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New For Todd, it was here:
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jb4 asked for counterexamples against "all Java applications are crap", and that's when Peter started his list. Whether or not that's what you said, that's the list Peter was presenting. :-)
Regards,

-scott anderson

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It would seem, therefore, that the three human impulses embodied in religion are fear, conceit, and hatred. The purpose of religion, one might say, is to give an air of respectibility to these passions. -- Bertrand Russell
     Thinkfree: Java-based MS-Compatible Office Suite. - (Another Scott) - (102)
         Cool! - (imqwerky) - (3)
             What's your verdict Amy? - (jbrabeck) - (2)
                 Not too shabby. - (imqwerky) - (1)
                     Please provide updates/impressions (new thread) - (jbrabeck)
         NeoOffice/J derivative? -NT - (pwhysall) - (2)
             Nope. Different code base. -NT - (tjsinclair) - (1)
                 Lordy, they're clueless. - (pwhysall)
         Not impressed so far - (pwhysall) - (94)
             Well,... - (mmoffitt) - (88)
                 Idiot. -NT - (pwhysall) - (84)
                     Brits have no sense of humor. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (83)
                         No, we laugh at funny things. - (pwhysall) - (82)
                             Yeah, but only Todd would have meant it -NT - (drewk)
                             Right. Java is great. - (mmoffitt) - (80)
                                 ICLRPD - (boxley)
                                 You're still an idiot, no matter how much you type. -NT - (pwhysall) - (69)
                                     That's the best you got? I'm convinced. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (68)
                                         Shrug. - (pwhysall) - (67)
                                             The best answer to anecdotes are counterexamples... - (jb4) - (66)
                                                 Azureus. Eclipse. NeoOffice/J. -NT - (pwhysall) - (64)
                                                     Google Earth looks very Java-ish, too. -NT - (pwhysall)
                                                     MoneyDance. - (admin) - (21)
                                                         2 3... -NT - (tuberculosis)
                                                         Yes, IntelliJ is the Bomb! - (jb4) - (19)
                                                             I use Eclipse for Perl - (pwhysall) - (16)
                                                                 Why? - (ben_tilly) - (15)
                                                                     Someone here uses Eclipse for Perl. - (admin) - (1)
                                                                         You aren't changing my impression... - (ben_tilly)
                                                                     Instant perldoc, compile-as-you-type, svn support, etc. - (pwhysall) - (11)
                                                                         And... - (ben_tilly) - (10)
                                                                             Re: And... - (pwhysall) - (5)
                                                                                 It was a productivity drain even when I was a beginner - (ben_tilly) - (4)
                                                                                     You Are Not Me - (pwhysall) - (3)
                                                                                         Oh, I understand that - (ben_tilly) - (2)
                                                                                             I'm puzzled. - (pwhysall) - (1)
                                                                                                 If you'll notice... - (ben_tilly)
                                                                             FWIW, 175Kloc of Java, no problems in Eclipse or IDEA here - (admin) - (3)
                                                                                 I think that you'd need language support for that... - (ben_tilly) - (2)
                                                                                     60Kloc Perl, works fine. -NT - (admin) - (1)
                                                                                         I'll bet it highlights some non-errors as errors. -NT - (ben_tilly)
                                                                     I've never heard of this language called "addition" ;-) -NT - (jb4)
                                                             non programmer raises hand - (boxley) - (1)
                                                                 "Pretty HTML front end" - (admin)
                                                     NetBeans. DBVisualiser. LimeWire. -NT - (Yendor) - (10)
                                                         No, Maybe, No idea -NT - (tuberculosis) - (7)
                                                             Just for funsies though-lets eliminate programming tools: 2 -NT - (tuberculosis) - (3)
                                                                 But Eclipse is more than a programming tool - (tonytib) - (2)
                                                                     So's emacs - also Mac version of Eclipse < Windows version -NT - (tuberculosis)
                                                                     Used a commercial program based on Eclipse a while ago - (admin)
                                                             In your opinion, perhaps. - (Yendor) - (2)
                                                                 If I thought NetBeans was decent, I wouldn'a paid $ for IDEA - (tuberculosis) - (1)
                                                                     IDEA >> NetBeans, or anything else. - (admin)
                                                         thanks - (Steve Lowe) - (1)
                                                             np - (Yendor)
                                                     1 for 3 -NT - (tuberculosis) - (29)
                                                         Hey, Todd. - (pwhysall) - (21)
                                                             Mostly used for enterprise, however - (tuberculosis) - (20)
                                                                 So it's a really short list? - (pwhysall) - (19)
                                                                     Oh very well - (tuberculosis) - (18)
                                                                         Why not ObjC: - (admin) - (17)
                                                                             My impression as well. - (Another Scott)
                                                                             Smalltalk in Objective C - (tuberculosis) - (1)
                                                                                 Fine. What does that have to do with anything else? -NT - (admin)
                                                                             Bah - disengaging - (tuberculosis) - (13)
                                                                                 Er, no. That wasn't the argument. - (admin) - (12)
                                                                                     Whose argument was that? - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                                                                                         For Todd, it was here: - (admin) - (1)
                                                                                             Ah. -NT - (mmoffitt)
                                                                                     Things were childish long before this - (tuberculosis) - (8)
                                                                                         Point missed again. -NT - (admin) - (1)
                                                                                             Poof -NT - (tuberculosis)
                                                                                         Who said a damn thing about development? - (pwhysall) - (5)
                                                                                             Hey Peter - (tuberculosis) - (4)
                                                                                                 That's a lot of words to say... - (pwhysall) - (3)
                                                                                                     3 lists posted - (tuberculosis) - (1)
                                                                                                         Come on up! - (jake123)
                                                                                                     I thought better of you Peter. (new thread) - (static)
                                                         Dunno what your problem with NeoOffice is. - (admin) - (6)
                                                             I don't even use regular office for anything - (tuberculosis) - (5)
                                                                 That's not a problem with NeoOffice - (admin) - (4)
                                                                     ICLRPD. (new thread) - (Another Scott)
                                                                     That and it takes too long to start - (tuberculosis) - (2)
                                                                         I leave apps running. - (admin) - (1)
                                                                             I don't -NT - (tuberculosis)
                                                 Jeti. Java-based Jabber client. - (n3jja)
                                 Re: Right. Java is great. - (admin) - (8)
                                     Say the last bit in Howard Dean's voice for full effect.HTH! -NT - (Another Scott)
                                     I'm with ya. - (mmoffitt) - (6)
                                         That's what you get for being a one-note fiddle. - (pwhysall) - (2)
                                             Not as hard as it does to be you. - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                                                 Ooh, politics. - (pwhysall)
                                         If that's the case... - (admin) - (2)
                                             That was over the top. - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                                                 Thanks. -NT - (admin)
                 Desktop Java sucks - (warmachine) - (2)
                     Oh, I dunno - (jb4) - (1)
                         Yeah, thanks. -NT - (CRConrad)
             That's it! I'm calling all your mothers... - (imqwerky) - (4)
                 OK, 1.2.3.PILE ON AMY!!! -NT - (ben_tilly) - (1)
                     LOL! -NT - (imqwerky)
                 cool down poppa, don't you blow your top... :-) - (cforde) - (1)
                     Don't tax my gig so hardcore, Cruster! - (imqwerky)

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