Why don't you try being dominated for centuries, fellas

and then try to claw your way out of the Stone Age. The history of our gender goes way back to the point that we were merely chattel. And this existed for hundreds of years. Now, we made some significant progress in the US with the right to vote and the Pill, but as a general population, we are still trying to recover from our sordid past.

There still exists a distinct predjudice against women and there are very few who have the moxie to overcome that predjudice. The Archie Bunker mentality is still so prevalent that it makes me sick. Especially the Southern Baptist spin on "women are the servant to the man". Puhleeeze!

Blacks have an advantage over women because at least in their history, they started out as independent; some would even say royal because of their tribal structure. Women have never had that luxury. There are still parts of the world that time forgot. The Middle East is just such a place.

Now, one could argue that in the natural world, feminism or matriarchy as demonstrated by bees,lions, and other female-dominant species gives us a boost. But human female dominance is rare and the male scientists have given short shrift to these societies.

So, considering that females have been oppressed for generation after generation, one could draw the conclusion that there will always be throw-backs to that oppression. Those of us who are educated, strong-willed, and secure in our own skins...well, we are the ones who are paving the way for future generations to stop being victims and start believing in themselves.

Brain-washing takes a long time to be deprogrammed. I can't wait for the day when our global society makes a colossal paradigm shift: no glass ceilings, no "man is stronger than the woman" bullshit. We will evolve as a species and someday, women will not have to play second-fiddle to men, but be accepted for the bright, intelligent beings that we are and gender will not be a consideration, except for procreation.

Thank you for listening, vote affirmative.

Peace,
Amy

PS,
Most men can't handle strong women. They are scared to death of being "emasculated". Boo Hoo and get the hell over it. and don't call me a bitch either because if I were a man, you all would be giving me a punch on the shoulder going, "Right on, Dude".

. . that in ancient times a large part of society in the Mediterranian was lopsidedly female dominated - that the very concept of male dieties was brought by European invaders - and the local men, once introduced to the concept, took things to the opposite extreme? has that all been discredited now?

Or the goddesses of the Celt? "There is nothing more ferrocious than a Celt - except his woman" - Julius Ceaser. Yes, I have read "When God was a Woman" and various other books on the subject.

For sure the pagan religions of the Europeans considered men and women much more equal - the war between the Asir and the Vanir (the war between the sky gods and earth godesses - the war between men and women) was considered a draw. Women were still running major businesses in Germany during the Renaissance, to the consternation of visiting Italian traders.

In Egypt both religions coexisted side by side for thousands of years, even though attempts to reconcile the two and merge them failed - until the coming of Christianity.

I think your problem is, once again, the three revealed religions - Judaism and it's offspring Christianity and Islam. Nontheless, women still hold to these religions tenaciously, even more tenaciously than their menfolk do. Why?

Is this for the same reason women listen to those woman bashing talk radio shows?

Post #220,337 by imqwerky 8/21/05 7:18:59 PM 8/21/05 7:22:55 PM Reply	Why don't you try being dominated for centuries, fellas and then try to claw your way out of the Stone Age. The history of our gender goes way back to the point that we were merely chattel. And this existed for hundreds of years. Now, we made some significant progress in the US with the right to vote and the Pill, but as a general population, we are still trying to recover from our sordid past. There still exists a distinct predjudice against women and there are very few who have the moxie to overcome that predjudice. The Archie Bunker mentality is still so prevalent that it makes me sick. Especially the Southern Baptist spin on "women are the servant to the man". Puhleeeze! Blacks have an advantage over women because at least in their history, they started out as independent; some would even say royal because of their tribal structure. Women have never had that luxury. There are still parts of the world that time forgot. The Middle East is just such a place. Now, one could argue that in the natural world, feminism or matriarchy as demonstrated by bees,lions, and other female-dominant species gives us a boost. But human female dominance is rare and the male scientists have given short shrift to these societies. So, considering that females have been oppressed for generation after generation, one could draw the conclusion that there will always be throw-backs to that oppression. Those of us who are educated, strong-willed, and secure in our own skins...well, we are the ones who are paving the way for future generations to stop being victims and start believing in themselves. Brain-washing takes a long time to be deprogrammed. I can't wait for the day when our global society makes a colossal paradigm shift: no glass ceilings, no "man is stronger than the woman" bullshit. We will evolve as a species and someday, women will not have to play second-fiddle to men, but be accepted for the bright, intelligent beings that we are and gender will not be a consideration, except for procreation. Thank you for listening, vote affirmative. Peace, Amy PS, Most men can't handle strong women. They are scared to death of being "emasculated". Boo Hoo and get the hell over it. and don't call me a bitch either because if I were a man, you all would be giving me a punch on the shoulder going, "Right on, Dude". "The notion of limited government and frugal government has been shattered by this administration, which cares far less about limited government than it does in building conservative government - a government with huge payoffs to corporate America," Allan Lichtman, a presidential historian at American University in Washington. Edited by imqwerky Aug. 21, 2005, 07:22:55 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #220,338 by Andrew Grygus 8/21/05 7:42:20 PM Reply	Hmmm . . . what about the claims . . . . that in ancient times a large part of society in the Mediterranian was lopsidedly female dominated - that the very concept of male dieties was brought by European invaders - and the local men, once introduced to the concept, took things to the opposite extreme? has that all been discredited now? Or the goddesses of the Celt? "There is nothing more ferrocious than a Celt - except his woman" - Julius Ceaser. Yes, I have read "When God was a Woman" and various other books on the subject. For sure the pagan religions of the Europeans considered men and women much more equal - the war between the Asir and the Vanir (the war between the sky gods and earth godesses - the war between men and women) was considered a draw. Women were still running major businesses in Germany during the Renaissance, to the consternation of visiting Italian traders. In Egypt both religions coexisted side by side for thousands of years, even though attempts to reconcile the two and merge them failed - until the coming of Christianity. I think your problem is, once again, the three revealed religions - Judaism and it's offspring Christianity and Islam. Nontheless, women still hold to these religions tenaciously, even more tenaciously than their menfolk do. Why? Is this for the same reason women listen to those woman bashing talk radio shows? [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #220,339 by imqwerky 8/21/05 8:11:04 PM Reply	Answer to your question. huge popularity of abusive daytime talk radio among women Popular? By whose standards? Such programming is just another form of men trying to keep the wimmen down. Who is putting on such shows? Who is buying airtime to advertise during such shows? Surely not "you go girl" feminists. Although I must allow that battering and abuse are finally coming out of the shadows. If anything, these shows are cautionary tales to prevent women from making the same mistake. Airing dirty laundry is the hip thing to do these days. If such shows can help at least one woman leave her abusive relationship (which, I might add is probably due to a lack of a positive, significant father/male figure) then it has some redeeming value. Otherwise, it is just more dreck to fill up space by the radio stations. Harumph! Amy "The notion of limited government and frugal government has been shattered by this administration, which cares far less about limited government than it does in building conservative government - a government with huge payoffs to corporate America," Allan Lichtman, a presidential historian at American University in Washington.
Post #220,345 by boxley 8/21/05 8:47:09 PM Reply	If you took the time to study abusive relationships at the low end of the scale it is 50-50 which sex is the abuser. thanx., bill "the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #220,347 by Andrew Grygus 8/21/05 9:06:09 PM Reply	Unfortunately . . . . . the shows I've heard have nothing about bringing abuse out of the closet. They generally consist of some popular guy verbally abusing women who call in and verbally abusing the woman on the show and her agreeing with him. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #220,449 by jb4 8/22/05 2:18:53 PM Reply	I think that would be by ARBitron's standards... jb4 shrub●bish (Am., from shrub* + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf.* BULLSHIT
Post #220,340 by imqwerky 8/21/05 8:29:05 PM Reply	And, just for fun...Bitchology When I stand up for myself and my beliefs, they call me a bitch. When I stand up for those I love, they call me a bitch.. When I speak my mind, think my own thoughts or do things my own way, they call me a bitch. Being a bitch means I won't compromise what's in my heart. It means I live my life MY way. It means I won't allow anyone to step on me. When I refuse to tolerate injustice and speak against it, I am defined as a bitch. The same thing happens when I take time for myself instead of being everyone's maid, or when I act a little selfish. It means I have the courage and strength to allow myself to be who I truly am and won't become anyone else's idea of what they think I "should" be. I am outspoken, opinionated and determined. I want what I want and there is nothing wrong with that! So try to stomp on me, try to douse my inner flame, try to quash every ounce of beauty I hold within me. You won't succeed. And if that makes me a bitch, so be it. Perhaps I should embrace the title and be proud to bear it. B - Babe I - In T - Total C - Control of H - Herself B = Beautiful I = Intelligent T = Talented C = Charming H = Hell of a Woman B = Beautiful I = Individual T = That C = Can H = Handle anything Piece of my mind, Amy "The notion of limited government and frugal government has been shattered by this administration, which cares far less about limited government than it does in building conservative government - a government with huge payoffs to corporate America," Allan Lichtman, a presidential historian at American University in Washington.
Post #220,348 by Andrew Grygus 8/21/05 9:10:28 PM Reply	Kindly note . . . . . that I haven't called you a bitch, nor had the thought crossed my mind - but now that you've brought it up I'll keep it on file in case it ever becomes appropriate. [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #220,357 by imqwerky 8/21/05 10:29:57 PM Reply	I didn't say you did but if you are going to paint all women with the same brush, then turnabout is fair play, sweetie. I,OTOH, love men. I have found your breed fascinating and entertaining ever since I was about 4 years old (my personal age of reason). The interesting part is that the feeling was mutual because I always had more male friends than female and still do to this day. Apparently, in my younger days, the girls felt threatened by my friendships with boys (oh, Brother!) Only in my adult life have I found friendships with women to be satisfying. I guess it has something to do with joining the "Mom Club" and also finding other women who are not afraid to be themselves, rather than those who prefer to live by the same old tired paradigm of the Rah-Rah (read Cheerleader in high school) mentality. I'm honored that the thought didn't cross your mind. Otherwise, Critter would've had to kick your ass. :-D BTW, how old/young are you? I'm 43. Just wondering what generation to which you are referring. Peace, Amy "The notion of limited government and frugal government has been shattered by this administration, which cares far less about limited government than it does in building conservative government - a government with huge payoffs to corporate America," Allan Lichtman, a presidential historian at American University in Washington.
Post #220,359 by Andrew Grygus 8/21/05 10:36:04 PM Reply	Generation - I'm 62 [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #220,364 by imqwerky 8/21/05 10:51:53 PM Reply	Yep, fscked up generation, fer sure! My mother is 65. The crap that is consistent with that age bracket boggles my mind. "Martyr marriages". Victim mentality. Oy Vey! (eyes rolling). But I guess it has to do with their parents. Surviving a Depression can really put a family to the test and establish values that are severe to say the least. Only now (3 years after my dad's passing) does mom realize how much of her misery was her own doing. Regret consumes her. Pity. Wishing you peace, Amy "The notion of limited government and frugal government has been shattered by this administration, which cares far less about limited government than it does in building conservative government - a government with huge payoffs to corporate America," Allan Lichtman, a presidential historian at American University in Washington.
Post #220,344 by boxley 8/21/05 8:44:21 PM Reply	bodecai, Liz the 1st, czarina katherine, ravenolla, Mohawk's and all husbands who subject their wimmin shout loud....... that sound you here is crickets..... Like Frank the pimp always said, honey you were born sitting on a fortune. thanx, bill "the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #220,531 by imqwerky 8/22/05 10:13:44 PM Reply	This is getting way too weird... LRPD: "Somehow I picture Joan Rivers in a bitch fit." Ah, sweet humor! The leaven in the Bread of Life! Peace, Amy " I tend to believe the great voices of peace throughout history {were} right, and this voice from this little hamlet here in Texas is absolutely wrong. The world is watching what you do here. It is important that you be calm, that you be peaceful, but you be firm. My grandmother {used to} say, \ufffdFight them \ufffdtil hell freezes over, and when hell freezes over, fight them on the ice.\ufffd Dallas Reverend Peter Johnson, former staff member of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference.
Post #220,556 by boxley 8/22/05 11:59:40 PM Reply	well, just flip her over :-) "the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #220,594 by drewk 8/23/05 9:59:10 AM Reply	For $125/hour I'll do anything you want me to! === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]
Post #220,690 by broomberg 8/23/05 10:25:16 PM Reply	I had an interesting question along those lines Group therapy. The counselor said: What wouldn't you do for a million dollars? No repercussions other than your memory of the act. My answer: Line 'em up and I'll suck 'em off, or hand me an Uzi and I'll mow 'em down. Your choice. About 1/2 the people were in agreement with me, the other half horrified.
Post #220,692 by boxley 8/23/05 10:28:45 PM Reply	the uzi wouldnt leave such a bad taste in my mouth dont need a mill that bad now a decent blowjob regularly or a get out of jail free card for an uzi that would be a tough one. thanx, bill "the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #220,694 by boxley 8/23/05 10:30:08 PM Reply	I got six dollars, bend over for 3 minutes :-) "the reason people don't buy conspiracy theories is that they think conspiracy means everyone is on the same program. Thats not how it works. Everybody has a different program. They just all want the same guy dead. Socrates was a gadfly, but I bet he took time out to screw somebodies wife" Gus Vitelli Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #220,701 by drewk 8/23/05 11:20:40 PM Reply	For those who missed it, that was a LRPD === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]
Post #220,704 by imqwerky 8/23/05 11:36:18 PM Reply	Come on over, I gots a job or two for ya ;-) he he, i said "job". (Good lord, my kids are rubbing off on me!) Got a list of honeydo's a mile long. Critter is too busy for such mundane thangs. Bring it on, Babe! Laughing meself to Pieces, Amy " I tend to believe the great voices of peace throughout history {were} right, and this voice from this little hamlet here in Texas is absolutely wrong. The world is watching what you do here. It is important that you be calm, that you be peaceful, but you be firm. My grandmother {used to} say, \ufffdFight them \ufffdtil hell freezes over, and when hell freezes over, fight them on the ice.\ufffd Dallas Reverend Peter Johnson, former staff member of the Southern Christian Leadership Conference.
Post #220,785 by ben_tilly 8/24/05 4:24:11 PM Reply	As the wise man said... You gotta do honeydo if you want to do honey. Cheers, Ben I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)

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