Corporate Anti-Spyware recommendations?

Post #221,134 by mmoffitt 8/26/05 5:54:48 PM Reply	Corporate Anti-Spyware recommendations? We're getting hammered with our guys in the field picking up all manner of malware. We use Symantec Corporate and SpyBot right now, but some how these guys manage to get all the latest and greatest releases of malware. Any recommendations for business class stuff? PC Ragazine listed Trend Micro's as one of the best for blocking spyware (they bought InterMute's Spy-Subtract and relabeled it). Any opinions on that? I swear, I don't know how these guys get their machines so hammered. Any advice greatly appreciated. bcnu, Mikem It would seem, therefore, that the three human impulses embodied in religion are fear, conceit, and hatred. The purpose of religion, one might say, is to give an air of respectibility to these passions. -- Bertrand Russell
Post #221,135 by boxley 8/26/05 5:56:05 PM Reply	you mal'ed you pay, charge them by the hour that will keep them off the porn and gaming sites. Or try a different OS. Depending on how much its costing the company they could hav e already paid for it. thanx, bill "the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #221,136 by mmoffitt 8/26/05 6:02:37 PM 8/26/05 8:00:13 PM Reply	I hear you. Edited because I realized what a CLM that was. ;0) bcnu, Mikem It would seem, therefore, that the three human impulses embodied in religion are fear, conceit, and hatred. The purpose of religion, one might say, is to give an air of respectibility to these passions. -- Bertrand Russell Edited by mmoffitt Aug. 26, 2005, 08:00:13 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #221,154 by Yendor 8/26/05 6:54:57 PM Reply	Not necessarily We all know how, er, viral these things are. You could possibly have a very good spyware/virus system set up for when the sales drones are inside your office, but if they hook up to a client's (or prospective client's) network to trot out $COMPANY's dog-and-pony show, that could be all that's needed. Bring laptop back to the office, and things would then be noticed. It ain't always about the porn. -YendorMike "They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." - Benjamin Franklin, 1759 Historical Review of Pennsylvania
Post #221,170 by ben_tilly 8/26/05 10:18:35 PM Reply	Ditto when you plug it into a hotel network I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Post #221,184 by Silverlock 8/26/05 11:14:01 PM Reply	Education We used to see a lot of spyware. After a rather simple email notice (I believe I shared it here a while ago) and constant reminders when they call in for help, our users are not getting near as much spyware as they once did. We still have a few who can't seem to learn but we have have found a method that puts the fear of IT into them. Three calls on spyware (or one if it's a bad enough infestation) and "I'm sorry, but you'll have to send that laptop in for re-imaging." You'd be surprised at how quickly they learn. Aside from that, Spybot, Adaware and Trend Micro are my "personal" favorites for cleaning my users systems. (We've had to rule out Microsoft's antispyware beta after finding it interfered with the rollout of another MS product (Exchange 2003)) Add in CWShredder for certain specific cases and you have a decent general purpose toolset. Our company "authorizes" some crap from a company at which some executive's nephew works. I wouldn't recommend it. So far none of the antivirus products have anything worth a damn that I've seen and I deal with this fairly closely. ----------------------------------------- George W. Bush and his PNAC handlers sent the US into Iraq with lies. I find myself rethinking my opposition to the death penalty. --Donald Dean Richards Jr.
Post #221,202 by Ashton 8/27/05 3:45:23 AM Reply	How complementary are Spybot S&D and Adaware? Just wondering if I'm missing something I shouldn't.. I can imagine that office considerations are quite different than mine, though. Mainly I keep S&D quite up-to-date, [d/l-ing new db right now] but dunno whether there's a whole category which Adaware covers and S&D doesn't; maybe sorta leaves to them? Minimalist needs here, of course: No Office, IE, Word, Lookout installed - nor HiSpeed; just dialup. Not even a network. Never allowed Norton or other AV stuff on, need not play the daily call-Home for new band-aids, as with post-9x. (Main reason for staying here, of course) -- until 98SE-lite becomes unuseable for some next manufactured reason; then it's OSX time, if not sooner. No experience yet of an invasion; lucky and/or my habits are unusual enough to evade this crap. 98-SE-lite is really STABLE when you don't ask it to do hardly anything, or run longer than a day! (Guess Doze was designed for.. the hardly-User, not those unfortunate millions?)
Post #221,250 by imqwerky 8/27/05 6:07:04 PM Reply	re: Spybot S&D and AdAware I can attest to the efficacy of using these two programs in tandem. AdAware most definitely picks up that which Spybot does not, and vice versa. I recommend the use of both of these programs to everyone I know with a 'puter. As a testimonial, I had a friend who was about to give up on her computer because it ran so slow. After I was finished with it, it was humming! Spybot removed over 200 items and AdAware found 250 or so. Then it was necessary to tell my friend she needed Norton AntiVirus and a decent Personal Firewall. I suggested McAfee. After running a trial version of Norton, her computer was as good as new. I will say that it was time-consuming, however. Took me a good 2 hours to get it back to normal. (many thanks to Critter for teaching me how to be a geek ;) ) Peace, Amy " I tend to believe the great voices of peace throughout history {were} right, and this voice from this little hamlet here in Texas is absolutely wrong. The world is watching what you do here. It is important that you be calm, that you be peaceful, but you be firm. My grandmother {used to} say, \ufffdFight them \ufffdtil hell freezes over, and when hell freezes over, fight them on the ice.\ufffd Dallas Reverend Peter Johnson, former staff member of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference.
Post #221,265 by Ashton 8/27/05 9:14:48 PM Reply	Gracias Will add to arsenal. Belt + suspenders. (And were I on a post-9x form of this Collossal-junk-magnet, I might succumb to the overhead of one o' those Virus thingies too; though sending $ to Symantec Corp is not far from stuffing Redmond's Porsche fund) Yeah, kinda feels good when a newbie-in-tears sees magic done and ya gets ta say, Shucks, Maam, t'waren't nuttin... Story time - Eons ago, when I was messing with audio on the side, guy brings in a TEC (the very First transistorized audio gear: cute, mediocre sound, and small.) All apologetic for maybe "wasting my time" - he told a tale of hauling this sucker to a couple shops. Would get it back and the FM would still cut out ~ same. (Here's where the Luck + synchronicity comes in; never dismiss Luck in anything to do with @$^& 'lectronics) I'd just replaced the Germanium Yes: 2N213! muting xsistor in another of these; had a spare on bench. I whip off wood top and he goes chattering on, while I do a quick unsolder/install/resolder. Plug in & listen a few seconds.. (He notices little of this, actually) Top back on. He starts to leave. I say, don't you want your system back? "Oh.. you don't want to work on it then .. ..." :{ So I explained the coincidence. Couldn't 'charge' him for serendipity, now Could I? (I'd like to say that he went on to full-bore Rapacity the Murican Way.. and lends me his Gulfstream for little jaunts. I'd Like to say that..) Wizardry! (sometimes all it is, is - pullin the thorn out of the paw of the Right lion, early enough) I, Wizzard-in-waiting <sic> - read your Pratchett, Girl!
Post #221,267 by Another Scott 8/27/05 9:22:31 PM Reply	:-)
Post #221,280 by imqwerky 8/28/05 1:22:35 AM Reply	re: read my Pratchett I hear and obey! Ben has also been after me to read P. Guess I'll have to make the time. Peace, Amy " I tend to believe the great voices of peace throughout history {were} right, and this voice from this little hamlet here in Texas is absolutely wrong. The world is watching what you do here. It is important that you be calm, that you be peaceful, but you be firm. My grandmother {used to} say, \ufffdFight them \ufffdtil hell freezes over, and when hell freezes over, fight them on the ice.\ufffd Dallas Reverend Peter Johnson, former staff member of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference.
Post #221,284 by pwhysall 8/28/05 2:44:36 AM Reply	Norton unnecessary & Personal Firewalls pointless... ...and here's why. AVG antivirus is free and effective: [link\|http://free.grisoft.com/doc/1\|http://free.grisoft.com/doc/1] Personal firewalls are no substitute for the one on your router, and the built-in Windows XP firewall is far less obtrusive than things like Norton Easy Internet Personal Security Web Center, or whatever it's called. Far better to simply unbind MS networking from the internet-facing network connection. All that happens with personal firewalls is that inexperienced users get asked "Do you want to allow FOOBAR.EXE to access the internet", and they'll click "Yes" on everything, because they rapidly become conditioned to the idea that doing anything else will cause things to break. So, my recommendation is to leave the Windows firewall on at its default settings, get AVG, and then proceed with your excellent Ad-Aware/Spybot advice. A general recommendation is for anyone with a broadband connection to get a proper router. [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=191078\|I've got] a Buffalo wireless router with all the usual security doin's. I leave my computers (2x Mac, 1x Windows, 1x Linux) unfirewalled and do all the legwork at the router. This means my internal network is easier to work with. Peter [link\|http://www.ubuntulinux.org\|Ubuntu Linux] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #221,289 by jbrabeck 8/28/05 7:27:01 AM Reply	Concur with Peter Firewall at the router AVG Spybot Adaware so far, no problems. /knocks on wood :) A good friend will come and bail you out of jail ... but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"
Post #221,291 by imqwerky 8/28/05 8:58:13 AM Reply	Comcast is now offering free McAfee security. Crap! and I just paid for the friggin' Personal Firewall. Guess I can cancel, but, a little heads-up woulda been nice. I was only using a 15 day free trial of Norton, so yay!, I can use AVG as recommended. Thanks for the info :-) Peace, Amy " I tend to believe the great voices of peace throughout history {were} right, and this voice from this little hamlet here in Texas is absolutely wrong. The world is watching what you do here. It is important that you be calm, that you be peaceful, but you be firm. My grandmother {used to} say, \ufffdFight them \ufffdtil hell freezes over, and when hell freezes over, fight them on the ice.\ufffd Dallas Reverend Peter Johnson, former staff member of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference.
Post #224,212 by Another Scott 9/10/05 11:48:44 PM Reply	Thanks for the AVG Antivirus pointer.
Post #224,293 by mmoffitt 9/11/05 1:22:12 PM Reply	Ibid. bcnu, Mikem It would seem, therefore, that the three human impulses embodied in religion are fear, conceit, and hatred. The purpose of religion, one might say, is to give an air of respectibility to these passions. -- Bertrand Russell
Post #221,342 by drewk 8/28/05 11:59:38 PM 8/29/05 9:22:46 AM Reply	Reminder: there's a good page on this on the TWiki [link\|http://twiki.iwethey.org/twiki/bin/view/Know/WinXPLockdown\|http://twiki.iwethey...now/WinXPLockdown] === [Edit] An update on AdAware. When the lockdown page above was last updated, [link\|http://adaware.com\|http://adaware.com] redirected to [link\|http://web.archive.org/web/20040919102908/www.ada-ware.com/\|this]. You have to read very carefully to notice that you're not actually looking at AdAware. Note the light gray "sponsored" notation above each download link, then scroll to the bottom of the page to see what site you're really on. Lavasoft has since apparently gotten control of the domain name, as it now redirects to [link\|http://lavasoft.com\|http://lavasoft.com]. === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com] Edited by drewk Aug. 29, 2005, 09:22:46 AM EDT Expand All History
Post #221,376 by pwhysall 8/29/05 10:18:07 AM Reply	Ad-Aware Safety Go to [link\|http://www.lavasoft.de\|http://www.lavasoft.de]; it's the original domain. Peter [link\|http://www.ubuntulinux.org\|Ubuntu Linux] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #221,377 by folkert 8/29/05 10:19:43 AM Reply	The US specific version used to be: [link\|http://www.lavasoftusa.com\|http://www.lavasoftusa.com] -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* [image\|http://www.danasoft.com/vipersig.jpg\|\|\|\|]
Post #221,380 by drewk 8/29/05 10:37:41 AM Reply	WHOIS shows lavasoft.com is controlled by lavasoft.de === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]
Post #221,345 by static 8/29/05 3:04:20 AM Reply	Norton is not a good citizen. Normally, the only people I see who recommend it either sell it or weren't aware there were other anti-virus programs. In my experience, it wants to run your PC's security it's own way, come rain, hail or shine. As far as spyware protection goes, could I suggest [link\|http://www.pctools.com/spyware-doctor/\|Spyware Doctor]? ObDisclaimer: I work for this mob. It's not freeware like Spybot and AdAware, I'm afraid, but it's been getting good reviews for a while, now. Wade. Save Fintlewoodlewix
Post #221,411 by imqwerky 8/29/05 11:40:04 AM Reply	Thanks for the tip! Well, seeing as me helpmate is the Ultimate Geek(TM) around here, and he uses Norton, I just figgered it was The Best. Now we know differently. (Wink to the C-man). Will begin changeover posthaste. (Hopefully, can get pro-rata refund?) Peace, Amy " I tend to believe the great voices of peace throughout history {were} right, and this voice from this little hamlet here in Texas is absolutely wrong. The world is watching what you do here. It is important that you be calm, that you be peaceful, but you be firm. My grandmother {used to} say, \ufffdFight them \ufffdtil hell freezes over, and when hell freezes over, fight them on the ice.\ufffd Dallas Reverend Peter Johnson, former staff member of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference.
Post #221,412 by jbrabeck 8/29/05 11:41:25 AM Reply	Refund?!? Good luck. A good friend will come and bail you out of jail ... but, a true friend will be sitting next to you saying, "Damn...that was fun!"

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