparently she told my wife "dont yell at me" as they were arguing. Now at that point my wife Started to yell. I guess even with the hearing aid turned off the increased volume made her realize she had stepped over a major boundry.
I told her to have a nice trip and called my sis to let her know she was on the way back.

About one visit every 3 years for a week or less is all we can take.
My brothers figure to torture their children by inflicting gramma onto them and my sister and her have been managing each other for years.

She is harmless to herself and other but you aint seen nuthin till you see ma in full attack mode

My deceased wife had epilepsy controlled by barbituates. Now she hated the pills and would occationally have a grand mal siezure. I would notice when she took a holiday with the phenobarbital and try to keep an eye on her.

Ma was visiting, wife goes into a gran mal

Ma was on her like a pitbull on a poodle slamming her head into the floor screaming "In Jesus Name get out Satan!!"

Gotta drag Ma off and help wife remain comfortable while the angel of obnoxious pat robertism was attempting to get back into battle

Ma, I told you she has a disease
"Ive know the cure to a possesion when I see one" she spits
any more stories ya wanta swap?
thanx,
bill

"the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli

Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep
questions, help? [link|mailto:pappas@catholic.org|email pappas at catholic.org]
New ! Get to work on that book, will you! :-)
New Story swapping
How about the time when I was 6 years old and I got pissed at my brother who was teasing me incessantly, so I picked up the nearest object, which was a wire coathanger,and threw it at him. She SAT ON TOP OF ME and beat the living shit out of me. Slapped me in the face, whipped my hands and bruised me from stem to stern. She was 29 years old. From that point on, I started abusing food then started having migraine headaches by the time I was 8. 3 days in the hospital and the diagnosis was "suppressed anger". This was 1970. Instead of getting me some help as to why I was angry, I was sent home.

It took me until just last January to get healed. Apparently, I learned from the incident that anger=bad. Also, it was traumatic enough to trigger bi-polar disorder (which runs in the family, doncha know), from which I suffered until was finally dx'ed 3 years ago. I am finally on meds and "graduated" from therapy about a month ago.

No longer will that bitch fuck with my head. She is history. I only maintain contact to shut her up. And, believe me, keeping her away is not too easy considering she only lives 5 miles away (and my sister lives on the same street as I do. It makes it too convenient for her to stop by here and then go to my sister's house.) She treats my husband like shit. Nevermind that we have been married for 22 years and are HAPPY. Bro and sis both have been divorced and remarried. (Sis is divorced again, but still in an abusive relationship with her ex.)

Quite frankly, our "mothers" are cut from the same cloth. Cloth that needs to be cut up into rags and tossed in the trash.

Thanks for the moral support. I'm not glad that we share a common problem, but it's nice to know I'm not alone. Misery loves company.

Hugs,
a.

" I tend to believe the great voices of peace throughout history {were} right, and this voice from this little hamlet here in Texas is absolutely wrong. The world is watching what you do here. It is important that you be calm, that you be peaceful, but you be firm. My grandmother {used to} say, \ufffdFight them \ufffdtil hell freezes over, and when hell freezes over, fight them on the ice.\ufffd

Dallas Reverend Peter Johnson, former staff member of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference.
New You've done well. Hang in there.
New (((((((Scott))))))))
Thank you, dear Scott. Your encouragement is much appreciated. Thank you for being my friend.

Peace,
Amy

" I tend to believe the great voices of peace throughout history {were} right, and this voice from this little hamlet here in Texas is absolutely wrong. The world is watching what you do here. It is important that you be calm, that you be peaceful, but you be firm. My grandmother {used to} say, \ufffdFight them \ufffdtil hell freezes over, and when hell freezes over, fight them on the ice.\ufffd

Dallas Reverend Peter Johnson, former staff member of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference.
New :-)
New Rageaholics.
Have some experience of a couple of those, and some experience of 'cutting|off' a diseased limb of the "family" tree. In Tree pruning -hindsight- I can only say that, having made that decision after a particular event / observing how it was handled by the bent-saplings: I could.. beat Self up for having not stayed in touch a tiny bit, re possibly 'helping' a couple of the younger ones?
(that word ought always be in quotes, we see).
But no regrets re the ones fully-formed in arrant knavery. That would have been the sort of unnecessary suffering which - - see 'Puritans', below ;-)

Overall, it seems - that while you don't want to drop the atom bomb on Luxembourg - I Divorce You | I Divorce You can be a more healthful and complete solution to certain pernicious family habits (and habitats) than pretending that

~ It Doesn't Matter that I can't Stand being around X - why, S/He's my ___ After all! cha cha cha

As to the internal stuff you suppressed-for-cause and had to overcome -
I can appreciate that it took a long time to work through the effects, and trust that you aren't beating Self up for ~ "hows come I'm so fucking slow-to-realize and Do something." Etc.

My guess is (often!) that examination of the owl-entrails through the warped-lens of, Yes, *#%&*^ Puritanism, again - gives a clue to many situations as fill the Social Work clinics in Murica. Compound this mindset with the Shrub-type adolescent-Stubborness about the idea that, "family === GOOD"
(and if you don't Think So, >You< be BAD.) What a combo!

But it's hard for most to wrench free from such conditioning (and our absurd ways of not-dealing with their effects). These myths are inculcated from the crib, with the same tenacity as the $God choice settled-on in that particular nursery.

Glad you've shed the major toxins to (what I suppose to be, by-any-other-name -- a constant, daily attack upon the immune system). And anyone who doesn't Believe that you can/do Make Yourself Sick -- I'd never even bother to 'argue' with. Nobody knows much of how that system Works, but we are constantly finding out what it means for overall Wellness (not just freedom from some AMA-defined 'disease' or syndrome or __ ) -- when it is fucked up.

I also know a family in the bi-polar niche; fortunately they are (by now) pretty sane about vetting punctiliously any 'medications', and in minutely examining the bases for any diagnoses, then running down all options they can sleuth; especially including a decent diet of fresh foods, 'live' if possible.

I've witnessed a few such results. ie Inescapable today, with anonymous technician-specialist-MDs on a time clock - one must become one's Own Doctor / decision maker. For oneself or for a semi-dependent.
[Gawd, have I grown to despise the way nurses say robotically, "Doctor -not, 'the doctor'- Will See You Now". And, "you'll need some medications." - But I digress'.]

I've read (painfully) the best overall book my friend found as a decent intro to the depression/bi-polar/'Borderline-Personality-Disorder' milieu. Stop Walking on Eggshells by Paul T. Mason, M.S. and Randi Kreger. If you don't know this one - might be worth a perusal at bookstore; it is at least not insulting to intelligence and they are careful about qualifying all those what-ifs? as many other writers (seem to) take to be: er "settled law".

That there are techno-sounding words for "these conditions" - does not mean that much at all is actually Understood -- it seems though, that there is now at least a skeleton around which to hang one's own personal experience. I gather that this is a pretty recent stage.
(I don't much care to learn a lot about.. x years ago / not with all the other crap coming home to Roost.)

The nuclear-grade drugs really are last-resort, yet sometimes, at our present level of ignorance - necessary. Dosages are entirely a matter of clever trials of precise dosages On That Person! and waiting patiently, watching; No! Seeing with full Attention.. and if more than one drug is employed: there are lots of possible weirdnesses in a particular person's metabolism, genes and Cthulhu Knows what else.
(And when you combine above with advanced aging ...)

(Book may also piss you off, if you recognize in 20/20, any of the errors described.. in previous of your efforts.) Them's the breaks. Remember - a few years back - this was really a jargon-driven / not (adequate) research-results-driven pseudo-science. It still is - as regards a dearth of trustworthy info re interactions amidst the several popular meds. {sigh} No Money in That! WTF would fund something which can't result in a sale of Something, pretty soon?


Hang in there - you're better off than many; you have a functioning mind!
(I once spent an afternoon in a white coat, with a psych-tech friend at a er, 'facility'. Without the coat .. well, some of the techs would have a hard time exiting, too. It's a Circus - get the cotton candy!)


Believe Nothing: test (!)

New Daylight
Fortunately, I am not smacking my forehead uttering,"I coulda had a V-8 ."

I remember trying to get help after I miscarried my first pregnancy. The year was 1985. I went to the doc and, in very plain English, told him, "I am depressed!" His response was to put me on an 1800 calorie diet supplemented by the drug, Fastin. Harumph! The worst part was that it was a D.O.! I expected a more holistic approach than "lose weight, sweetie". Needless to say, I did not take the pseudo-speed. And,I never went back to that quack.

It has been a long, arduous journey. The decisions I have made WRT keeping relationships at arm's length came with much introspection and anaylysis. Don't forget, I was a debater in high school and college. Having that "in my blood" has served me well. I don't believe in burning bridges to the ground, but now there are toll booths on a few. That seems to keep the traffic to a minimum.

Thank you for the book reference. The reason I reached wellness so quickly was due to my research and willingness to read as many appropriate materials as possible. I read Kay Jamieson's An Unquiet Mind, which showed me how lucky I am that I am BP II and not BP I. It shed great light on the fact that my father was undiagnosed BP I - which explained a lot of his behavior in retrospect.

As far as meds go, I am hesitant to change now that I feel the "mix" is correct. It takes a lot of trial and error to get the cocktail just right. However, I have just recently become aware of a natural alternative that I am curious about trying. Even though one of my mottos is "If it ain't broke, don't fix it.", I find myself in the predicament of having no prescription drug coverage. If there is a way to fend off this horrible affliction without an Rx, Hooray!

I must say that I have been fascinated with the study of brain chemistry and the impact of hormones on brain function. (Bionerd, if you have any comments, I welcome them :-) )

So, in closing, Thank you, dear Ashton, for your supportive words and intuitive observations. Knowing that there are people "in my corner" makes all the difference in the world. It shows me that, in spite of the darkness, a new day is just on the horizon. Bless you.

Peace,
Amy

"Losing your mind is like losing your keys. You have to retrace your steps to find out where you left them. But the bonus is that you usually find loose change in the cushions." ABR '05 :-D
Expand Edited by imqwerky Sept. 1, 2005, 09:04:08 AM EDT
New Wow, I feel priviliged
My own mother-in-law showed up a week after her grandkids were born, gave us some cash and asked if that would be enough. I haven't seen her since.

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179. I will not outsource core functions.
--
[link|http://omega.med.yale.edu/~pcy5/misc/overlord2.htm|.]

New Regret not seeing;to tell her no,it wasn't enough after all?
New Does she have tentacles?
I'm not sure why I got an anime flashback from that <shudder> but i think you may be just a bit *conditioned*. The same thing happens to me. I've seen or heard the same thing so many times that I *expect* to see/hear it again and even minor instances seem major if you know what I mean.

Mom's harp on you. That's their job.

My Mom Means Well. I know that for a fact. No matter how hard it is to beleive.
-----------------------------------------
George W. Bush and his PNAC handlers sent the US into Iraq with lies. I find myself rethinking my opposition to the death penalty.

--Donald Dean Richards Jr.
New And that's the bottom line
My Mom Means Well. I know that for a fact. No matter how hard it is to beleive.


That is what's most important, and once you realize that, even the bad relationships with parents make more sense. My mom and I used to fight constantly. We'd throw things down the hall at one another, scream at the tops of our lungs and pound the nearest objects into submission.

After I moved out however, I made a conscious effort to understand WHY mom was like she was. That was an enlightening experience, she and I now have a much better relationship, and actually enjoy communicating and seeing one another for the most part. We still have our bad days, or bad experiences, but we've managed to create a working daughter/mother relationship out of a failed one.

Brenda



"Excel is to math what a Microwave Oven is to cooking!"
New She is toxic to me.
I don't need that kind of shit in my life. I know why she is the way she is. I've told her that she needs therapy and she actually said to me in a sarcastic manner, "Oh, I'm SO fucked-up,aren't I?" To which I got up from the table and left, saying,"You know, I can't even have an adult conversation with you."

She is 65 years old. There is no chance, short of a miracle, that she is going to change. Got some books for you to read, sugar. Toxic Parents by Susan Forward and Emotional Incest by Patricia Love.

Linky:[link|http://www.webheights.net/GrowingbeyondEmotionalAbuse/plove/plei.htm|http://www.webheight...se/plove/plei.htm]

I was not the chosen child, my brother is. And it turns my stomach! But, that is not my problem. That is his challenge to act upon.

Goody for you that you have a relationship with your mother. It sounds stifling and contrived and I'm glad I'm not you. She still has an iron grasp on your life...sux2bu. Read the above books and break free! No charge for the counseling, this time.

Now, I'm done with this rant. I want to move on to better things.

Adios,
a.






" I tend to believe the great voices of peace throughout history {were} right, and this voice from this little hamlet here in Texas is absolutely wrong. The world is watching what you do here. It is important that you be calm, that you be peaceful, but you be firm. My grandmother {used to} say, \ufffdFight them \ufffdtil hell freezes over, and when hell freezes over, fight them on the ice.\ufffd

Dallas Reverend Peter Johnson, former staff member of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference.
New I'm not saying she isn't.
I didn't say every single mother means well, I said the bottom line for Silverlock was that he knew his did. Not every mother means well, and I applaud you for being free of yours.

Think what you like, but my relationship with my mother is not stifling and contrived. She has no iron grasp on my life, trust me. It's a genuine relationship that we have managed to find and nurture out of the painful past. We even both had therapy. Not everyone can do that, and not everyone should. It would always depend on the people involved.

Brenda



"Excel is to math what a Microwave Oven is to cooking!"
Expand Edited by Nightowl Sept. 1, 2005, 12:27:10 AM EDT
New I beg to differ...

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179. I will not outsource core functions.
--
[link|http://omega.med.yale.edu/~pcy5/misc/overlord2.htm|.]

New That doesn't hold for me
Well actually it does. My mother does mean well. Unfortunately her definition of "well" and my definition of "well" bear no relation.

Cheers,
Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
New She hides them well. :-/

" I tend to believe the great voices of peace throughout history {were} right, and this voice from this little hamlet here in Texas is absolutely wrong. The world is watching what you do here. It is important that you be calm, that you be peaceful, but you be firm. My grandmother {used to} say, \ufffdFight them \ufffdtil hell freezes over, and when hell freezes over, fight them on the ice.\ufffd

Dallas Reverend Peter Johnson, former staff member of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference.
New For some reason, I read that as TESTICLES
Wonder what THAT means?
--
Steve
New You're gay. :-D

" I tend to believe the great voices of peace throughout history {were} right, and this voice from this little hamlet here in Texas is absolutely wrong. The world is watching what you do here. It is important that you be calm, that you be peaceful, but you be firm. My grandmother {used to} say, \ufffdFight them \ufffdtil hell freezes over, and when hell freezes over, fight them on the ice.\ufffd

Dallas Reverend Peter Johnson, former staff member of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference.
New Dang. My wife will be disappointed.
--
Steve
New ROTFL :-D

"Losing your mind is like losing your keys. You have to retrace your steps to find out where you left them. But the bonus is that you usually find loose change in the cushions." ABR '05 :-D
     Jekyl and Hyde - (warmachine) - (31)
         ICLRPD (new thread) - (Steve Lowe)
         Perhaps there is a good Amy and a bad Amy? -NT - (ben_tilly) - (1)
             Shhhhh! - (imqwerky)
         (In the world of Duality - can't have one without t'other.) -NT - (Ashton)
         If you must know... - (imqwerky) - (26)
             Ok that Cuts It - (Ashton) - (1)
                 First, the spanking. And then... - (imqwerky)
             I know that one. Gawd, how I know that one. - (Silverlock) - (23)
                 the mom from hades - (boxley)
                 Let's all sing the "Bitch Song" from South Park! - (imqwerky) - (21)
                     I would immediately give her a number I made up on the spot - (boxley) - (9)
                         ! Get to work on that book, will you! :-) -NT - (Another Scott)
                         Story swapping - (imqwerky) - (5)
                             You've done well. Hang in there. -NT - (Another Scott) - (2)
                                 (((((((Scott)))))))) - (imqwerky) - (1)
                                     :-) -NT - (Another Scott)
                             Rageaholics. - (Ashton) - (1)
                                 Daylight - (imqwerky)
                         Wow, I feel priviliged - (Arkadiy) - (1)
                             Regret not seeing;to tell her no,it wasn't enough after all? -NT - (CRConrad)
                     Does she have tentacles? - (Silverlock) - (10)
                         And that's the bottom line - (Nightowl) - (3)
                             She is toxic to me. - (imqwerky) - (2)
                                 I'm not saying she isn't. - (Nightowl) - (1)
                                     I beg to differ... -NT - (Arkadiy)
                         That doesn't hold for me - (ben_tilly)
                         She hides them well. :-/ -NT - (imqwerky)
                         For some reason, I read that as TESTICLES - (Steve Lowe) - (3)
                             You're gay. :-D -NT - (imqwerky) - (2)
                                 Dang. My wife will be disappointed. -NT - (Steve Lowe) - (1)
                                     ROTFL :-D -NT - (imqwerky)

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