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New Not impressed so far
OX support for 3.0 is "coming soon", so I grabbed 2.3. The disk image file had ".exe" appended to the filename. Not a great start.

Basics like word counts don't work. A very simple Word document with a graphic didn't import correctly (the graphic disappeared). I created the most basic autocontent presentation in PowerPoint, and that didn't import correctly, as some of the background graphics (a shaded arc) were broken. Text didn't retain its formatting.

Reinvention of the desktop user interface (silly little toolbar thing) is not an endearing trait.

It's shot through with Windowsisms; for example, the current application preferences are at Tools|Options, there's a Help|About dialogue, and the File|Open dialogue is a clone of the Windows 2000 common file dialogue.

At the moment, your $40 is better spent on iWork (notwithstanding spreadsheet requirements) or being put towards Office 2004.


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New Well,...
It is written in Java. You didn't expect it to actually work did you?
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New Idiot.


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New Brits have no sense of humor.
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New No, we laugh at funny things.
"It's Java so therefore it doesn't work" isn't funny, it's just stupid.

Idiot.


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New Yeah, but only Todd would have meant it
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New Right. Java is great.
Rarely have I ever used a Java application that worked properly. Before Scott and the rest of the Java fans start yapping about "it's just bad code. Nothing wrong with the platform, etc. ad nauseum" I'm just talking about my experience - IBM's admin tools for example. They uniformly SUCK and I presume IBM has the cash to find at least modestly decent Java programmers. Write once, run ... nowhere. Unless of course you have an hour or two or something more than a Cray to run it on. How'd that port of WordPerfect Office to Java that Corel tried go? Oh, wait, I know, just wait for JDK 1.7.7.04! It'll be great, when its stable enough to do anything with. Which should be in, oh, say 50 years or so.

Seriously, the Java apologists are as bad as the Microsoft apologists...

[Edit] And another thing. Friendster.com dropped JSP in favor of PHP. Why? Because PHP works. JSP didn't. And yes, I know its two different, but related things.

But, you've created the best argument for Java I've heard. You've called me an idiot. What a compelling argument.
bcnu,
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Expand Edited by mmoffitt Aug. 15, 2005, 04:05:14 PM EDT
New ICLRPD
Seriously, the Java apologists are as bad as the Microsoft apologists...
heh,
thanx,
bill
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New You're still an idiot, no matter how much you type.


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New That's the best you got? I'm convinced.
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New Shrug.
I'm arguing on the internet with an idiot.

You've decided that all Java applications are crap.

Evidence? Schmevidence! We don't need no steenking evidence! We've got our anecdotes, right here! Software that is crap just because of the language it's written in!


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New The best answer to anecdotes are counterexamples...
...so, where are the counterexamples, Peter?
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New Azureus. Eclipse. NeoOffice/J.


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New Google Earth looks very Java-ish, too.


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New MoneyDance.
IntelliJ IDEA, too.
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New 2 3...



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"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them."   --Albert Einstein

"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses."   --George W. Bush
New Yes, IntelliJ is the Bomb!
Eclipse? Well, perhaps I've been spoiled by ED4W, but the user interface for Eclipse is (to steal a phrase) cack. Three different places to set the colors (for C++), and oh, that wonderful documentation-surrogate! A good idea, and probably the right platform for the project. But the execution rather blows.

But I will readily admit (because I have no axe to grind in that regard), that Eclipse's problems are not Java's fault.
jb4
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New I use Eclipse for Perl
Because the alternatives are all rather poor or rather expensive.

It's got preferenceitis (to be honest, if I couldn't set the colours, I'd be happier than with the set-it-here-set-it-there-set-it-bloody-everywhere thing they've got going) but its integration with svn is nice and the regex editor, whilst not as good as Kiki, is still better than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick. On-the-fly running gives you spot-your-fuckups-as-you-type which reduces debugging time.

I'm more productive with it than without it.


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New Why?
Around my office we're all pretty happy with the basics. About an even split between Emacs and vim, with one weird person using Visual SlickEdit.

None of us feels the need for anything resembling an IDE. (Though to be fair, the least experienced of us has several years experience programming in Perl, and many more years programming in addition.)

Cheers,
ben
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New Someone here uses Eclipse for Perl.
Autocompletion, stuff like that. Pretty useful if you're not an expert, which he isn't.
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New You aren't changing my impression...
that for a language like Perl, an IDE is aimed at helping non-experts, not experts.

Cheers,
Ben
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New Instant perldoc, compile-as-you-type, svn support, etc.
I thought I'd just said all that.


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New And...
we have command prompts with the first and last of those (one of the Emacs users built a lot of support into his Emacs install), and compile-as-you-type sounds to me like a productivity drain since often you *want* to leave stuff broken as you switch around. (When I used VB my number one complaint was that it would force me through a popup every time that I went elsewhere in the code while the current line was incomplete.)

I'd also have performance concerns when dealing with over 100K lines of code.

Cheers,
Ben
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New Re: And...
we have command prompts with the first and last of those (one of the Emacs users built a lot of support into his Emacs install), and compile-as-you-type sounds to me like a productivity drain since often you *want* to leave stuff broken as you switch around. (When I used VB my number one complaint was that it would force me through a popup every time that I went elsewhere in the code while the current line was incomplete.)

It sounds like a productivity drain to you, because you're an expert. I'm not, and it's not.
I'd also have performance concerns when dealing with over 100K lines of code.

So would I! It'd mean I'd be severely not doing my job. Programming is weenywork, and I Don't Do That.

Also, if there were 100K lines of code in the file I were dealing with, I'd be hunting down and killing twice the dumbass programmer who generated it.



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New It was a productivity drain even when I was a beginner
Because I was generally going to look somewhere else for information that I needed to put on that line. Like, say, what a variable was named. Or to select something to cut and paste.

As for 100K lines, that isn't one file. That's across the project. But since a lot of that is in modules that load each other, much of that would always be in memory if you're trying to incrementally recompile.

Cheers,
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New You Are Not Me
This is the part you are not understanding.


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New Oh, I understand that
I'm just pointing out a flaw in your theory about which difference between us resulted in a different impression of a specific feature.

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Ben
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New I'm puzzled.
Could you explain what theory of mine (apart from the (hopefully) self-evident one that you and I are not the same) has a flaw and why this makes you persist in wondering why I use Eclipse for Perl, despite the fact that I keep answering the question?

I'm serious. You've lost me here.


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New If you'll notice...
I stopped asking you that question after [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=219784|http://z.iwethey.org...?contentid=219784]. The theory that I was responding to was your assertion that incremental compiles sound like a productivity drain to me because I'm an expert. That's not true. They sound like a productivity drain because the implementation that I'm most familiar with sucked badly. (Badly enough for me to notice even when I was a novice.)

Cheers,
Ben
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New FWIW, 175Kloc of Java, no problems in Eclipse or IDEA here
Compile as you type generally means "highlight errors until you fix them", not "impede anything else until you fix them." VB (and VisualAge for Java, for that matter) was stupid about that.

Emacs is an IDE, btw, so saying someone using emacs had SVN support as a way of demonstrating that you don't need an IDE is, well, kinda off the mark.
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New I think that you'd need language support for that...
to work very well.

Perl doesn't do that. Despite some lip service, I think that Perl 6 won't either. The desire to make hooks available for use by editors is losing to the desire to allow people to do "interesting things" while compiling. (Where interesting can be anything up to and including changing the language on the fly.)

Cheers,
Ben
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New 60Kloc Perl, works fine.
Regards,

-scott anderson

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New I'll bet it highlights some non-errors as errors.
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New I've never heard of this language called "addition" ;-)
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New non programmer raises hand
what is the advantage of using java vs a pretty html front end that kicks off back end processes via a comms channel, and have a thin client relationship with screens redrawing on the clent and logic, queries etc back on the server?
thanx,
bill
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New "Pretty HTML front end"
There are a lot of applications that would absolutely suck in an HTML interface without a LOT of painful Javascript programming.

Note Google Maps, which uses DHTML for the easy stuff, and Java for the zoomy panny part.
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New NetBeans. DBVisualiser. LimeWire.
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New No, Maybe, No idea



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"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them."   --Albert Einstein

"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses."   --George W. Bush
New Just for funsies though-lets eliminate programming tools: 2



"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect"   --Mark Twain

"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them."   --Albert Einstein

"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses."   --George W. Bush
New But Eclipse is more than a programming tool
with the RCP (Rich Client Platform).

Note that Eclipse uses SWT, not Swing or AWT.

Tony
New So's emacs - also Mac version of Eclipse < Windows version



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"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them."   --Albert Einstein

"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses."   --George W. Bush
New Used a commercial program based on Eclipse a while ago
Visual Mining's NetCharts design tool is an Eclipse plugin.
Regards,

-scott anderson

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New In your opinion, perhaps.
In mine, the apps I mentioned are just fine, and fine examples of production-level, GUI-based Java programming. I find DBVisualiser to be the cleanest of the bunch, but I use NetBeans most often.

I have also used Eclipse for a while, and it too is a fine Java application. I don't use it for reasons that basically boil down to "Eclipse and all of its extensions still don't do a couple of the things that I want out of an IDE." Other than that, though, I find it a fine application.

Let's not forget that You Are Not The God Of All That Is Good And Right In The Java World. I'm not claiming that I am, either, mind you...I'm relating my experiences. And you saying "wrong" does not invalidate my experiences. I will also point you to [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=208591|this post] where [link|/forums/render/user?username=mmoffitt|mmoffitt] claims the same thing, but about a different topic.
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New If I thought NetBeans was decent, I wouldn'a paid $ for IDEA
cheap bastard that I am. Ditto Eclipse.



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"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them."   --Albert Einstein

"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses."   --George W. Bush
New IDEA >> NetBeans, or anything else.
Except Emacs, of course. :-)

I hope they fix the incremental search in IDEA some time. I might actually consider using it again.
Regards,

-scott anderson

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New thanks
hadn't played with DB Visualizer, looks cool. Also, [link|http://www.inetsoftware.de/products/crystalclear/|i-Net Crystal Clear reports] works pretty good.
--
Steve
New np
I've paid for it -- it's a much more powerful tool, allowing you to see, view, and change more parts of the database (Oracle, in my case) than the free version. I could be wrong, also, but I believe that the free version expires after 30 days. Use it enough, and you will become addicted...
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New 1 for 3



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"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses."   --George W. Bush
New Hey, Todd.
Where's the Big List Of Really Good SmallTalk Applications?


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New Mostly used for enterprise, however
Objective-C's debt to Smalltalk is basically why there are so [link|http://www.versiontracker.com/macosx/|many] of [link|http://guide.apple.com/index.lasso|these].

But wait, surely there are many times more Java developers than Objective-C people, right?



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Expand Edited by tuberculosis Aug. 16, 2005, 04:01:58 PM EDT
New So it's a really short list?
Someone asked for counterexamples to Mike Moffitt's droolings, and I provided some.

Long story short, notwithstanding ObjC, there's fuckall to show for the glory of SmallTALK on the desktop, which is what the point of this thread is - i.e. that a programming language can have decent apps written in it despite being a bit shite around the edges.

After all, an awful lot of software is written in C, which is structured assembler with flow control, and an awful awful lot of software is written in C++, which is structured assembler with flow control, objects and a squillion libraries.

An awful lot of awfully good software.


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New Oh very well
Why notwithstanding ObjC? Objective C is based on Smalltalk message sending. Hard to discount that. Also I'd guess that Java programmers outnumber Objective C developers at least 100 to 1. So why not 100 times the apps?

However: [link|http://www.cincomsmalltalk.com/BottomFeeder/|BottomFeeder], and [link|http://pongo.sourceforge.net/|Pongo], and of course, [link|http://opencroquet.org|Croquet] (which is not yet done but getting there) and then there's [link|http://squeakland.org|eToys] (educational thing).

Also I'd like to take a second to plug Stef's new book: [link|http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1590594916/102-4622213-5213710|Squeak. Learn Programming By Cotrolling Robots]. Great instructional text. You know, for kids.

Of course, I'd wager that J-heads outnumber Smalltalkers by at least 1000 to 1, so there really ought to be at least ten times more desktop apps that aren't programmer tools, don't cha think?



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"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses."   --George W. Bush
Expand Edited by tuberculosis Aug. 16, 2005, 05:55:15 PM EDT
New Why not ObjC:
ObjC isn't Smalltalk.

Sure, it has message sending, but that and a similar syntax (partially) is all it shares.

It doesn't share blocks, or repository-based development. The former is a nice thing about Smalltalk, and the latter is a suck thing.

In fact, I'd venture to say that one of the main reasons Smalltalk isn't used more is the repository. And for that reason you can't bundle up all the ObjC apps and say, "See! Smalltalk doesn't suck!" because that ain't Smalltalk for all practical purposes.

And on Java programmers outnumbering ObjC programmers: who cares? What percentage of Java programmers work on front-end vs. back-end? Ditto ObjC? I'll bet they're pretty much reversed.


So, a news reader, an MSN client (*shudder*, and still alpha), an unfinished framework, and eToys (which is cool).

And do you use any of these applications? BottomFeeder is fugly on Linux, worse than any Java program has been for years. Looks like old-style Motif. Blerch. Pongo looks better for some reason, but the same as it does on Windows. I thought you were the one bitching about ignoring platform UIs?

Let's check a few other things:

The BottomFeeder image is 25M(! -- repository based development again). Right after startup it's using 42M of resident RAM... 4th in the list after VMWare, Firefox, and X on my machine. iReport, a visual GUI for Jasper (Java reporting engine) is using 10M.

The Pongo image is 8.5M, and it uses 11M of RAM (about the same as Gaim, so no issues there, although Gabber is using 7M). By comparison, though, the Gaim binary is 732K.

So, you're saying, "these are desktop Smalltalk apps that don't suck", or just, "these are desktop Smalltalk apps"? 'Cause neither of them look all that great (and who needs an MSN-only client fer chrissakes?), whereas stuff like Azureus can be considered best-of-breed.
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New My impression as well.
In fact, I'd venture to say that one of the main reasons Smalltalk isn't used more is the repository.


That's been my impression as well. SmallTalk always sounded like a killer system back in the 1990s when I first started getting peripherally exposed to these things. But it was a turtle on reasonable PCs. IBM had a SmallTalk push for a while, but few took it seriously. Horror stories of corrupted repositories didn't help.

So its chance to have a big slice of the pie never really came. PCs that were powerful enough and cheap enough didn't arrive in time to prevent things like C++ and Java from grabbing all the interest.

If SmallTalk were able to make intelligent use of the network to grab objects as needed, so that one wouldn't need a 25 MB image file to make a, say, 500 kB application, then maybe it could have a phoenix-like rebirth.

(Yes, the above is ramblings from someone who hasn't used SmallTalk for more than a few minutes in playing with a demo version of a ST or two and who really doesn't know that much about it. But that hasn't stopped me, or many of us, from commenting before, has it?)

Cheers,
Scott.
New Smalltalk in Objective C
You can have a full Smalltalk language in Objective C.

Check out [link|http://fscript.org|http://fscript.org]



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"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them."   --Albert Einstein

"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses."   --George W. Bush
New Fine. What does that have to do with anything else?
Regards,

-scott anderson

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New Bah - disengaging
The argument was Java sucks - no apps, not Smalltalk sucks - no apps.

Objective C BTW, rocks - lots of apps. More per dev than Java.

Done.

Smalltalk is heavy in enterprise and lots of military simulation apps (JWARS for instance) which are client server GUI apps, but not shrink wrap. Big surprise.



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"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them."   --Albert Einstein

"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses."   --George W. Bush
New Er, no. That wasn't the argument.
The argument was "all Java desktop apps suck". To which a list was provided.

The Peter asked for a list of Smalltalk apps that don't suck. To which a list was provided. Now, if you want to provide a list, you'd better expect you're going to be asked to back up the "don't suck" part.

And you're not "done" until you address the % of Java developers working on back-end vs. front-end (non-web). If 1/100 (or whatever) Java developers are actually working on a front-end application (I'd be surprised), then you can start a comparison.

So don't spout, then run crying when someone calls "bullshit". That's childish.

Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New Whose argument was that?
Rarely have I ever used a Java application that worked properly.
[link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=219405|http://z.iwethey.org...?contentid=219405]

Rarely have I ever used... != I have never used... HTH.

My daughters both use (and I have on occasion) LimeWire and I've never had a problem with it. It loads reasonably quickly, has a nice intuitive interface, etc. For what it does, it's quite good. I know I apologized to you before, but ferchrissakes Scott, think about this for a second: You take my above sentence and imply that it is equivalent to, "All java desktop apps suck." Understand now why one might get the impression that there is at least some hypersensitivity around here concerning Java?

Me, I'm bailing before I start getting called all sorts of names again ;0)

[Edit: grammar]
bcnu,
Mikem

It would seem, therefore, that the three human impulses embodied in religion are fear, conceit, and hatred. The purpose of religion, one might say, is to give an air of respectibility to these passions. -- Bertrand Russell
Expand Edited by mmoffitt Aug. 17, 2005, 10:09:42 AM EDT
New For Todd, it was here:
[link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=219412|http://z.iwethey.org...?contentid=219412]

jb4 asked for counterexamples against "all Java applications are crap", and that's when Peter started his list. Whether or not that's what you said, that's the list Peter was presenting. :-)
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New Ah.
bcnu,
Mikem

It would seem, therefore, that the three human impulses embodied in religion are fear, conceit, and hatred. The purpose of religion, one might say, is to give an air of respectibility to these passions. -- Bertrand Russell
New Things were childish long before this
If we want to address non-desktop apps, then Smalltalk still wins as more productive - ie more useful code per developer working. Most Smalltalk apps are enterprise - client server deals. No Smalltalk is not good for shrinkwrap - neither is Java. I would say that the quality of what you get with Smalltalk, allowing for non-native GUI variation, is much higher per unit of effort than you get with Java.

I have a little firsthand knowledge of the general suckiness of Java for desktop apps, unlike the rest of you whiners, I've actually written one.

[link|http://homepage.mac.com/tblanchard|http://homepage.mac.com/tblanchard] - the JEOModeler app is written using Swing, it models schemas for use with WebObjects. I put quite a lot of work into it and, while it works well enough to do the job, for the level of effort expended, it sucks.

So I'd say I know a little bit about what I'm talking about WRT Java desktop app development sucking.

But none of this has anything to do with anything.

Exit, stage up.



"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect"   --Mark Twain

"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them."   --Albert Einstein

"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses."   --George W. Bush
New Point missed again.
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New Poof



"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect"   --Mark Twain

"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them."   --Albert Einstein

"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses."   --George W. Bush
New Who said a damn thing about development?
If programming Java applications meant that you had to stick pins in your face and hit yourself in the gonads with a hammer once an hour on the hour, it wouldn't alter the fact that there are good, nay excellent desktop applications written in Java.

The fact that programming SmallTalk is, apparently, akin to being gently fellated by angels doesn't alter the fact that you couldn't come up with a single non-arse desktop application.

Change the subject and then fuck off? You're turning into a politician. Or a manager.


Peter
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New Hey Peter
Fuck you. We were talking about Java. I granted you 2 apps that don't suck. I don't really need to defend Smalltalk, its made its mark and it remains the primary fount of innovation in the industry.

Given that Smalltalk isn't build to do native desktop apps, you might as well ask for fucking SQL desktop apps and proclaim it a load o shit as well.

Apparently your fucking google finger is broken. Pity thats all.

[link|http://www.whysmalltalk.com/production/index.htm|http://www.whysmallt...duction/index.htm]

'course, "apps" is rather a quaint concept when you think of it - precious few bits of smalltalk are bundled into "apps", they're just fucking objects that get added to the environment. Ripping them out into "apps" isn't exactly natural.

However, if you'd like to see a few "projects" [link|http://www.squeaksource.com|http://www.squeaksource.com] is the squeak project repository. Some are "apps" (email clients, jabber client, modeling tools) others are just libs. There's not a huge difference in Smalltalk.

[link|http://www.cincomsmalltalk.com/publicRepository/|http://www.cincomsma...publicRepository/] is for the visualworks platform.

You might also google 'jwars', its the fucking planning tool running the US military these days, its also written in Smalltalk but if you download it we'll have to fucking kill you. [link|http://www.caci.com/business/systems/simulation/jwars.shtml|http://www.caci.com/...ation/jwars.shtml]

Oh, and you can suck my dick.




"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect"   --Mark Twain

"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them."   --Albert Einstein

"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses."   --George W. Bush
New That's a lot of words to say...
..."I can't produce a list of non-cack desktop SmallTalk applications, but I'm too up my own arse to say so."



Peter
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New 3 lists posted
just click sonny boy

Also got this email today so ST market must be picking up:

Todd,

Good Evening!

There are several Smalltalk projects hiring right now. Some are long-term
contracts, others are employee positions


Here are some of them. Please let me know ASAP if you are interested in
pursuing any of them:

* New Jersey (contract 12+ months) - VisualWorks / Gemstone

* Ohio (contract, 4+ months) - solid Smalltalker needed to maintain and
enhance application. Familiarity with .NET is a plus.

* Toronto (contract, 6+ months) - Smalltalk developer needed

* Texas (employee) - Software firm seeks outstanding Smalltalk developers.

* Singapore (contract) - Work across the globe on an exciting project!

* NYC (employee): Smalltalk developers with high cognitive ability needed
on project for investment bank

ALSO: Smalltalk project need employees and/or consultants in
Michigan
Wisconsin
Georgia
Connecticut
Colorado
Additional Ohio and New Jersey

Please let me know which are of interest to you, and forward an updated
resume. Also, what your rate/salary requirements are.

I look forward to hearing from you!

List of apps follows

Airline and Travel

Navigant International/Northwest

Uses VisualWorks\ufffd\ufffd IDE and its web application development component, VisualWave, to deliver a web-based user interface written in Smalltalk.

Business to Business

PECUNET GmbH

PECUNET GmbH provides an independent business-to-business marketplace connecting insurance companies, financial service providers and brokers. It combines delivery of information, communication, and business transactions - all on one platform. PECUNET GmbH MetaEdit+ which is written in Smalltalk.

Call Centers

Benefit Center Desktop

Hewitt Associates' internal call-center reps are outfitted with a variety of additional software tools to help them answer complex questions phoned in by customers. As a launch pad for accessing these tools, the reps use the Benefit Center Desktop. Developed internally using IBM VisualAge for Smalltalk.

Communications

Ericsson Radio Systems

Ericsson is one of the largest communications companies in the world, manufacturing and distributing cellular telecommunications devices throughout the world. But a change in a key business process crippled communication between this high-tech giant and its suppliers. Ericsson turned to Cincom to help improve this process and develop a custom environment for managing the complete order and delivery process.

Construction

Condor Rebar Consultants Inc

Provides rebar detailing solutions for civil engineering projects all over the world. They use VSE and VisualWorks Smalltalk.

Customer Relations and Knowledge Management

Archi Knowledge Management Tool

Archi Knowledge Management Tool from Inspired. This web based multi-user full repository tool is fully written in IBM VisualAge for Smalltalk. It supports knowledge intensive collaborative work of professional in a campus, corporate or Internet environment.

Customer Relation Management (CRM)

CDM has sold a Customer Relation Management (CRM) application since 1995. The application is written in Visual Smalltalk Enterprise, and our customer base consists of several of the largest companies in the Scandinavia, with an estimated user base of 20,000. The application is highly customizable, and our customers frequently customize and extend it, by using drag&drop tools and by writing Smalltalk code. (Danish Website)

Education

ElastoLab

Simberon's first product, ElastoLab, is designed for kids 9 years old and up. It lets you explore the world of physics in a fun 2D environment. Build worlds with particles, springs elastics, gravity and wind. Then with a single click set them in motion in real time. You can even play with the world while it's running. ( Written in VisualWorks Smalltalk ) see also Developing ElastoLab in VisualWorks Smalltalk over C++ - David Buck of Simberon explains why he developed ElastoLab with VisualWorks over C++ .

Email

E-Man

As announced in comp.lang.smalltalk, Chris DeGreef has open sourced E-Man for VisualAge. E-Man is an email component that complies with several standards and gives your application the capability to send and receive email, including attachments. Michael Lucas-Smith of Wizard Information Systems has taken ownership and it is currently downloadable from his personal web site [link|http://www.spiritshigh.com/programming/projects/e-man/index.html|http://www.spiritshi.../e-man/index.html] , but Michael has announced that it will shortly be moving to the UIUC archive, as his time permits. It is licensed under both the LGPL and the FDL; check the web page for more information.

Export

Export Development Canada

Export Development Canada is a crown corporation of Canada. EDC uses a product written by Integral called UFS (Universal Financial Server) which has been enhanced by EDC. This system manages many different kinds of bonds calculating the coupon payments, foreign exchange rates, projected interest rates, etc. The system was originally developed in VisualWorks 2.5 ENVY. and was upgraded to VisualWorks 5i.1 ENVY and then to 5i.4 StORE.

Financial

Business Innovation Center (BIC) Sardinia S.P.A.

(In Italian) This web site uses and intelligent database management system written in Smalltalk.

Chubb

Chrysler

Payroll system

Deutsche Bank

Dunn and Bradstreet

Web based information serving app.

Graub\ufffd\ufffdndner Kantonalbank (GKB)

Most of the GKB information system solutions are the result of in-house development projects. To account for the demands concerning the system development required for the new front-office workplaces, Hansj\ufffd\ufffdrg Luzi (project manager at GKB) has opted for the installation of the ObjectStudio 6.0 beta version. Hansj\ufffd\ufffdrg Luzi described the benefits of the Cincom solution and the test installation very clearly: "By entering into the beta test phase, GKB gained a number of significant advantages. We were at the trigger right from the start and, thereby, we were able to influence the further development of ObjectStudio 6.0.

JPM

Multiple complex risk management packages

MarketPlaces

MarketPlaces offers a number of modular order management
systems specifically aimed at the professional trader. Using Smalltalk, MarketPlaces facilitates a flexible response to changing market demands. MarketPlaces contains platform-independent front- and mid-office modules and is internet enabled.

Ontario Teacher's Pension Fund

Part owner of Toronto Maple Leafs and Toronto Raptors, one of the largest pension funds in Canada

SailFish

Risk Management software

Scotiabank

Big IBM VisualAge Banking Application

TradePerformance\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd

is a full life-cycle management tool for active stock market investors, offering planning, management, tracking, record keeping and tax reporting features in an intuitive, easy to use and graphically pleasing package. Written entirely in Smalltalk, the TradePerformance\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd team chose Dolphin Smalltalk from Object Arts Ltd based in London, England.

"For maximum productivity, Smalltalk is the only way to go", says Steve Geringer, CEO. "If we were using any other language, we would still be struggling with compiler errors". For more information please visit our website at: [link|http://www.TradePerformance.com|http://www.TradePerformance.com]

Zagreb Stock Exchange

The ZSE contains two mission critical applications running in Smalltalk for several years: MOST the central trading system of the ZSE, and MOSTich the real time feed over the internet. Written in Dolphin Smalltalk with Smalltalk/X as the application server.

Games and Gaming

CoolPool

CoolPool is a freeware 3D billiards game developed using Dolphin Smalltalk by creative-computing-inc.com. The new version provides improved texturing and shadows. All demo games were developed using ST3D and Dolphin Smalltalk.

Grudge Match Pool

Grudge Match was developed using Dolphin Smalltalk and ST3D.

Lunar Lander

Lunar Lander is a freeware 3D game developed using Dolphin Smalltalk by creative-computing-inc.com. All demo games were developed using ST3D and Dolphin Smalltalk.

The Simple Game (Soccer)

Creative Computing have released a new game, "The Simple Game" (Soccer), that was built in Dolphin Smalltalk.

SpaceWar for Squeak Smalltalk by Robert Hirschfeld

After reading Stewart Brand's famous SPACEWAR article (Rolling Stone, 7 December 1972), especially after I found the Smalltalk-72 code fragments at the end of it, I got exited about that game. So, I decided to use it as a starting point for a little prototype to explore Squeak's Morphic.


Government

State of Wisconsin Department of Revenue

One of the world's oldest professions, collecting taxes, recently received a facelift in the state of Wisconsin. The state's Department of Revenue is responsible for processing and auditing taxes, including sales, withholding, income, corporation, and other tax types. To ensure the state receives its largest source of revenue, it has implemented an advanced component-based system for recovering delinquent taxes using Cincom's ObjectStudio.

Swedish Tax Administration

Based on their positive experience from developing applications using Smalltalk in Cincom's ObjectStudio, the choice was easy when the Swedish tax authorities quickly needed an application for the important task of examining company VAT and social fee declarations.

Health Care

Genesis Health Ventures

Our designer created an artificial intelligence engine that learns to recognize physician instructions and on which reports the instructions should appear. Normally it takes six months of training to teach a person to carry out the same tasks. With people carrying out this task, error rates as high as 40% are not uncommon, and 20% is considered really good. After 2 days of training the artificial intelligence engine was able to consistently perform with an error rate of less than 15%. This engine was written in Smalltalk.

Health Objects

HealthObjects Our architect designed a revolutionary predictive caching technique that learns the order in which data is retrieved from their Oracle database and retrieves the information before it is even requested. This technique helps their revolutionary IntelliRx 2000 Advanced Pharmacy System fill prescription orders at speed unheard of in the industry. IntelliRx is written in Smalltalk.

Upgene

A software implementation for codon optimization was developed using the IBM VisualAge for Smalltalk software (IBM, Armonk, NY). Using object-oriented analysis and design methodologies, areas of responsibilities were designed that identified and described a sequence, an enzyme, a codon, the task of optimizing a sequence, the task of formatting both an optimized sequnce and primers, the interface to an external file system, and the different graphical user interface components used to display data. For each area of responsibility, a corresponding Smalltalk class was implemented, and it's functionality was tested. Enzymes and codon probability distributions data was stored in files.

WindoPath

Pathology Software written in Smalltalk. WindoPath 4.0, with over 350 new features is designed to optimize workflow, use of system resources, ease of use, ease of support, and ease of customization.

Information Design Tasks and Neural Networks

ARTware

Designed under the design principle called ART (Amplifying Representational Talkback), and developed in VisualWorks Smalltalk 2.5/3.0/5i.1, 5i.2, 5i.3 and 5i.4. ARTware currently consists of the following four systems: ART#001 for collage-style writing, ART#002 for notes summarization, ART#003 for multimedia data analysis, and ART#004 for movie editing. ARTware is built based on the Jun library.

FuzzyWold:

FuzzyWorld is implemented in the Smalltalk environment (VSE) which EDOR pioneered in Italy, and is a classes framework bound to the creation of Fuzzy Sets (FS) and neural networks.

Insurance

American Nuclear Insurers

Many of the policy processing, engineering support, claims support and general accounting systems are produced in VisualAge Smalltalk.

Computer Sciences Corporation (CSC)

CSC uses the reinsurance application SICS/nt. SICS/nt is built with IBM VisualAge for Smalltalk. It consists of approx. 12,000 classes with a relational database of 650 tables. Users can access approx. 7-800 windows. The system is used as the mission critical system by many of the largest reinsurance companies in the world, with up to 2,000 users per company.

Geico Direct

GEICO Online Rate Quote. Geico\ufffd\ufffd\ufffds online rate quote system uses frameworks developed by our architects. Get a quote from their system and you will see our code in action. This system uses Smalltalk.

John Deere Insurance

John Deere Insurance provides commercial property and casualty insurance for many companies in a variety of industries across the United States. To provide superior customer service in a dynamic business environment, the company created an innovative Customer Satisfaction System using the component-based approach of Cincom's ObjectStudio.

Policy Works

Policy Works is a web-enabled desktop application for creating and managing commercial insurance policies. It is used by insurance companies, broker groups, and individual brokerages across Canada. Created in Visual Smalltalk.
St. Paul

Insurance company that uses VisualAge Smalltalk.

Internet/Web Based

Information Space

Information Space is a causal set exploration tool. A causal set is basically a set of simple rules that define the relationship between bits in a space time. A common example of this is John Conway's game of life. I use the term Information Space to encompass space, time, causal rules, and initial conditions together as one. An information space is the structure of bits in a static space time, as defined by the causal set rules and initial conditions.

RipClip

Rip Clip is an offline browsing tool written in Dolphin Smalltalk focused more on article extraction, as opposed to web site extraction. Smalltalk was chosen to develop Rip Clip because of its productivity gains due to its ability to easily capture and express the problem domain. Dolphin Smalltalk was chosen because of its tight integration with Windows, clean/efficient development environment, and the small footprint of the executables that it produces.

Manufacturing and Engineering

ControlWORKS

ControlWORKS is the leading object-oriented, next generation control application development environment in the semiconductor equipment market. ControlWORKS is written in VisualWorks Smalltalk by Adventa Control Technologies.

Romax Technology

SVG Lithography Systems

SVG Lithography Systems began its move to object-oriented technology by evaluating Smalltalk and C++ to determine which language was best suited to their needs. The development team's background was in C, so C++ seemed a natural migration. The syntax for C++, however, proved to be more complicated than Smalltalk, which offered additional benefits, such as robustness, mature class libraries, and a suitability for modeling complex data that C++ did not. The team chose Smalltalk.

Texas Instruments

Uses ControlWORKS written in VisualWorks Smalltalk for wafer manufacturing. ControlWORKS is by Adventa Control Technologies.

Mobile Phone Software

Nokia

Nokia develops mobile phone software with MetaEdit+ which is written in Smalltalk. Nokia decided to undertake the development of their own solution using a metaCASE tool. Among a number of metaCASE tools evaluated, MetaEdit+ was selected: "It was the most flexible, allowed us to define our own design syntax quickly, and test ideas quickly while developing the method," summarized David Narraway. Report generation capabilities and links to code generation were also highly valued.

Music

AudioExplorer

AudioExplorer is a tool to explore the physics of music.

Kyma by Symbolic Sound

Kyma is a fast and powerful sound synthesis system written in VisualWorks Smalltalk.

News Readers

BottomFeeder

BottomFeeder is an RSS Viewer that reads RSS formatted feeds.

Office, Accounting and Administrative

CINECA: CIA ( Contabilita' Integrata per l' Ateneo )

Developed by IBM Italy, it is an integrated accounting system for the Italian University. Integrated means that the package is made by several modules (balance sheet, billing system, travel expenses reimbursement, compensations, asset management, budget, customers and suppliers archives). The architecture is a two tier client-server with a Win32 fat client and an Oracle data server. The client is developed with VisualAge Smalltalk. CIA was successfully installed in production since 1/1/2000 and is now used by about 50 university with about 2500 clients.

EBC Informatique

EBC Informatique and Cincom share a common view of the trend towards flexible, high-quality architectures. ObjectStudio is thus the natural complement to the company's integrated sales, production and accounting software product. Cincom offers new distribution, workflow management and Internet access capabilities, providing EBC Informatique with a strong foundation for future development.

OfficeTalk by JOOPS Informationtechnik GmbH

OfficeTalk is a generic system for defining and controlling processes, records, vouchers, etc. It supports companies- and business-processes of all kind. OfficeTalk is based on VisualWorks \ufffd\ufffd Smalltalk from CINCOM \ufffd\ufffd. www.joops.com is in German. OfficeTalk document in English. A trail version is located at [link|http://www.joops.com/JDownlF.htm|http://www.joops.com/JDownlF.htm]

Silber Plan - Silber SW uses VisualAge Smalltalk for Silber plan


Oil and Gas Industry

GeoKnowledge

GeoKnowledge is a vendor of leading-edge decision support solutions for the upstream oil & gas industry. Established in 1985, our objective is to assist petroleum companies, governments and industry suppliers worldwide in evaluating risks, resources and economic value in exploration and development projects.

The integrated GeoX family of petroleum exploration tools provides a scalable, flexible and integrated decision support solution for prospectivity and economic analysis of oil and gas exploration opportunities. GeoX is developed in VisualWorks Smalltalk.

Northern Natural Gas

Smalltalk is mission-critical at Northern Natural Gas in the gas scheduling nomination system. Shippers transport 4 billion cubic feet/day through the 16 thousand mile pipeline in which every order is placed through the Distributed Smalltalk application.

PetroVR

Caesar Systems is the home of Petroleum Ventures & Risk {PetroVR} business simulation software, developed specifically for the upstream oil and gas industry. While the interface is enhanced with many added features, the underlying "engine" of PetroVR 3.1 has been completely revamped. The benefit: faster execution, even smoother workflow, and much greater flexibility in defining input parameters. The suite is created with Visual Smalltalk Enterprise and will soon include Gemstone/S technology.

Production Line, Process Control, and Manufacturing

Adventact

This is the new home of ControlWorks in Texas. They have software to help with semiconductor fabrication as well us other factory oriented Applications. I believe it is all in VisualWorks.

Honda of Canada - Assembly line management software. This is the same framework used by Mistubishi.

Key technology

Key is bowling over the competition with VisualWorks Smalltalk.

KnowledgeScape

The KnowledgeScape product was written in VisualWorks 3.0 and has been ported to VisualWorks 5i.4. KnowledgeScape is an Adaptive Optimization and Control Software Package developed for process control. Its architecture has been patented and it won the 2002 Editor's Choice Award from Control Engineering Magazine. It has been widely used in the Mineral Processing Industry to optimize metal production.

Mitsubishi

Controls the robotics of the production line.

Texas Instruments

Wafer fabrication lines driven with Smalltalk.

Volkswagen Beetle

The proprietary online factory information system (FIS) controls which cars are produced on the factory floor based on incoming orders, which are sent to Germany from all VW operations worldwide and then funneled to the FIS in Mexico via SAP R/3. Built in C++ and Smalltalk, the FIS also executes on-the-fly manufacturing changes based on shifting worldwide forecasts, just-in-time parts availability and promotions.

Qualitative Data Analysis

ATLAS.ti

A powerful workbench for the qualitative analysis of large bodies of textual, graphical, audio and video data. It offers a variety of tools for accomplishing the tasks associated with any systematic approach to "soft" data, e.g., material which cannot be analyzed by formal, statistical approaches in meaningful ways. Written in VSW

Reasoning

Cased Based Reasoning Works

CBR-Works is a professional and full-featured state-of-the-art Case-Based Reasoning tool. CBR-Works 4 is currently used for developing industrial CBR solutions, as stand-alone application or on the Internet. CBR-Works is written in VisualWorks/VisualWave Smalltalk.

Research and Development

Farm Systems Simulation Framework

The Dexcel Whole Farm Model (WFM) is a research tool for investigating dairy systems. It consists of models for cow metabolism, pasture growth, climate and management. The models communicate through a framework, called Farm Systems Simulation Framework (FSSF) written in VisualWorks Smalltalk.

Hylands Underwater Vehicles

HUV is a small, privately-owned research & development company that focuses on very small autonomous underwater vehicles (AUVs), and the software, written in PIC/Smalltalk, that runs them.

LLNL

Huge distributed Data warehousing system.

Robotics

Bot-Kit

A robot control system for use with the LEGO\ufffd\ufffd MindStormsTM or CybermasterTM and the powerful, but easy to use, Dolphin Smalltalk programming environment. Bot-Kit is a robot control system that allows you to program and control robots built from LEGO Technic elements using your PC. Bot-Kit is available free of charge with full installation and programming instructions on the web site.

Servers

AIDA/Web

AIDA/Web is a Smalltalk Web Application Server and a framework for dynamic Internet and Intranet applications. It contains a real HTTP server (no CGI) and can serve static as well as dynamic HTML pages.

Shipping and Tracking

FedEx

In order to develop a distributed system, FedEx turned to Distributed Smalltalk. In 1993, FedEx began using the VisualWorks development environment for the creation of other applications within the company - notably a customer service application that is currently deployed at more than 2,500 seats. The company's IS personnel quickly recognized that Smalltalk was the first environment that provided the power necessary to handle the types of complex domain objects found in the company's delivery tracking system. They also realized that Smalltalk's relatively simple learning curve made it ideal for quickly transitioning its existing FedEx COBOL programmers to a new environment.

FedEx Ground

FedEx Ground, formerly RPS, based in Pittsburgh, PA, has used VisualAge Smalltalk as a software development tool since 1996, to develop a fat-client two-tier GUI application connected to a AS/400-based database server. The application is a CRM application used at a call center. The GUI app is just about to be replaced by a CRM product called Clarify, but the server component that retrieves data from the AS/400 and objectises the data is still in Smalltalk. The Smalltalk objects are eventually serialized in XML format and displayed by the client.

OOCL

OOCL is a major containerized shipping company, has developed a system called IRIS-2 in VisualWorks and Gemstone to schedule and track containers on ships worldwide.

Software and Programming Solutions

Avesta Technologies

Avesta Technologies in New York provides IT management solutions that enable organizations to better monitor and control availability and performance of their enterprise IT services. VisualWorks was a key factor that contributed to Avesta's success in quickly reaching the market with this new technology. "Speed is always a priority when you're trying to grow value quickly," Kostes said. "When you can complete product development more efficiently with tools like VisualWorks, you can introduce the product faster or offer more features. Either way it provides a direct competitive advantage."

Liberty Basic

Liberty BASIC is a programming language implemented in VisualSmalltalk. It is marketed to the education and hobbyist markets.

LingoMotors, Inc.

Natural language drives search engine with Cincom Smalltalk VisualWorks.

MetaEdit+ metaCASE from MetaCase Consulting

MetaEdit+ metaCASE tools allows you to make a visual modelling language and generators for your application domain, use it to design your application, then generate the full application code from the models.

Telecom

Bell Atlantic

NYNEX

Bell South

MCI

Avesta

USWest

Testing Environments

Silvermark

SilverMark, Inc. provides products and services that increase the efficiency of software developers and the quality of the products they deliver. Their core expertise includes automated testing, Object analysis and design, patterns, Smalltalk dialects, and much more.

Transportation & Logistics

Deutsche Bahn AG

A German railway company relies heavily on VisualWorks Smalltalk 2.5.1 and Distributed Smalltalk 5.6.

FedEx

In order to develop a distributed system, FedEx turned to Distributed Smalltalk. In 1993, FedEx began using the VisualWorks development environment for the creation of other applications within the company - notably a customer service application that is currently deployed at more than 2,500 seats. The company's IS personnel quickly recognized that Smalltalk was the first environment that provided the power necessary to handle the types of complex domain objects found in the company's delivery tracking system. They also realized that Smalltalk's relatively simple learning curve made it ideal for quickly transitioning its existing FedEx COBOL programmers to a new environment.

FedEx Ground

FedEx Ground, formerly RPS, based in Pittsburgh, PA, has used VisualAge Smalltalk as a software development tool since 1996, to develop a fat-client two-tier GUI application connected to a AS/400-based database server. The application is a CRM application used at a call center. The GUI app is just about to be replaced by a CRM product called Clarify, but the server component that retrieves data from the AS/400 and objectises the data is still in Smalltalk. The Smalltalk objects are eventually serialized in XML format and displayed by the
client.

Universities

New Jersey Institute of Technology

They have a Computerized Conferencing and Communications Center that has been developed in Smalltalk.

Penn State University

"Cincom's VisualWave is the first product that puts a full-blown, object-oriented development environment behind the Web page," Blythe says. "VisualWave enabled us to put our client/server application on the Web with very little effort."

Purdue University

VisualWorks was used to develop the foundation for the integrated student services system. The first system built was the student Recruitment System. Its implementation included a significant amount of infrastructure and application frame-works that were reused in the Student Services Information system.

Utility

Florida Power and Light

Keyspan Energy

Video and Television

VideoDoc: VideoDoc is an electronic documentation system that combines text and video. It was built using Dolphin Smalltalk.

VideoDoc is a CD-based electronic documentation system tailor-made for subjects that deal with motion and complex processes. For example:

Sports and physical fitness instruction (soccer, golf, baseball, martial arts, aerobics, plyometrics)
Do-It-Yourself (DIY) guides (home improvement/repair, auto repair, painting)
Training guides (equipment operation, procedures and processes, user manuals)
Web and Desktop Tools

Croquet

Croquet is a next generation virtual OS written in Squeak.

EzBoard

ezboard.com founder Vanchau Nguyen is not afraid to take a gamble. And he\ufffd\ufffd\ufffds bet his company, and his future, on Cincom Smalltalk.

"A safe gamble," he says, considering the company got its initial start from winnings at a Reno craps table.

Today, with nearly 2 million registered users, ezboard has emerged as a leading online community site. The business that started on a laptop has grown to more than 30 application servers running the application built in Cincom Smalltalk.

Dunn and Bradstreet - Web based information

FolderScavenger Pro

FolderScavenger Pro makes it easy to print folder listings, or copy folder listings to the clipboard and paste them into Word, Excel, or any Windows application. It's easy to filter listings by file name, and to capture the contents of subfolders. You can select the format for paths, file date and time stamps, and many other aspects of the folder listings. FolderScavenger Pro lets you specify if you want to capture the information as simple text, comma-separated records, or tab-delimited data. By creating style templates, you can turn folder lists into XML, HTML, or a number of custom text formats. You can even convert directory listings into MySQL files.

Just Basic

Just BASIC is a programming language for the Windows operating system. It is completely free and it is suitable for creating all kinds of applications for business, industry, education and entertainment. Just BASIC borrows many features from our popular commercial product Liberty BASIC.

Because Just BASIC is based on the classic BASIC programming language it is easy to learn, and it has been extended with structured programming facilities and with easy to use GUI commands so you can create your own Windows programs without needing to learn all the underlying details of the Windows operating system.:

TemplateTamer

TemplateTamer is a web application development tool for creating and maintaining a template based dynamic PHP web applications, with clearly and completely separated code from the html design. As such it is a great tool for complex dynamic sites, especially where Designers and Programmers work together on the creation of the site. TemplateTamer is developed with Dolphin Smalltalk 5.0 Professional, and it's "ToGo" deployment to produce shrink wrapped Windows application.

Tsunami

From www.ocit.com , Tsunami is an application deployment framework written in VisualWorks

Web Hosting

Web hosting service that is powered by a Content Management System, built with IBM
VAST and MySQL. The current production system runs on Linux and Apache,
but different platforms are also possible as it is based on the Web
Connection feature.

Xoology Coda

A full syntax parsing editor/debugger. Available as a stand alone editor at no cost, and as part of the Concerto application server, this powerful package has a comprehensive knowledge of JavaScript, HTML, XHTML, and XML and, where appropriate, tightly integrates with the Concerto server. Written in Visual Smalltalk.

Angelic Software
sergo@angelicsoftware.com
Our students using Smalltalk at training courses in University.
Novouralsk, Russia - Wednesday, July 06, 2005 at 10:10:35 (PDT)
SAPPER INSTITUT
kontakt@sapper.de
We are using Smalltalk since 1995 for our Complianceapplications (banks, insurance, trade)
Kempen, Gernany - Wednesday, June 29, 2005 at 02:56:15 (PDT)
Andy van Tol
avantol@wyoming.com
Using PP-D VS for real-time medical data collection of pulmonary function, custom graphics pkg for reporting, multi-user OODB for clinics, TCP/IP internetworking for drug studies. Wyoming/Arizona USA
Saratoga, Wyoming USA - Saturday, June 25, 2005 at 16:35:50 (PDT)
SAPPER INSTITUT
kontakt@sapper.de
We are using Smalltalk since 1995 for several applications (banks, insurance, Compliance)
Kempen, Germany - Sunday, June 19, 2005 at 07:42:34 (PDT)
conessa
Smalltalk consultancy based in Luxemburg. We specialize in smalltalk based web applications. We update your existing smalltalk application to a web application using our framework.
Luxemburg - Tuesday, June 07, 2005 at 08:27:39 (PDT)
I nest
anands@inestinfotech.com
We Provide best Training on Small Talk you can send your enquiry to my mail id. Anand
Chennai, Tamil Nadu I N D I A - Saturday, June 04, 2005 at 04:41:06 (PDT)
Moretech
shakoush2001@yahoo.com
Actually we do Smalltalk programs for freeware projects,Iam a student of the OU and Smalltalk was the first programming language I learned Iam still in love with it
Beirut, Lebanon - Sunday, February 27, 2005 at 10:11:52 (PST)
Ralphs Grocery Company
We develop applications using Smalltalk Object Studio for the financial and marketing departments.
Los Angeles, CA USA - Monday, December 20, 2004 at 13:14:56 (PST)
Xidion Informatics & Consulting Ltd liab. Co
info@xidion.ch
We are developing applications especially for banks and insurances and web applications with Smalltalk. We are doing Smalltalk since 1989 with the first Digitalk/V implementation.
Zurich, ZH Switzerland - Saturday, December 18, 2004 at 13:01:35 (PST)
NeighborCare
VisualWorks used for pharmaceutical app called inTelli.Rx
Baltimore, MD USA - Tuesday, December 07, 2004 at 17:46:57 (PST)
Objective Solutions
giba@objective.com.br
We are developing CRM & Billing systems in Smalltalk since 1995 for Telecom business. Our software manager a subscriber base greater than 1 million of subscribers and is considered one of the best Billing softwares over the world. Besides, It has more than 450 attendees using simultaneously our CRM.
S\ufffd\ufffdo Paulo, S\ufffd\ufffdo Paulo Brazil - Thursday, December 02, 2004 at 10:47:23 (PST)
Tactix Consulting Group
Provider of software-assisted educational tools, used VisualAge smalltalk in 1996.
Cincinnati, OH USA - Tuesday, November 09, 2004 at 17:01:19 (PST)
APIS Informationstechnologien GmbH
peter.rosenbeck@tkb.de
Standard Software for Risk Analysis, mainly used in the automotive and medical industries. More than 500 companies with several thousand users have bought licences. Development started in 1989 with the first Digitalk implementation. We have been using ENVY/Developer since 1992.
Woerth/Do., Germany - Wednesday, August 18, 2004 at 06:05:34 (PDT)
IVA Systems (P)Ltd
contact@ivasystems.com
IVA Systems constitutes expertise group of developers specialized in development of enterprise driven application projects utilizing standalone and client server model architecture. Areas of Expertise Our Technical Experience includes: Smalltalk,C++,SSP,JSP, ASP, .Net, Oracle, SQL, DB2, PostgreSQL, MySql, XML, Developer 2000 etc.
Trivandrum, Kerala India - Saturday, August 14, 2004 at 09:49:57 (PDT)
netstyle.ch
info@netstyle.ch
We are developing business Web-Applications with Smalltalk
Berne, Switzerland - Thursday, December 18, 2003 at 17:43:26 (PST)
Natural Health Treatment Center
webmaster@natural-health-treatment.com
using smalltalk for our health center under proposal.
Chennai, TN IN - Thursday, November 13, 2003 at 01:34:43 (PST)
APIS Informationstechnologien GmbH
peter.rosenbeck@tkb.de
Standard Software for Risk Analysis, mainly used in the automotive and medical industries. More than 500 companies with several thousand users have bought licences. Development started in 1989 with the first Digitalk implementation. We have been using ENVY/Developer since 1992.
Woerth/Do., Germany - Wednesday, August 18, 2004 at 06:05:34 (PDT)
Online Business Solutions
webmaster@theonlineadvantage.com
We have a sister software concern in the name of Online Business Solutions, where we have just started using smalltalk. Right now we are working on with some in-house projects.
Chennai, TN INDIA - Saturday, November 08, 2003 at 06:41:46 (PST)
INFOIL
acc(@)infoil.com.ar
Smalltalk software for the Oil Production and Well Drilling Industry.
BUENOS AIRES, -- ARGENTINA - Tuesday, November 04, 2003 at 16:15:27 (PST)
TeleDirect International
jobs@tdirect.com
Diehard Smalltalk shop that makes PC-based computer telephony call center solutions. Been doing Smalltalk since 1998. Smalltalk MT is used for the server components, and VAST/WBPro for their client applications. Always looking for Smalltalk talent.
Scottsdale, AZ USA - Wednesday, October 29, 2003 at 12:50:07 (PST)
PhilemonWorks
info@philemonworks.com
Uses Smalltalk in consulting, training and development of tools such as SUMO, Avalanche, Melrose, TerminalWidgets, WebTool. OMG Certified UML Professionals
Amersfoort, - The Netherlands - Saturday, September 20, 2003 at 06:29:33 (PDT)
Wells Fargo
Uses Smalltalk for their Home Equity system. They use Object Studio Smalltalk for a rules engine and VisualAge Java and JSP for the UI.
Colorado Springs, CO USA - Thursday, September 18, 2003 at 14:40:32 (PDT)
Horizon Blue Cross Blue Shield of New Jersey
Since 1996, IBM Global Services has been developing systems for Horizon using IBM VisualAge for Smalltalk. Even though Horizon has declared itself a Microsoft .NET only development shop (previously was Java only), as far as I know, there is still active development and continual maintenance being currently done using VisualAge versions 3.0, 4.02b, and 5.5. They had recently posted an opening on several job search sites for a developer for their n-tier SST Rating and Underwriting application called IRIS. They may still be looking for people. Sorry, I don't know the rate they were offering.
Newark, NJ USA - Thursday, September 11, 2003 at 02:57:35 (PDT)
Rational Software Corp
Smalltalk is used to create part of RequisitePro, the requirements management tool
USA - Tuesday, September 02, 2003 at 12:56:06 (PDT)
GLOBOSAT CANAIS
AGULLEIRO@GLOBOSAT.COM.BR
Smalltalk foi usado para o desenvolvimento dos sistemas de programa\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd\ufffdo televisiva e de comercializa\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd\ufffdo de espa\ufffd\ufffdo publicit\ufffd\ufffdrio.
RIO DE JANEIRO, RIO DE JANEIRO BRASIL - Friday, August 08, 2003 at 08:44:11 (PDT)
Unaxis
Smalltalk (VisualWorks) is what we have developed all our Equipmentand Factory Automation controls. About 4yrs.
St. Petersburg, FL USA - Thursday, August 07, 2003 at 16:24:02 (PDT)
Xitec Bulgaria Ltd.
xitecbg@xi-tec.com
Development of kernel of ERP system. Software for warehouse and trade processes management. Used Smalltalk from 1999.
Varna, Bulgaria - Thursday, July 17, 2003 at 11:44:02 (PDT)
Pursuant Winds Software
johngale@shaw.ca
We develop custom software applications using VisualWorks.
Mission, BC Canada - Wednesday, June 04, 2003 at 15:05:40 (PDT)
Giscom
hiding@freemail.hu
Giscom uses smalltalk in some developments in telecom project. Hungarian Telecom's CTI at their Customer Care Call Center is a smalltalk application routing and serving up to 40000 calls daily with MQ integration, TCP/IP call center (Avaya VRU) connection, ORacle databases and more.
Budapest, BUD Hungary - Tuesday, June 03, 2003 at 14:01:05 (PDT)
Qwest
Network Provisioning and Service Assurance
USA - Friday, May 09, 2003 at 23:45:00 (PDT)
Intercontinental Exchange
Intercontinental runs their commodities trading system using Smalltalk (VisualWorks) and Gemstone.
Atlanta, GA USA - Thursday, May 08, 2003 at 15:28:14 (PDT)
Exept Software AG
info@exept.de
We develop Smalltalk/X and use it in most of our projects.Especially in automation, telecommunication and security.
Boennigheim, Baden Wuerttemberg Germany - Tuesday, April 08, 2003 at 05:08:40 (PDT)
Novellus
Novellus CMP Division 300mm Tool uses the Adventa's ControlWORKS framework.
USA - Thursday, April 03, 2003 at 18:23:34 (PST)
Northern Natural Gas
Throughput management system for gas pipeline used by internal users and customers.
Omaha, Nebraska USA - Friday, March 21, 2003 at 18:56:34 (PST)
AGS
agr@armingroeger.de
Uses Smalltalk (ObjectStudio, VisualWorks) in most of their customer-projects. Especially in banking and insurance applications.
Stuttgart, Germany - Thursday, February 06, 2003 at 03:16:41 (PST)
X-Act! Software
Uses smalltalk to produce the desktop components for their knowledge-sharing tool, KnowledgeWorx. The PalmOS pieces were written in another language, but Construx was developed using Dolphin Smalltalk
USA - Saturday, February 01, 2003 at 06:25:02 (PST)
Stelco Inc.
Stelco is the largest Steel maker in Canada. It is in the process of reengineering its business and manufacturing practices. All of their core software systems are being replaced by an integrated Smalltalk system. Currently, they are using VisualAge 5.5.2 with TOPLink /S.
Hamilton, Ontario Canada - Saturday, January 25, 2003 at 01:55:56 (PST)
Sprint
Used for the commercial and residential order entry system for long distance phone service. Used since 1995. Using Visual Works, at least for the first few years when I worked there.
Dallas, TX USA - Thursday, January 09, 2003 at 11:15:28 (PST)
Washington Mutual
Used for the teller client application that is used in all branches. It has been used for at least 8 years, probably more.
Seattle, WA USA - Thursday, January 09, 2003 at 11:04:14 (PST)
Magnum-ACA
skrishnamachari@vsnl.com
Have been using VisualWorks5i/7.0 to develop various in house testing tools, prototyping all specs. Presently working on a VW front end to MySQL along with porting the JDMMySQL to VW7.0
New Delhi, New Delhi India - Friday, December 20, 2002 at 17:10:16 (PST)
Condor Rebar Consultants Inc.
lount@condor-rebar.com
Condor is providing a rebar detailing solutions for civil engineering projects all over the world. Smalltalk is a base of our in-house software.
Vancouver, British Columbia Canada - Wednesday, December 11, 2002 at 10:24:39 (PST)
Wizard Information Services
wizard@wizardis.com.au
Wizard Information Services produces many applications across a variety of fields with IBM VisualAge Smalltalk.
Canberra, ACT Australia - Monday, December 09, 2002 at 09:04:44 (PST)
AICOS Technologies AG
info@aicos.com
AICOS Technologies AG is a consulting company with an own software development section. Cincom's Visualworks is used for a multipurpose plant simulation and planning tool SIMBAX. This software was delevoped from a prototype used at Ciba-Geigy AG since 1990 and is in usage in a couple of companies since 1997. For further information you contact us at lwillmann@aicos.com.
Basel, Switzerland - Tuesday, October 08, 2002 at 15:31:22 (PDT)
SIP Technologies & Exports Limited
info@siptech.com
SIPtech focuses on exploring the features and capabilities provided by Smalltalk with a view to make use of it, whereever it has advantages over other development platforms. The dialects of Smalltalk with which SIPtech has expertise are Cincom's Visual works and IBM Visual Age for Smalltalk. With certified and experienced developers in Smalltalk, SIPtech has the capability of engineering applications and providing services in collaborative commerce. For USA & Europe 2068 Walsh Avenue, Suite C-1, Santa Clara, CA 95050, USA For Asia-Pacific G4, Elnet Software City, CPT Road, Taramani, Chennai-600 113, Tamil Nadu, India.
Santa Clara, CA USA - Wednesday, June 12, 2002 at 19:36:17 (PDT)
Breakthrough Ltd
contact@sysadmin.co.il
Breakthrough Ltd develops NMS (Network Management Systems). Some of the Network Objects are modeled using VisualWorks Smalltalk environment.
Or-Yehuda, Israel - Saturday, April 27, 2002 at 20:28:11 (PDT)
Symbolic Sound Corporation
info-kyma@SymbolicSound.com
Symbolic Sound Corporation designs, manufactures, and markets hardware and software for computer-based digital audio. They are the creators of the Kyma sound design workstation, a visual sound design language with associated Capybara multi-DSP hardware accelerator. Kyma is being used to do sound design for music, film, advertising, television, virtual environments, speech and hearing research, computer games, and other virtual environments. Written in VusualWorks.
Champaign, IL USA - Saturday, April 20, 2002 at 02:08:40 (PDT)
Sempra Energy
As The Southern California Gas Company, used Smalltalk/V 2.0 and later VSE 3.1 for several applications since about 1990. Migrated these to VAST in 2001, 2002. Applications include very large customer billing system.
Los Angeles, California USA - Thursday, April 18, 2002 at 06:27:16 (PDT)
Keystone Software Corp.
Lou@Keystone-Software.com
Keystone Software Corp. develops in IBM VisualAge For Smalltalk. Developed PIVOT, a middle ware interface between the Bloomberg Trading System and the Phase 3 back office accounting system.
Liberty Corner, New Jersey USA - Sunday, March 31, 2002 at 06:29:45 (PST)
ZEDA GmbH
Special Bank Software
Wuppertal, NRW GERMANY - Thursday, March 28, 2002 at 03:50:02 (PST)
RKT
mail@rktinc.com
We recruit Smalltalkers for financial services companies in the Tri-State area. Send us your resume. We might be able to help!
New York, NY USA - Tuesday, March 19, 2002 at 01:24:15 (PST)
ArchWing Innovations LLC
marketing@ArchWing.com
ArchWing is the strongest independent Smalltalk shop in Minnesota, perhaps the Upper Midwest.
Minneapolis, MN USA - Tuesday, March 12, 2002 at 04:32:32 (PST)
Walicxe
info@walicxe.com
We are currently developing a tool for ISO 9000 standard with Dolphin and OmniBase.
Montevideo, Montevideo Uruguay - Thursday, March 07, 2002 at 21:46:11 (PST)
DB Systems (formerly TLC)
Michael.Binzen@tlc.de
We build a Planing System with Smalltalk (VW3) for the german railroad "Deutsche Bahn".
Frankfurt/Main, Hessen Germany - Tuesday, March 05, 2002 at 15:12:50 (PST)
Zordan
Nicola.Zordan@bigfoot.com
Expert Systems shell and utilities. Also in Vicenza, Italy
New York, NY USA - Friday, February 08, 2002 at 03:18:38 (PST)
KM Hitech
kmhitech@shaw.ca
Training, Mentoring, Consulting in Smalltalk
Burnaby, BC Canada - Thursday, January 10, 2002 at 15:41:02 (PST)
Prometeo Informatica
prometeoinformatica@promet.it
We had 3 packages developed with VisualAge Smalltalk IBM 23/12/2001
CALDOGNO, VICENZA ITALY - Sunday, December 23, 2001 at 19:31:39 (PST)
Telebit Consulting S.r.l.
telebit@telebitconsulting.it
Telebit Consulting develop smalltalk software from 1995 (4 packages) and it is now (2001) involved to develop smalltalk front-office banking software.
Patti, (ME) Italy - Friday, November 02, 2001 at 07:40:26 (PST)
The InternetOne
cg@theinternetone.net
also www.theinternetone.at, .be, .co.uk, .ve, etcetera. Using VW5i and OmniBase for the shopping and backoffice functionality of our portals.
Utrecht, The Netherlands - Friday, October 26, 2001 at 15:50:59 (PDT)
iXmatch
dan@ixmatch.com
We use Smalltalk for our Control Center (to talk to a C DLL - which is our Matching Engine Software) using Cincom Smalltalk. In addition, all of internal support and communication runs on SWIKI. We hope to continue with Smalltalk on the .net platform.
Minneapolis, MN USA - Thursday, October 25, 2001 at 23:05:42 (PDT)
University of Pittsburgh Biological Computational Laboratory
Small GUI application developed in VisualAge Smalltalk 4.02 that provided a GUI around an existing DOS-console program written in "C" that did DNA sequence string manipulations. The smalltalk app has a GUI, invokes the DLL-tized "C" program, formats and displays the DNA text sequence in different forms and shapes. Will most likely be ported to Java since the lab has a bunch of Macintosh computers.
Pittsburgh, PA USA - Tuesday, September 25, 2001 at 02:34:39 (PDT)
Keppel Tatlee Bank
mannejk@hotmail.com
Using Smalltalk since 1995. Developed banking software in IBM Visual Age for Smalltalk on distributed system with Oracle as backend. It is 4 - tiered application system. The system supports mutli currency transactions. The system is most powerful banking system which can be used by any bank. This system also have an integration with the product, which is developed in VB
Tampines Central, Singapore - Friday, August 10, 2001 at 16:42:58 (PDT)
Telrad Networks
Project: Intelegent Network Invironment: VW 2.52 with GemStone OODB
Lod, Israel - Wednesday, July 04, 2001 at 16:43:02 (PDT)
TNI
info@tni.fr
TNI uses Smalltalk since 1985 for engineering projects and for the development of its own product line. TNI's technology is based on automatic translation of Smaltalk applications to portable C code, thus providing better performance and portability to Unix and Windows platforms.
Brest, France France - Monday, April 02, 2001 at 09:51:52 (PDT)
ssp2000inc
info@ssp2000inc.com
ssp2000inc mainly focuses on the provision of OOT related technologies (to include Smalltalk, C++, Java, v.b et al) to address systems modernization, downsizing/rightsizing needs of the commercial and public sectors. It has conducted training in various Smalltalk dialects as well as on various methodologies and approaches to architecture, design and development issues inherent in OOT. we are using visualworks as well as IBM VisualAge Smalltalk for devoloping larger applications.
hyderabad, andhrapradesh india - Sunday, April 01, 2001 at 20:31:41 (PDT)
CGEY - Cap Gemini Ernst & Young
steven.sawyer@ey-as.com
We are Ernst & Young Applications Services, LLC a division of Cap Gemini Ernst & Young. As a group that provides application services to major corporations, our growth is creating tremendous opportunity for IT professionals. OO Analysis/Design in VisualWorks, Envy, Versant, SmalltalkBroker, CORBA, GUI development, design patterns, XP and re-factoring techniques. We offer competitive salary and benefits. You'll work in our Solutions Center in Chicago and be part of our elite team, working on large-scale, client-centered projects.
Chicago, IL USA - Wednesday, March 21, 2001 at 14:12:39 (PST)
MetaGenomics
Vertical market genomics software. Large scale (terabyte) genomics database management
Sydney, NSW Australia - Saturday, March 17, 2001 at 17:00:31 (PST)
KM Hitech
kmhitech@home.com
Smalltalk training, menoting, consulting
Vancouver, BC Canada - Monday, February 19, 2001 at 18:24:52 (PST)
TEC-TECH RECORDS
tafarikysuell@yahoo.com
entertainment company
brooklyn, ny USA - Monday, February 12, 2001 at 01:38:06 (PST)
Honda of Canada Mfg
Visualage Smalltalk on AIX with network computers for clients. DB2 database. Assembly line control system. Controls all aspects of plant floor from interfaces with equipment such as PLC's, to collection of vehicle quality data, to vehicle inventory tracking. Used for 3 years.
Allistion, Ontario Canada - Thursday, February 01, 2001 at 23:28:39 (PST)
Policy Management Systems India
Subsidiary of Mynd Systems (www.mynd.com)
Indore, Madhya Pradesh India - Monday, January 22, 2001 at 07:08:47 (PST)
Manpower SoftWare plc
Manpower SoftWare produces a software suite that bridges the gap between HR and ERP. The server is MS SQLServer, and the bulk of the client applications are written in VB, but one of them ("Business Analyser"), for historical reasons, is in Smalltalk, specifically VisualSmalltalk (now distributed by Cincom, formerly by Objectshare, before that by Digitalk). There have, in the past, been as many as 4 Smalltalk developers, but currently there is only one, and that's me: Nicolas Bryant, five and a half years Smalltalk experience (as of early 2001). The Business Analyser client has been under development for at least 7 years.
London, England UK - Wednesday, January 17, 2001 at 11:26:10 (/etc/localtime)
CD4
cd4@ip.pt
Integrated billing and stock system
Lisbon, - Portugal - Tuesday, January 16, 2001 at 14:10:45 (/etc/localtime)
HealthObjects
Smalltalk is used for develpment of a two-tier client/server application, moving to a 3-tier thin-client solution by moving business logic to the server level and developing a new user interface using HTML and Java. Part of the inTelli.Rx product.
Baltimore, MD USA - Friday, January 05, 2001 at 12:22:30 (PST)
iKnowMed
Smalltal is used for server-side development to build the world's leading clinical infomediary, a trusted repository for mission-critical real-time point-of-care information. Using web-based programs, iKnowMed uniquely captures, analyzes, and displays patient treatment information at the point of care, enabling clinicians to advance the standard of care.
Berkeley, CA USA - Friday, January 05, 2001 at 12:19:00 (PST)
Visual Networks
nyjobs@visualnetworks.com
Use VisualWorks to develop GUI, define domain modeling and infrastructure.
New York and Rockville, NY, MD USA - Friday, January 05, 2001 at 12:15:45 (PST)
LingoMotors
Use Smalltalk sw development tools in an effort to create the next-generation search technology that makes finding what you want on the Internet as easy as asking for it in Ordinary Language. Tech team consists of 16 Ph.D.s, liguistics, computer, and business experts that have developed 19 patent-pending technologies.
Cambridge, MA USA - Friday, January 05, 2001 at 12:04:20 (PST)
Quallaby
Uses Smalltalk on Solaris to develop a system that gathers, processes and stores netwok data to opimize network performance and manage network service delivery.
Lowell, MA USA - Friday, January 05, 2001 at 11:57:49 (PST)
Geico
Large development group using IBM VisualAge Smalltalk
Chevy Chase, MD USA - Friday, January 05, 2001 at 11:53:35 (PST)
Marconi
karen.tomko@marconi.com
developed in Smalltalk and Gemstone a Video Service Management Application for Marconi's broadband access network product, a switch that delivers video content and high speed data. App runs on Solaris.
Durham, NC USA - Friday, January 05, 2001 at 11:52:18 (PST)
IQ Financial Systems
james.long@iqfinancial.com
IQ Financial systems has developed it's flagship syndicated lending system, Loan IQ in Smalltalk.
New York, NY USA - Wednesday, January 03, 2001 at 06:29:18 (PST)
e-Brahma Technologies Pvt. Ltd.
ebrahma@vsnl.com
e-Brahma is using Smalltalk for application development and it has an 2 years experience in developing Smalltalk applications.
Coimbatore, TamilNadu India - Wednesday, December 20, 2000 at 12:49:17 (PST)
Indwe Systems (Pty) Ltd
rudolf@indwe.com
Indwe Systems (Pty) Ltd have developed a Knowledge Management tool which is used to manage knowlegde surrounding Corporate IT Architectures for one of our clients. For this development we used IBM VisualAge for Smalltalk (ver 5).
Cape Town, Western Cape South Africa - Thursday, November 16, 2000 at 04:30:32 (EST)
Genomica Corporation
cozza@genomica.com
Have used Smalltalk/VisualWorks since 1990. Use GemStone Object database in client/server mode. Gene cloning and gene functional analysis software.
Boulder, Colorado USA - Tuesday, October 24, 2000 at 16:06:39 (EDT)
Hugo Boss AG
Stefan_Weiblen@hugoboss.com
Using Smalltalk for 4 years for production planning systems. Now going into the web with VA Web Connection Parts.
Metzingen, Germany - Thursday, October 12, 2000 at 02:16:03 (EDT)
Clinical/Research Systems, Inc.
avantol@union-tel.com
Asthma research, spirometry ("lung testing"), Smalltalk consulting (scientific/medical/mathematical): Real-time control, data acquisition, multi-user O-O database, graphical report designer, TCP/IP communication to remote clinics. Smalltalk in use since 1993.
Saratoga, Wyoming USA - Tuesday, October 03, 2000 at 13:17:08 (EDT)
OBJECTGems
dlaibson@objectgems.com
OBJECTGems focuses on the provision of OOT related technologies (to include Smalltalk, C++, Java, et al) to address systems modernization, downsizing/rightsizing needs of the commercial and public sectors. It has conducted training in various Smalltalk dialects as well as on various methodologies and approaches to architecture, design and development issues inherent in OOT.
McLean, Virginia USA - Saturday, September 23, 2000 at 15:43:28 (EDT)
The Vanguard Group
George_White@vanguard.com
Transaction processing and reporting system developed in VSE 3.1 in production since 1994.
Malvern, PA USA - Thursday, August 31, 2000 at 10:18:29 (EDT)
Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
bmollett@llnl.gov
Production applications include: Document Management system (VisualWorks, GemStone, thick client); Financial data warehouse system, project budgeting system (VisualWorks, GemStone, Oracle, Classic Blend, thin client). Smalltalk has been in use since 1996 in this department.
Livermore , CA USA - Monday, August 07, 2000 at 13:50:51 (EDT)
EraNova d.o.o.
Object Oriented technology on Internet
Ljubljana, Slovenia - Tuesday, August 01, 2000 at 04:11:28 (EDT)
Turkish Aerospace Industry
tdurmus@tai.com.tr
Approx. 2 years.
ANKARA, TURKEY - Thursday, July 27, 2000 at 01:38:33 (EDT)
viaLink
Developing e-commerce b2b products using Smalltalk.
Dallas, TX USA - Wednesday, July 26, 2000 at 14:52:07 (EDT)
East West Information Technologies Pvt Ltd
It is developing an ERP application for its client from Swizerland using Smalltalk
New Delhi, New Delhi India - Tuesday, July 25, 2000 at 13:39:05 (EDT)
Principal Financial Group
horsch.tony@principal.com
The Principal has been using VisualWorks to develop mission critical Smalltalk applications since 1993.
Des Moines, IA USA - Monday, July 24, 2000 at 15:20:35 (EDT)
Psiware
260330@frro.utn.edu.ar
Development, and investigations on commercial products
Rosario, santa fe Argentina - Monday, July 17, 2000 at 19:23:53 (EDT)
Object Web
info@objweb.com
Uses Smalltalk for developing Banking Applications
Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh India - Monday, July 10, 2000 at 15:26:38 (EDT)
Psyche Systems Corporation
info@psychesystems.com
Psyche develops and markets a client-server anatomic pathology information system written in Smalltalk.
Wellesley, MA USA - Wednesday, July 05, 2000 at 12:59:27 (EDT)
Object Family GmbH
michael.friedrich@ofi.ch
Health insurance administration package visula age for smalltalk
Valbella, Switzerland - Friday, June 30, 2000 at 03:30:39 (EDT)
Adventa Control Technologies
Adventa Control Technologies, Inc. is the leading provider of next generation factory, machine, and process control software to the semiconductor industry. Most all of their products have been developed using the VisualWorks dialect. Two of their primier products include: >ControlWORKS - the leading object-oriented, next generation control application development environment in the semiconductor equipment market >ProcessWORKS - provides run-to-run process control for semiconductor manufacturing equipment.
Plano, TX USA - Wednesday, June 14, 2000 at 22:33:58 (EDT)
Heinz-Geerd Neumann
hgn@hgneumann.de
Electronic product catalog bringing paper onto the PC and the Internet. At first glance similar to PDF but far more intelligent. Pages are recomposed from true objects which can be linked to a database and/or changed or modified at run time. Also used for permanent virtual exhibition by Frankfurt Exhibition and many European manufacturing companies.
Berlin, Germany - Friday, June 02, 2000 at 10:09:06 (EDT)
EDS Netherlands
TandT.Solutions.Info@eds.com
EDS in the Netherlands uses Smalltalk since 1995 (VW with DST) to implement Traffic Information, Control and Monitoring systems. In one system data from the a railway control centre is transformed to readable information for travellers. EDS has implemented a part of the CORBA Notification Service including the Filter Constraint Language. Another system implemented in Smalltalk is used by a call-centre to let customers plan a door-to-door trip. This system helps planning a trip, using multiple modalities like taxis, busses and trains. Ongoing trips are monitored by the system, and i.e. when a train has a delay, the tripschedule can be adjusted.
Utrecht, Netherlands - Thursday, May 25, 2000 at 02:28:07 (EDT)
Architech Corporation
info@architechcorp.com
Architech Corporation is the premiere provider of e-Commerce architectures and for developing large-scale system solutions for Fortune 1000 companies. The Architech team integrates experts in technology and management to deliver e-Business and large-scale system solutions from project analysis through software construction to final implementation. Architech prides itself on its proven record of highest quality, proven reliability, and timely delivery. One of our largest clients newest applications was built using SmallTalk... the contract has consistent growth, and we are usually looking for help...
Reston, VA USA - Thursday, May 18, 2000 at 16:28:54 (EDT)
Big Server Software, Inc.
cshankey@bigserver.com
Big Server Software, Inc. Big Server Software has been developing enterprise-capable software using Internet technologies since 1990. Our core product is an E-Business Operating System called Visual Knowledge\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd. Our mission is to develop, license and support Visual Knowledge\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd applications for our partners in strategic markets, and to build global awareness and competence in developing applications with Visual Knowledge\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd. Visual Knowledge\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd \ufffd\ufffd\ufffd Is an enabling environment for E-Business: it seamlessly integrates application development and E-Business operations \ufffd\ufffd\ufffd Is a highly advanced but mature E-commerce platform that has had more than $13M invested over nine years in its creation and commercialization. \ufffd\ufffd\ufffd Provides a real-time virtual representation of a business or of many businesses. \ufffd\ufffd\ufffd Is a software Lego\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd kit that lets ordinary people build complex applications without programming. \ufffd\ufffd\ufffd Integrates and simplifies all computer concepts such as database, transactions, distributed computing and application development. \ufffd\ufffd\ufffd Fully supports B2B and B2C E-Commerce, Enterprise Information Management and Business Process driven software development. \ufffd\ufffd\ufffd Works with Windows, Linux, Solaris, HPUX and AIX (and soon, Macintosh) History Big Server\ufffd\ufffd\ufffds first major contract was with BC Hydro from 1990 to 1996. This $10M contract mandated Big Server to develop an enterprise level system to manage $17B in assets, personnel, cost accounting and system operations located in 1100 different facilities. The system was implemented to operate over one of the largest Intranets of its time and gave Big Server a multi-year edge in understanding how to build major information systems for the Internet. This project formed the basis of the Visual Knowledge\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd technology owned by Big Server. Partners In 1998 Big Server licensed Visual Knowledge\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd and developed a highly integrated line of products for the business aviation market. MACH-1 Software Corporation was Big Server\ufffd\ufffd\ufffds first value-added reseller of Visual Knowledge\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd. MACH-1 has successfully marketed their products into the largest charter airlines in the US. MACH-1 integrates Trip planning, crew and aircraft dispatching, customer quotation and billing, cost accounting and several other critical features that help an airline or corporate flight department profitable, legal and efficient. In 1999 Big Server licensed Visual Knowledge\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd and started development of e-commerce based global trading system. This E-business exchange will permit manufacturers from around the world to auction container loads of goods to major buyers. Major program partners, including some of the largest banks in the world, are connected into this system so that Trade Financing, Insurance, Logistics, Freight and all other components required to get goods from supplier to buyer are automated.
Vancouver, BC Canada - Sunday, May 07, 2000 at 23:34:10 (EDT)
hIghQ
info@highq.be
hIghQ has been using Smalltalk successfully as its main development environment since it's start in 1995. Some example success stories are - Aloan; mortgage management, VisualAge for Smalltalk) - PrintQ; intelligent print queue for stock orders (Digitalk Smalltalk)
Leuven, Belgium - Thursday, April 20, 2000 at 15:45:12 (EDT)
Prudential Insurance Company
We are using VisualWorks and Sybase sice 1993
Newark, NJ USA - Monday, April 17, 2000 at 15:39:19 (EDT)
Rand Merchant Bank
VisualWorks, VisualAge Smalltalk with Oracle and Gemstone for Banking Applications.
Johanessburg, Gauteng Republic of South Africa - Sunday, April 16, 2000 at 07:23:35 (EDT)
AEB
guenzel@aeb.de
Logistics solution (export, dispatch, freight, import) written in VSE. Development started in 1995. Some 300 customers around the world (getting more every day...)
Stuttgart, Germany - Saturday, April 15, 2000 at 07:38:31 (EDT)
Reiter & Widmer Informatik AG
info@rwinet.ch
We are working with Smalltalk since 1992, - Technical IT Systems in Nuclear Power Plant - Application Framework - ERP/Application
Stans, NW Switzerland - Thursday, April 13, 2000 at 16:13:22 (EDT)
Intervoice-Brite
InVision call flow tool is written in Smalltalk VW 2.5
Dallas, TX USA - Wednesday, April 12, 2000 at 14:51:14 (EDT)
ALSTOM
werner.olberding@powerconv-alstom.com
Using Smalltalk/X since 1993 for implementing an engineering system for plant autmatisization. Realizing the IEC 1131 Languages
Frankfurt, Hessen Germany - Tuesday, April 04, 2000 at 07:16:50 (EDT)
ESPOL
mercy@goliat.espol.edu.ec
La ESPOL (Escuela Superior Polit\ufffd\ufffdcnica del Litoral) usa smalltalk desde hace 3 a\ufffd\ufffdos para desarrollo de sus aplicaciones contables y de administraci\ufffd\ufffdn
Guayaquil, Guayas ECUADOR - Wednesday, March 08, 2000 at 15:39:35 (EST)
EDOR M.Q. S.r.l.
lorenzo@edor.it
We used ST for developing a package for companies management (bookeeping, inventory management, invoicing etc). The name name of package is: MIDA - Management Integrato Dati Aziendali
Milano, ITALy - Tuesday, February 29, 2000 at 13:02:48 (EST)
Mercap
a.gabriel@fibertel.com.ar
We use VisualAge Smalltalk tu write a foreign exchange and money markets trading system. Developing a treasury software for banks. Smalltalk is in use since 1993.
Buenos Aires, Argentina - Tuesday, February 29, 2000 at 08:31:21 (EST)
SAFEENA L.L.C
info@safeenacorp.com
We provide consulting and services in distributed security and e-commerce frameworks.
Kansas City, MO USA - Friday, February 11, 2000 at 12:23:04 (EST)
HINZ Organisation GmbH
wenk@hinz.de
Nursing assistence and other health care asstisting systems written in Visualwork since ca. 5 years.
Berlin, Germany - Monday, January 10, 2000 at 05:28:09 (EST)
Obdobion Corporation
chris.degreef@obdobion.com
Provider of Smalltalk extensions, tools, applications and consulting.
Lisle, IL USA - Saturday, January 08, 2000 at 14:05:35 (EST)
Sema Group
VA Smalltalk is being use for a credit card payment system.
Watford, UK - Thursday, November 25, 1999 at 12:57:26 (EST)
GMO GmbH
office@gmo.at
Smalltalk is in use here since 1993. As a software house GMO builds business applications in database environments (DB2, Informix, Access and others). The latest project is a product manager's workbench for a large telecom-company (100.000 LOC, entirely Smalltalk). This is a self installing/self updating application, that solves problems of software-distribution in a large organisation (10.000+ employees). Environment: IBM VAST, DB2 (Tables with up to 11.500.000 records), IMS/DB, web access (with OLE components), Remote Procedure Call (RPC) to IBM host-programs .
Vienna, Austria - Wednesday, November 24, 1999 at 07:11:00 (EST)
Lexeme, Inc.
ingria@lexeme.com
We are developing a natural language engine in VisualWorks. (Project began in August, 1998.) The system processes articles and other input text, extracts entities and relations, persists them (currently, using a relational DB), and allows interactive querying of the resulting database via natural language.
Cambridge, MA USA - Thursday, November 18, 1999 at 10:45:08 (EST)
Kansas City Power and Light
kdb6213@kcpl.com
We have just implemented SPL World Groups CIS+ which is a Natural database running on unix w/ a VW 2.5 gui front end. I am part of a team who will one day support the GUI, but for thefact we know nothing about smalltalk outside the bigotry of other "experts". Glad and suprised to see you are in KC for a while.
Kansas City, MO USA - Thursday, November 18, 1999 at 01:16:01 (EST)
Cybertek (PMSC)
bmacias@uslife.com
GUI Front End to Host Mainframe - Scripted mainframe transactions that scrape information from a mainframe host and put keystrokes to the screen.
Dallas, TX USA - Friday, October 22, 1999 at 15:26:18 (EDT)
Moore Stephens
Robert.Machin@MooreStephens.com
Use VisualAge Smalltalk to write a large Practice Management (Time sheets, billing, invoices, contact database the lot) application. Oracle backend database. Win NT and OS/2 clients.
London, England UK - Monday, October 11, 1999 at 02:36:41 (EDT)
Zoologic
Sells a multi media shrink wrapped Financial teaching application written entirely in VSE
New York, NY USA - Sunday, October 03, 1999 at 21:30:07 (EDT)
Nomura Securities Co., Ltd.
A foreign exchange and money markets trading system. Built in the early nineties, the system has been in production for 5+ years now.
London, UK - Wednesday, September 29, 1999 at 21:47:08 (EDT)
Metaphor Technologies, Inc.
wbaeck@metaphor-technologies.com
MTI, a consulting company has developed a nationwide first mortgage and equity lending system for USAA. The system uses VSE on desktops connecting to Oracle on AIX and via TCP/IP to in-house mainframe systems and to systems from FDR, Alltel, etc. Lending decisions are rule based, rules are updated while system is running from within Smalltalk. Rules are centrally maintained and downloaded to clients for fast evaluation. More information available from Wolfgang Baeck, MTI, 800-969-9359
Dallas, TX USA - Tuesday, September 28, 1999 at 15:42:48 (EDT)
Vytautas Magnus University
Raimundas_Vaitkevicus@fc.vdu.lt
We use it since 1993. We use Smalltalk/Express and VisualWorks NC 3.0 this year.
Kaunas, Lithuania - Friday, September 24, 1999 at 06:58:20 (EDT)
BusinessBuilder Technologies Inc.
petero@biz-serv.com
High capacity Internet applications
west vancouver, BC Canada - Tuesday, September 07, 1999 at 17:53:47 (EDT)
EDOR
darin@edor.it
Since 1985, EDOR has developed turn-key smalltalk applications for many industries, with the greatest concentration in the banking and finance arena. Recently EDOR released a new version of its company management product MIDA, written 100% in smalltalk. This replaces the previous version, installed in over 4,000 Italian companies, which was written in COBOL. The new smalltalk version was developed according to the concept of an "object factory", assembling components, or objects, into a finished software application. The project was partially financed by the Italian Ministry of Scientific Research. EDOR is very interested in collaborating with non-Italian companies with the objective of exchanging objects/components and engaging in joint marketing/sales.
Segrate (MI), ITALY - Tuesday, August 31, 1999 at 09:09:49 (EDT)
The Blind Pig
blindpig@blindpigmusic.com
Uses Smalltalk for payroll.
Ann Arbor, Michigan USA - Wednesday, August 25, 1999 at 15:49:33 (EDT)
CCK Treasury Systems Pty Ltd
johnr@cck.com.au
Developing a treasury software for banks and large companies using VisualWorks and GemStone.
Perth, Western Australia Australia - Wednesday, August 25, 1999 at 06:03:37 (EDT)
Ameritech
Ameritech uses Smalltalk for call center applications.
Chicago, IL USA - Wednesday, August 18, 1999 at 23:31:53 (EDT)
Check Solutions
ron.schultz@checksol.com
Check Solutions has constructed a suite of commercially available banking applications (starting in 1996) based on VA3.0 and 4.0 for check processing operations (oftebn referred to as "Item Processing"). These applications include check image archive, check image capture, check reject/repair, remittance, exceptions, and MVS check system profile editing.
Memphis, TN USA - Wednesday, August 18, 1999 at 12:52:05 (EDT)
SPL WorldGroup Consulting
clacambr@splwwg.com
SPL WorldGroup makes extensive use of Smalltalk to implement its CISPLus+ product to cater to large utility companies in Australia and the United States. The said systems are interfaced to a Unix or MVS back-end using SPL's proprietary middleware software.
San Francisco, California USA - Thursday, August 12, 1999 at 00:54:29 (EDT)
American Nuclear Insurers
DAntion@amnucins.com
We use VA Smalltalk for applications in support of our insurance operations.
West Hartford, CT USA - Monday, August 09, 1999 at 19:07:08 (EDT)
Enron
wkohl@enron.com
Gas Pipeline Scheduling and Nomination System
Houston, TX USA - Monday, August 09, 1999 at 18:15:01 (EDT)
Coexis
produce an object oriented development framework. Implemented in smalltalk.
Rickmansworth, Hertfordshire United Kingdom - Monday, August 09, 1999 at 10:26:03 (EDT)
Pioneer Natural Resources
Data mining tool in VA
Dallas, TX USA - Sunday, August 08, 1999 at 11:03:29 (EDT)
Bank Of America
Their call center system is in samlltalk
Norfolk, VA USA - Sunday, August 08, 1999 at 11:02:31 (EDT)
Private Business, Inc.
Used 5+ years to develop an AR package used to manage credit lines of small banks.
Brentwood, TN USA - Thursday, August 05, 1999 at 21:26:05 (EDT)
Beta Squared Lithography
cTimmerman@betaSquaredLithography.com
Machine control application written in VisualAge Smalltalk that controls a semiconductor lithographic machine. The control is from the GUI down to the low level hardware actuator and sensor interface.
New Milford, CT USA - Thursday, August 05, 1999 at 20:24:45 (EDT)
ATHANOR
bruno.ceysens@ibm.net
Application development in the information management field using a product written in VisualAge for Smalltalk and DB/2.
Brussels, Brussels BELGIUM - Thursday, August 05, 1999 at 04:36:57 (EDT)
DV Bern AG
dvbernag@e-mail.com
We develop several commercial and goverment applications in VisualAge ST. We use Smalltalk about 5 years now.
Bern, - Switzerland - Thursday, August 05, 1999 at 03:22:31 (EDT)
Baker Process
randy.ynchausti@bakerhughes.com
Intelligent, adaptive process control software for real-time supervisory control systems. VisualWorks and GemStone provide the development and deployment environment.
Salt Lake City, UT USA - Wednesday, August 04, 1999 at 21:37:15 (EDT)
One Accord Technologies
ian@oneaccordinc.com
Develop computer assisted negotiation software using advanced optimization and preference analysis to produce more satisfactory agreements between parties. For use in the insurance industry and other areas. Built with VSE.
Abbotsford (near Vancouver), BC Canada - Wednesday, August 04, 1999 at 13:14:41 (EDT)
Cherniak Software
quenton@cherniak.on.ca
Custom accounting, manufacturing and related applications built on a VW framework/tools system using Gemstone ST as a database.
Toronto, Ontario Canada - Wednesday, August 04, 1999 at 11:48:07 (EDT)
HDI Informationssysteme GmbH
We use Smalltalk in several projects since about 4 years ( first VSE, then VA). We develop solutions for insurance applications.
Hannover, Germany - Wednesday, August 04, 1999 at 10:39:53 (EDT)
Eleven srl
info@elevensoft.it
work with Smalltalk from 1986. First project sold to customer in 1990. still actively working and growing. Using VSE, VW, VA, ObjectStudio, Dolphin and SmalltalkMT
Moncalieri (TO), Italy - Wednesday, August 04, 1999 at 10:37:53 (EDT)
Shoptalk Systems
carlg@libertybasic.com
Creators of Liberty BASIC, a popular and award winning programming language for Windows and OS/2 written in Smalltalk.
Framingham, MA USA - Wednesday, August 04, 1999 at 08:51:31 (EDT)
TotallyObjects
davidpen@totallyobjects.com
Resume management system for MBA recruitment. Incorporates Web COnnection server to gather CVs plus custom Win98/NT client front end for analysis and selection. Lawyer's fees management system - Case Manager Also a range of developer frameworks. All above using IBM VisualAge Smalltalk. Also a range of
Gidea Park, Essex UK - Wednesday, August 04, 1999 at 08:03:23 (EDT)
Brooklyn Union Gas
Uses VW and Gemstone for several large scale wireless distributed applications. Cool stuff
NYC, NY USA - Wednesday, August 04, 1999 at 07:20:56 (EDT)
Grupo Addax S.A. de C.V.
addax@netmex.com
We develop solutions on software for corporate clients based on client/server and internet environments
Mexico City, D.F. MEXICO - Monday, August 02, 1999 at 16:03:30 (EDT)
General Communications Inc.
Telecommunications Company - Invoicing System
Anchorage, AK USA - Saturday, July 31, 1999 at 01:32:54 (EDT)
Soops
info@soops.nl
Smalltalk specialists
Amsterdam, the Netherlands - Tuesday, July 27, 1999 at 09:28:59 (EDT)
BusinessBuilder
petero@biz-serv.com
We use IBM Smalltalk to develop e-business, e-commerce and e-service applications intened for medium and large scale deployment.
vancouver, bc Canada - Saturday, July 17, 1999 at 15:20:51 (EDT)
Die Mobiliar
We use VA/ST since about 3 years for insurance applications.
Bern, BE Switzerland - Friday, July 16, 1999 at 07:03:22 (EDT)
U.S. Department of Defense
JWARS - Joint Warfare System. Analytical warfare simulation for joint operations. Uses VisualAge Smalltalk.
Arlington, VA USA - Saturday, July 10, 1999 at 14:06:40 (EDT)
Fuji Research Inc
Fuji Research used VW smalltalk for the development of Fuji Cell Control Management System. System was developed to automate the semiconductor manufacturing facility.
Japan - Saturday, July 10, 1999 at 13:23:27 (EDT)
Policy Management System Corporation
PMSC uses smalltalk for their insurance product development.
Columbia, South Carlolina USA - Saturday, July 10, 1999 at 13:18:37 (EDT)
US West
Interprise division of US West uses VW Smalltalk for their Ordering and provisioning system for frame relay and ATM products.
Minneapolis, Minnesota USA - Saturday, July 10, 1999 at 13:11:24 (EDT)
MetaCase Consulting
stevek@metacase.com
MetaCase Consulting makes the world's most advanced metaCASE tool, MetaEdit+, with VisualWorks. With MetaEdit+ you can support virtually any software development or enterprise modelling method, even adding support for your own new methods, and generate code and documentation. First release 1995, all development in VW & Envy since then. (Earlier product in Actor, 1993)
Jyvaskyla, Finland - Thursday, July 08, 1999 at 04:21:36 (EDT)
Data-Basics, Incorporated
info@databasic.com
software and system integrator for credit unions
Cleveland, OH USA - Tuesday, July 06, 1999 at 17:48:10 (EDT)
Computas AS
sara@computas.com
Computas is a leading European provider of knowledge based work process support systems. We design, develop and deploy applications, and our 10+ years of experience in knowledge based systems and object-oriented systems development is refined into our software framework family FrameSolutions(TM). The oldest and most comprehensive of these frameworks is Smalltalk-based: IBM VisualAge for Smalltalk(R) and Gemstone Smalltalk(R). Several major organizations are using mission-critical Computas-developed Smalltalk applications, e.g. the Norwegian Police and the State Agency for the Recovery of Fines, Damages and Costs. Computas has been doing Smalltalk development since 1988.
Lysaker, Akershus Norway - Monday, June 28, 1999 at 09:17:16 (EDT)
Melita International
eminor@melita.com
Melita International is a leading provider of Call Center Technology Solutions. Melita uses Smalltalk to develope and maintain their front-end software product that interfaces call center agents to the Melita Call Center System.
Norcross, GA USA - Monday, June 21, 1999 at 10:18:11 (EDT)
Financial Technologies International
Visual Smalltalk Enterprise 3.1 with DB2 and Oracle. Middleware - CICS, MQ , DCE REAL - Financial Applications
New York, New York USA - Thursday, June 10, 1999 at 12:56:20 (EDT)
Romax Technology Ltd
webmaster@romaxtech.com
Romax Technology is a world leader in the production of power transmission analysis software which is completely developed in Smalltalk. The company is currently developing new engineering analysis software, also developed 100% in Smalltalk. The company's view is that Smalltalk facilitiates the production of reliable, efficient software in minimal time. They have been using the language for over 5 years.
Newark on Trent, Nottinghamshire England - Saturday, May 29, 1999 at 09:37:36 (EDT)
Sentient Networks
kendall@sentientnet.com
X-based and Web-based network management applications
Milpitas, CA USA - Friday, May 21, 1999 at 13:29:05 (EDT)
ELC Object Technology
ot@elc.com
Application & Persistence Frameworks, Smalltalk/MVS development, standard software and consulting services for the insurance and financial services, entertainment, production and HRM industry.
Den Bosch, Utrecht, De Bilt, Cappelle a/d IJssel, Heerlen, Several states The Netherlands and Belgium - Tuesday, May 18, 1999 at 09:57:45 (EDT)
BG Technology
kayvan.mahinfar@bgtech.co.uk
VisusalWorks is used to ptototype intelligent network management systems since 1997
Loughborough, Leicestershire UK - Monday, May 17, 1999 at 10:17:56 (EDT)
ESPOL
mnaranjo@espol.edu.ec
ESPOL University has been using Visual Age for Smalltalk since 1996, for the deployment of several financial and academic applications.
Guayaquil, Guayas ECUADOR - Friday, May 14, 1999 at 15:50:08 (EDT)
ARRCO
mrevesche@arrco.fr
ARRCO is a federation of supplementary pension organisations. We started using Digitalk Smalltalk/V in 1992. We developed in 1998 a large client-server and mission critical project (1680 classes, 23500 methods) with VSE. We were obliged to spread our work over thousands PCs (60 sites) in december 1998 in order to start using it from January 1999. We didn't have a beta period but we succeeded.
GRADIGNAN, France - Thursday, May 06, 1999 at 02:29:37 (EDT)
THL EDV-Systeme
info@thl-edv.de
Design and Implementation of applications and frameworks, standard applications and tools. Consulting services for financial services, software development, logistics and manufacturing.
Ludwigsburg, Baden-W\ufffd\ufffdrttemberg Germany - Tuesday, May 04, 1999 at 02:50:23 (EDT)
PMS MICADO
info@pmsmicado.com
Application & Persistence Frameworks, Smalltalk/MVS development, standard software and consulting services for the financial services industry
Frankfurt, Hamburg, Hennef, Germany - Monday, May 03, 1999 at 03:17:02 (EDT)
ORTIM Industrial Engineering Deutschland GmbH
info@ortim.de
Standard software for industrial engineering and production planning.
Holtsee (Kiel), Schleswig-Holstein Germany - Monday, May 03, 1999 at 02:15:59 (EDT)
Unisys Belgium
mtilman@acm.org
Large framework written in VisualWorks for developing administrative applications that require a common business model and a mix of database, document management, workflow and Internet functionality. Relies a lot on metadata and active object models. Started 5 years ago.
Brussels, Belgium - Sunday, May 02, 1999 at 04:31:41 (EDT)
Ontario Teachers' Pension Plan
dmackie@otpp.com
Internal integrated desktop to administer a $50Billion pension fund for 300,000 members.
Toronto, Ontario CANADA - Friday, April 30, 1999 at 11:05:04 (EDT)
Debis Systemhaus
Consultancy
Berlin, Stuttgart and others, Germany - Friday, April 30, 1999 at 03:13:11 (EDT)
RWSO
Computing Center for Savings Banks in South Germany Using VA ST for some retail banking systems
Stuttgart, Germany - Friday, April 30, 1999 at 03:11:43 (EDT)
DaimlerChrysler (Mercedes Benz)
Several Projects in Smalltalk
Stuttgart, Germany - Friday, April 30, 1999 at 02:59:45 (EDT)
Genarali
Insurance company, using ST for many years already
Vienna and Munich, Austria and Germany - Friday, April 30, 1999 at 02:50:30 (EDT)
BMW
Several long term projects in Smalltalk
Munich, Bavaria Germany - Friday, April 30, 1999 at 02:49:07 (EDT)
UBS - Union Bank of Switzerland
Using VW as well as VA for quite some while in many different projects
Zuerich, Switzerland - Friday, April 30, 1999 at 02:41:04 (EDT)
Albingia
Insurance Company
Hamburg, Germany - Friday, April 30, 1999 at 02:39:28 (EDT)
BASF
Big Fish in Chemistry, using Smalltalk for a couple of years already
Ludwigshafen, Germany - Friday, April 30, 1999 at 02:37:41 (EDT)
Siemens-Nixdorf
Development of FINIS in VA Smalltalk
Vienna, Austria - Friday, April 30, 1999 at 02:36:11 (EDT)
Landesbank Baden-W\ufffd\ufffdrttemberg
Using both ObjectStudio and VisualAge for retail banking systems
Stuttgart, Germany - Friday, April 30, 1999 at 02:35:27 (EDT)
Bayerische Landesbank
Doing quite some XP stuff
Munich, Bavaria Germany - Friday, April 30, 1999 at 02:34:08 (EDT)
ObjectART Software GmbH
Hans-Peter.Steurer.ObjectARt@t-online.de
Developing(VisualWorks)a software-tool for modeling, planing, simulation and optimization of business-and productionprocesses. Smalltalk(VisualWorks) experience more than 10 years.
86316 Friedberg/near Munich/Bavaria, Germany - Friday, April 30, 1999 at 01:55:08 (EDT)
Bell Atlantic
BA has been using VisualWorks for over 3 years in developing expressTRAK, its future billing system.
Arlington,, VA USA - Thursday, April 29, 1999 at 22:35:35 (EDT)
Social Security Administration
ObjectStudio, Windows NT. Disability Claims Processing System, Customer Service System with expert system capabilities.
Woodlawn, MD USA - Wednesday, April 28, 1999 at 22:15:17 (EDT)
SilverMark, Inc.
info@silvermark.com
SilverMark uses VisualAge & VisualWorks to provide automated testing solutions and other Smalltalk productivity tools.
Raleigh, NC USA - Wednesday, April 28, 1999 at 15:40:43 (EDT)
Applied Reasoning
info@AppliedReasoning.com
Developed several developer tools in VisualWorks, including Classic Blend, GeoSynchrony, Dynamic Diagram Framework, Parcels and Structured Graphics, and Multiple Inheritance. Developed numerous vertical applications for clients, most notably in telecommunications and artificial intelligence. The company was founded in 1991. See our web site for more info and company history.
Overland Park, KS USA - Wednesday, April 28, 1999 at 15:36:46 (EDT)
Object Family GmbH
mike.f@gr-net.ch
Developed a complete administrative package for three regional health insurance companies in VA smalltalk. Great stability. Easily adapted to changing requirements. Has been in operation fro nearly two years.
Ilanz, Graubuenden Switzerland - Sunday, March 14, 1999 at 12:02:45 (EST)
Lucent Technologies
mihira@aol.com
CASPER - Sales Compensation System for all Lucent Sales Reps. Uses VW 2.5, Gemstone 5, MS Windows 95
Somerset, NJ USA - Thursday, March 11, 1999 at 20:57:40 (EST)
CDM Gruppen A/S
hj@cdm.dk
Complete salesforce automation and tracking systems.
Klampenborg, - Denmark - Wednesday, March 10, 1999 at 14:29:07 (EST)
CSC
very large reinsurance project developed in Norway, Switzerland and UK
Oslo, Norway - Wednesday, March 10, 1999 at 12:43:46 (EST)
IBM (UK) LTD
Very large system for utility companies (initially electricity), no live with Southern Electric
Winchester, Hampshire UK - Wednesday, March 10, 1999 at 12:42:04 (EST)
London Processing Centre
Rewritten old cobol system for insurance/ reinsurance in VisualAge for london insurance markets.
Folkestone, Kent UK - Wednesday, March 10, 1999 at 12:40:16 (EST)
Software Kinetics
Developing a military application (Canadian Naval Electronic Warfare System) for use on Canadian navy frigates. It's a real-time surface search radar processing system. CANEWS 2 assists Naval ESM Operators in analyzing their radar environment, even in the presence of new types of emitters and in dense pulse environments.
Ottawa, ON Canada - Sunday, February 28, 1999 at 18:20:29 (EST)
Per-se Technologies
jason.steffler@per-se.com
We're using VSE & SQL Server on a Windows NT platform for developing a health care collection system.
Cleveland, OH USA -
www.Smalltalk.org
info@smalltalk.org
"The best way to predict the future is to invent it!" -- Alan Kay. Smalltalk.org is the place to go when looking for Smalltalk information or people.
Vancouver, BC Canada -
Active Information Corporation
peter@active-info.com
Active Information Corporation provides services and technology to assist companies in generating and maintaining wealth.
Vancouver, BC Canada -
Bayat Gallery
bayat@inuitgallery.com
Inuit art sculptures featured by a Canadian fine art gallery, Bayat Gallery displays museum quality soapstone carvings by Inuit artists, both past and present. Aboriginal art shipped worldwide.
Winnipeg, Manitoba Canada -
Newbridge Networks Corp.
We use VisualWorks with a proprietary ORB for Informix as part of our network managment solution. The project has been ongoing for the past 7 years. The 45020 project is a network element manager that works in conjunction with the legacy 46020 system to manage WANs, LANs, and everything inbetween.
Ottawa, ON CA - Sunday, February 07, 1999 at 18:45:33 (EST)
DaimlerChrysler
rch5@daimlerchrysler.com
DaimlerChrysler's C3 project is a VisualWorks/Gemstone payroll System. It has been in production for almost 2 years.
center line, mi USA - Saturday, February 06, 1999 at 15:20:35 (EST)
TAM BILGISAYAR
mdurmaz@tam.com.tr
we r developing erp solutions 4 banking financial, textile and many of other sectors by using vage 4 st .But we have a problem number of smalltalkers living in our country is less than number of all of the PANDAs living in china :)). we r developing client/server applications under oo environment since 1995.
istanbul, TURKEY - Friday, February 05, 1999 at 19:05:50 (EST)
Honeywell Technology Center
dome-info@htc.honeywell.com
We developed an maintain a (free) user-tailorable, graphical modeling environment, in VisualWorks. Smalltalk work started in 1989. We have also used VisualWorks to implement a constraint-based configuration tool for use by the sales force.
Minneapolis, Minnesota USA - Friday, February 05, 1999 at 14:59:38 (EST)
Hewlett-Packard Laboratories Bristol
Have been using Smalltalk for a number of research project over the last 10 years.
Bristol, UK - Friday, February 05, 1999 at 03:57:42 (EST)
5x5 Computing Solutions, Inc.
rsargent@5x5.on.ca
Smalltalk consulting, specializing in VisualAge. Smalltalk since 1991, objects since 1987, programming since 1973. Experienced with many hardware and software systems, but definitely partial to OS/2.
Toronto, Ontario Canada - Friday, February 05, 1999 at 02:01:18 (EST)
ESEC
Use Smalltalk for factory automation applications in the semiconductor backend assembly/packaging. Have been doing Smalltalk for 5 years. Great products working in production in 3 continents
Cham, Switzerland - Tuesday, February 02, 1999 at 14:57:50 (EST)
Delaware computing
demey_jan@delaware-computing.com
Delaware builed several smalltalk applications for banking (KBC) and industry (Pauwels). For Pauwels they used Smalltalk( VisualWorks) for automated warehouse systems, and a very special application in which they implemented a genetic algoritm to optimize power transformers.
GENT, OVL BELGIUM - Monday, February 01, 1999 at 16:54:04 (EST)
Phaidros Software
info@phaidros.com
Phaidros Software AG develops and distributes phaidrosTM Jump MT, the Software Engineering Environment optimized to suit the needs of the Smalltalk developer community. Jump MT empowers the developer to generate immediately running applications out of standard CASE tools like Rational Rose.
Ilmenau, Germany USA - Thursday, January 21, 1999 at 07:41:37 (EST)
2SHARE
mail@2share.com
We use Visual Smalltalk to enhance our modelling.
Helmond, Netherlands - Tuesday, January 19, 1999 at 15:38:03 (EST)
Baan
awostenberg@baan.com
Smalltalk for a constraint engine to configure equipment for quotes in saleseforce automation.
Golden, Colorado USA - Tuesday, January 12, 1999 at 20:01:32 (EST)
Caesar Petroleum Systems
jblinten@caesarsystems.com
Petroleum Ventures & Risk (PetroVR) is written in VSE. It provides decision support tools for technical & commercial evaluations of petroleum investments. Major systems include: development modelling, economic analysis, risk analysis (Monte Carlo, decision trees, influence diagrams). Portfolio management, analysis, and optiminization is included. Interactive & crippled demos are available on the WEB. Check it out!
Houston, Tx USA - Wednesday, January 06, 1999 at 02:01:44 (EST)
McKesson Corp
SupplyNet - Pharmaceutical purchase analysis system for customers. Used VisualWorks 2.5.2, Oracle, CORBA and VB.
San Francisco, CA USA - Wednesday, December 30, 1998 at 23:16:21 (EST)
ObjectWave Corporation
info@objectwave.com
ObjectWave Corporation is a full service object-oriented software firm specializing in the design, development and deployment of custom, business-driven systems and software for client/server applications.
Chicago, IL USA - Wednesday, December 30, 1998 at 11:03:32 (EST)
American Express
Uses VisualWorks for a system to enter and process corporate credit card applications
Phoenix, Arizona USA - Sunday, December 27, 1998 at 01:36:11 (EST)
Allstate Insurance
Control and object model layer for claim processing
Northbrook, IL USA - Friday, December 25, 1998 at 17:29:38 (EST)
Oakton Community College
Students Registration System still under development with the help of ObjectWave corp.
Des Plaines, IL USA - Sunday, December 20, 1998 at 02:45:49 (EST)
OBJECTXPRESS SOFTWARE INC.
objectxpress@hotmail.com
Smalltalk solution provider.
Toronto, Ontario Canada - Saturday, December 19, 1998 at 13:10:58 (EST)
ABOL Software, Inc.
mgoettel@abolinc.com
Commercial Shipping Software for Parcel, LTL, TL Shipments. Developed in VSE and WBPro.
ATLANTA, GA USA - Thursday, December 17, 1998 at 20:54:09 (EST)
Kintetsu World Express
Using a report writer developed in VisualWorks Smalltalk for an internal application that manages world wide courier services
USA - Wednesday, December 16, 1998 at 16:02:01 (EST)
State Farm Insurance Companies
GUI development done in smalltalk. State Farm Insurance Companies One State Farm Plaza Bloomington, IL 61710
Bloomington, IN USA - Wednesday, December 16, 1998 at 15:59:27 (EST)
Prudential Insurance Company
Post-Issue Operations are conducted in three Customer Service Call-Centers, approx. 800 CSRs and 3000 total seats. The primary service platform is an NT desktop which has 3270 emulation, a GUI front-end to our legacy systems, a Smalltalk developed service application and intranet facilities, as well as electronic job aids and forms.
Newark, NJ USA - Wednesday, December 16, 1998 at 15:57:49 (EST)
Airbus Industrie, Inc
VisualAge-Smalltalk/PM used here.
USA - Wednesday, December 16, 1998 at 15:56:05 (EST)
JOHN DEERE INSURANCE
Policy Administration system for rating auto and equipment insurance for large-scale commercial establishments. Object oriented techniques - Rumbaugh methodology was used for the design and development. OMT Techniques, SmallTalk, ENFIN/Object Studio, OS/2, DB2/2.
Moline, IL USA - Wednesday, December 16, 1998 at 15:54:40 (EST)
Chubb and Son, Inc
Claims Re-Engineering project uses VisualAge for Smalltalk, PARADIGM_PLUS
Warren, NJ USA - Wednesday, December 16, 1998 at 15:52:42 (EST)
Continental Airlines
SOC (Systems Operation Center) used VisualWorks to support synchronization and data propagation processes between client and legacy systems.
Miramar, FL USA - Wednesday, December 16, 1998 at 13:09:11 (EST)
The Bank of Nova Scotia
using VisualWorks and Versant ARGOS for a variety of applications.
Toronto, ON CANADA - Wednesday, December 16, 1998 at 13:07:37 (EST)
Principle Financial Group
The Producer Administrative Workbench has been developed in VisualWorks, Gemstone, Envy, ParadigmPlus, Extra.
Denver, CO USA - Wednesday, December 16, 1998 at 13:05:27 (EST)
UroCor
hr@urocor.com
UroCor, Inc. 800 Research Parkway Oklahoma City, OK 73104 Phone: (405) 290-4020 Fax: (405) 290-4059 E-Mail: hr@urocor.com UroCor, Inc. 202: Oklahoma City: UroCor is a leading Disease Management Organization (DMO) in urology focused on providing a comprehensive line of disease management services for a complete range of urological tumors and complex diseases. UroCor develops, acquires and/or licenses clinical diagnostic services, proprietary diagnostic products and therapeutics, and markets them directly to office-based urologists and managed care organizations through a national network of dedicated representatives. Laboratory Division developed a transaction pocess application allowing the exchange of medical data between UroCor and clinicians. Application development was in Smalltalk
Oklahoma City, OK USA - Wednesday, December 16, 1998 at 12:48:32 (EST)
National Park Service
old application developed in the early 90s in C++ and Smalltalk/V for MS-DOS and DEC Ultrix to determine the number and type of permits to issue at some of the national parks. Started as a knowedge-based simulation system, later converted to a production system.
USA - Wednesday, December 16, 1998 at 12:41:33 (EST)
Advanced Micro Devices
in 1994 used ParcPlace VisualWorks on Unix workstations and Gemstone to build a manufacturing equipment calibration tracking system.
Austin, TX USA - Wednesday, December 16, 1998 at 12:34:09 (EST)
USAA
as of 1995, the Claims Systems Development Program - Utilities Team was using Smalltalk/V, PARTS, Team/V to develop tools to replace the Claims desktop functions and paper files with automated desktop tools.
San Antonio, TX USA - Wednesday, December 16, 1998 at 12:29:50 (EST)
TRW
Equipment Interface (EI) development using an object oriented programming toolkit based on SmallTalk under an HP-UNIX environment.
Sunnyvale, CA USA - Tuesday, December 15, 1998 at 18:18:57 (EST)
Sprint
used VisualWorks and ENVY to develop a software metrics gathering tool
Irving, TX USA - Tuesday, December 15, 1998 at 18:16:03 (EST)
Wells Fargo
1991-1993: CSS project developed a Smalltalk GUI for their Credit Card Service Center under DOS/Windows, linking to Novell servers, OS/2 servers, and CICS/DB2 on the IBM mainframes with APPC communications
San Francisco, CA USA - Tuesday, December 15, 1998 at 18:14:18 (EST)
United Illuminating Co
using ObjectStudio-Smalltalk.
New Haven, , CT USA - Tuesday, December 15, 1998 at 14:06:01 (EST)
Texaco Natural Gas Inc.
thompjs@texaco.com
Natural Gas Marketing System built with VisualWorks/Versant/DST/SQLServer.
Houston, TX USA - Tuesday, December 15, 1998 at 10:15:39 (EST)
Hewitt Associates LLC
jfcarbel@hewitt.com
Call Center GUI Application in Production with over 2,000 users. Smalltalk Technology used for almost all GUI Development in the Company. 1,000 Classes and 750 Views. Currently converted from PPD VSE to IBM VA. Client/Server environment. Great Place to work. Currently looking for a GUI developer (12/11/98), please see our web site for this job posting.
Lincolnshire, IL USA - Friday, December 11, 1998 at 16:35:57 (EST)
Ford Motor Co.
Smalltalk is used in several systems at the Information Systems dept.
Dearborn, MI USA - Wednesday, December 09, 1998 at 17:00:32 (EST)
BWise
all@Bwise.nl
Smalltalk is used for modelling of processes. In our own developed Programma 'Toolkit Expert' Matthijs van Kessel (student)
Den Bosch, Noord Brabant Netherlands - Wednesday, December 09, 1998 at 15:58:38 (EST)
AR Software
aleReimondo@sugarWeb.com
Since 1988, we has been working in developing Software solutions in Smalltalk for the Argentinian market.
Buenos Aires, Buenos Aires Argentina - Monday, December 07, 1998 at 10:27:17 (EST)
The Maxim Group
brhill@maximgroup.com
Since 1987, Maxim Group has been a leader in providing information technology professionals to all companies.We focus on providing you a path you a path to achieve your goals both personally and professionally. Please take a moment to call and see what opportunities we may have for you.
Overland Park, KS USA - Wednesday, December 02, 1998 at 17:22:01 (EST)
Eranova d.o.o.
janko.mivsek@eranova.si
Using Smalltalk 4 years for Internet/Intranet infosystems based on AIDA/Web, a home-grown dynamic web server written in Smalltalk
Ljubljana, Slovenia - Friday, November 20, 1998 at 14:29:34 (EST)
General Motors Corp.
lnustc1.pzmj2q@eds.com
Advanced Development Group of NAO MIS created a research prototype of a fully distibuted, decentralized, Agent-Oriented multi-agent agile manufacturing information system using VW and DST.
Warren, MI USA - Friday, November 20, 1998 at 10:36:57 (EST)
Ralston Purina
Smalltalk has been used for about 5 years in many production applications. Lately, it has fallen out of favor, but still has a small, very loyal following.
St. Louis, MO USA - Friday, November 20, 1998 at 09:48:38 (EST)
Bacchus Management Systems
wdarmst@bacchus.com.au
Visualage Smalltalk used to develop a range of commercial applications running over DB/2 for the Transportation and Hospitality Industries (Mainly), Including Human Resources, Rostering, Service Scheduling, Fleet Maintenance, Plant Maintenance, Professional Time Billing and a suite of General Accounting Applications.
Brisbane, Queensland Australia - Friday, November 20, 1998 at 05:34:51 (EST)
Mellon Bank
darcy.anderson@mellon.com
[link|http://www.mellon.com/corp/cop/tech_opps/pittsburgh.htmlHuman|http://www.mellon.co...tsburgh.htmlHuman] Resources Department Mellon Bank One Mellon Bank Center Room 700 Pittsburgh, PA 15258-0001 VisualAge Smalltalk used for imageless application processing tasks on a database server
Pittsburgh, PA USA - Wednesday, November 18, 1998 at 15:09:09 (EST)
Genomica Corp
resumes@genomica.com
The Discovery Manager\ufffd\ufffd\ufffd software follows the scientific flow of the organization from clinical data and genetic map to physical map, sequence, structure, and function. The modern design of the system addresses the complex organizational and data issues created by the collaborative nature of genome investigations. Central to the power of the software is the rich computer representation and semantics of biological objects and scientific processes. Its framework allows the researcher to seamlessly move data from one step to the next and from one organization to another, across multiple computer platforms. A unified user interface provides access to both proprietary and public domain data analysis tools and algorithms. Information flows across both internet and intranet to facilitate worldwide communication. Genomica software thus allows the scientist to drive the gene discovery and functional analysis process rapidly, efficiently and effectively. It provides a more focused approach to uncovering gene candidates, and turning gene candidates into targets for drug discovery.
Boulder, CO USA - Tuesday, November 17, 1998 at 10:28:30 (EST)
McHugh Software International
Dorothy Giannotti (203) 944-1600
warehousing, labor, transpotation management software.
Shelton, CT USA - Tuesday, November 17, 1998 at 10:21:38 (EST)
Esprit Health
lorib@esprithealth.com
Develops and sells healthcare management systems. Developed in "32-bit Smalltalk Object Oriented tools".
Chicago, IL USA - Tuesday, November 17, 1998 at 10:20:28 (EST)
Morgan Stanley
hr@ms.com
From the late 80's to November 1993, more than a hundred people were coding smalltalk in ObjectWorks 4.1 for a variety of internal applications. Then, all of a sudden, in a speech addressed to the 1100 IT professionals o the firm, the C++ programming language was chosed to be the *official* language to be used everywhere, and where the specialized feaures of a specific other programming language were not essential. However, some ObjectWorks (and now VisualWorks) apps are still in production and once in a while someone is asked to tweak it to patch in some new features. Isolated, unknown to most people, and mysterious, they do however still get the job done. They are *Legacy* smalltalk applications.
New York, NY USA - Friday, November 13, 1998 at 11:54:53 (EST)
Newcastle Capital Management
dsimons@newcastle.ca
Newcastle has used Smalltalk to deliver a fully integrated front, middle and backoffice derivatives trading systems. For those not in the financial services industry ... it's a reasonably complex decision support system with lots of reporting and monitoring features. Cool application. Great problem domain. Fantastic firm. Smalltalk succeeds again:-)
Toronto, Ontario Canada - Friday, November 13, 1998 at 07:43:25 (EST)
Peter Maier Objekttechnologie
peter.maier@ebe-online.de
Independent consultant with more than 6 years of Smalltalk experience.
Munich, Bavaria Germany - Wednesday, November 11, 1998 at 15:09:49 (EST)
OdaTeam d.o.o.
info@odateam.com
Insurance IS development in Visual Smalltalk Enterprise
Mala Nedelja, Slovenia - Wednesday, November 11, 1998 at 05:30:09 (EST)
Dairying Research Corp
sherlockr@drc.co.nz
VisualWorks Smalltalk used to develop framework for dairy-farm simulation models.
Hamilton, New Zealand - Tuesday, November 10, 1998 at 18:20:38 (EST)
RPS, a FDX company
mike.mantini@shiprps.com
IBM VisualAge used to develop internal application used by dispatching agents
Pittsburgh, PA USA - Tuesday, November 10, 1998 at 10:29:47 (EST)
PNC Bank
David.Karbosky@pncbank.com
Call center GUI application in production used by agents. IBM VA. OS/2 client going to NT soon.
Pittsburgh, PA USA - Tuesday, November 10, 1998 at 10:27:05 (EST)
MCI WorldCom
steve.statham@mci.com
VisualAge Smalltalk used to develop GUI for a call center management application. Expected production date is 1999
Colorado Springs, CO USA - Tuesday, November 10, 1998 at 10:25:21 (EST)
AGI Inc. - Single Wafer RTCVD Company
natalie_m@agi.co.il
VisualWorks / Envy platform for realtime / embedded systems development (semiconductors systems)
Migdal Ha-Emek, Israel - Tuesday, November 10, 1998 at 07:21:56 (EST)
Glenayre Digital Systems
A VisualWorks client/server app. used for voice/data communications over radio to roving vehicles.
Vancouver , BC Canada - Thursday, October 15, 1998 at 18:32:24 (EDT)
St. Paul Companies Baltimore IS
Used VSE for 3 years to develop a commercial lines insurance policy writing system. Plan to port to VA
Baltimore, MD USA - Friday, September 18, 1998 at 18:35:00 (EDT)
Canada Life Assurance Company
www.canadalife.com
They use Smalltalk for an agent compensation system.
Toronto/Atlanta Ga., Ontario Canada - Saturday, September 12, 1998 at 17:44:41 (EDT)
J.P.Morgan
Uses VisualWorks in several business applications including corporate risk management, fixed income front office, private banking, etc.
New York, NY USA - Friday, September 11, 1998 at 14:50:14 (EDT)
Nortel (Northern Telecom)
Uses VisualWorks & VisualWave in several business systems, since 1994. No known new projects, maintenance & enhancements only
multinational (Canada, US, world) - Friday, September 11, 1998 at 13:44:26 (EDT)
tec4 systems inc.
info@tec4.ca
Tec4 uses PPD's Visual Smalltalk to create software for the insurance industry.
Calgary, Alberta Canada - Thursday, September 10, 1998 at 10:17:33 (EDT)
Andy van Tol
avantol@union-tel.com
Using PP-D VS for real-time medical data collection of pulmonary function, custom graphics pkg for reporting, multi-user OODB for clinics, TCP/IP internetworking for drug studies.
Wyoming USA - Thursday, September 10, 1998 at 09:56:00 (EDT)
Florida Power & Light
Electric Company, using it more than 5 yrs
Juno Beach, Florida USA - Saturday, September 05, 1998 at 11:34:54 (EDT)
Cybertek
Life Insurance front end to a complex 30 year old mainframe application. Used VSE, then converted to VA 4.02
Dallas, TX USA - Saturday, September 05, 1998 at 08:27:30 (EDT)
Bezeq
shayb@spl.co.il
VW 2.5.x for Intelligent Networking in Telecommunications
Ramat-Gan, Israel - Wednesday, September 02, 1998 at 06:07:50 (EDT)
Avesta Technologies Inc
VW 2.5.x for distributed enterprise network management product
New York, NY USA - Tuesday, September 01, 1998 at 18:20:19 (EDT)
Robertson Stephens Funds
Uses VA Smalltalk in various Investment Management departments & also in Investment Banking.
San Francisco, CA USA - Tuesday, September 01, 1998 at 12:50:23 (EDT)
KRONOS
Uses Smalltalk for shrink-wrapped and dealer sold Time and Attendance Applications
Waltham, MA USA - Tuesday, September 01, 1998 at 09:29:39 (EDT)
Sprint
Uses Smalltalk for large telecom applications.
Kansas City, MO USA - Monday, August 31, 1998 at 21:19:11 (EDT)
Texas Instruments
Uses ControlWORKS to control machines.
Dallas, Texas USA - Monday, August 31, 1998 at 21:17:51 (EDT)
Object Edge Inc
oeinfo@objectedge.com
Objectedge uses smalltalk for banking projects and to develope frameworks
WC, CA USA - Friday, August 14, 1998 at 02:11:54 (EDT)
Progressive Insurance
Progressive insurance uses Smalltalk to write client server insurance systems.
Cleveland, OH USA - Tuesday, August 04, 1998 at 20:11:39 (EDT)
Consultis
jeremyd@consultis.com
Consultis is a nationwide provider of Information Technology professionals to Fortune 500 clients for a variety of positions. Currently we have a heavy need for SmallTalk professionals with a minimum of 1-2 years experience in the Kansas City area.
Kansas City, MO USA - Monday, August 03, 1998 at 18:20:58 (EDT)
San Joaquin Delta College
rosen@sjdccd.cc.ca.us
System 2000 is an integrated administrative solution for higher education, including a student information system (class scheduling, faculty, admissions, registration, student fees, financial aid, grades and transcripts, degree audit, etc.) and a HR/Payroll system. A financial system is planned for 1997. The application can operate in either a two or three tier client/server configuration, and includes support for "batch" processing/reporting and other deferred tasks.
San Joaquin, CA USA - Thursday, July 23, 1998 at 20:56:03 (EDT)
Banco de Guayaquil
vhpr@hotmail.com
Used VA Smalltalk for a Client/server banking system.
Guayaquil, Guayas Ecuador - Sunday, June 14, 1998 at 12:44:32 (PDT)
Hewitt Associates LLC
Human Resources application development with VA Smalltalk.
Atlanta, Georgia USA - Sunday, April 19, 1998 at 21:29:05 (EDT)
PNC Bank Corporation
Used VA Smalltalk for a Client/server real estate management system.
Pittsburgh, PA USA - Sunday, April 19, 1998 at 21:22:54 (EDT)
The Mutual Group
CustService@TheMutualGroup.com
They used VA Smalltalk to build a financial application for morgage processing.
Waterloo, Ontario USA - Sunday, April 19, 1998 at 21:18:18 (EDT)
Columbia Gas
ces@columbiaenergygroup.com>
Using IBM VisualAge for Smalltalk, Columbia Gas was able to develop a new core billing system - called the Gas Transportation System GTS) - and in doing so became the first utility in the U.S. to create a successful client/server, object-oriented technology model.
Cincinnati, Ohio USA - Sunday, April 19, 1998 at 21:12:26 (EDT)
regents park
nursing home
USA - Monday, April 06, 1998 at 21:01:46 (EDT)
DST Systems
DST designs and develops systems, software products, and services that enable companies to operate more efficiently and productively and to deliver higher levels of customer service. We specialize in serving the mutual fund, banking, insurance, and health care industries. They have been using Smalltalk for 2-3 years.
Kansas City, MO USA - Saturday, February 21, 1998 at 13:18:29 (EST)
First Union Bank
To write large corporate systems for several years.
Charlotte, NC USA - Saturday, February 21, 1998 at 13:16:12 (EST)
American Greetings
For about 2 yrs now to write corporate systems.
Cleveland, Ohio USA - Wednesday, February 18, 1998 at 20:53:58 (EST)





"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect"   --Mark Twain

"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them."   --Albert Einstein

"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses."   --George W. Bush
New Come on up!
And the sailing in the Great Lakes is very good, in the summertime anyway.

That's just three hours down the highway from where I live (the Toronto posting, that is...).
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New I thought better of you Peter. (new thread)
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New Dunno what your problem with NeoOffice is.
Starts slow, but then again so does the native C version.

Once it's up it works just fine. My son uses it for all of his school work. A word processor isn't the sort of thing I'm going to sweat a long startup time over, since it's open a lot longer than that.
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New I don't even use regular office for anything
Apple TextEdit is a great little WP and handles most all my needs.

For more I have Pages. I'm using Excel for Project Mgt at work until I finish the fancy Objective C/CLIPS based tool I'm building, otherwise, I don't need Office type suites so I can't get excited about something that takes a long time to start and consumes lots of memory.

For spreadsheets at home I'm still using AppleWorks.



"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect"   --Mark Twain

"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them."   --Albert Einstein

"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses."   --George W. Bush
New That's not a problem with NeoOffice
It's why you don't use it, which is different. The way you go on about it though you'd think it was diced Satan spleen in a lead-lined can.
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New ICLRPD. (new thread)
Created as new thread #219623 titled [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=219623|ICLRPD.]
New That and it takes too long to start
Apps have to start fast. This, BTW, is why I don't use emacs and prefer vi also.

Plus its a ram pig.



"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect"   --Mark Twain

"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them."   --Albert Einstein

"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses."   --George W. Bush
New I leave apps running.
So startup speed isn't an issue. I've got the same copy of emacs up right now that I had 20 days ago.
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New I don't



"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect"   --Mark Twain

"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them."   --Albert Einstein

"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses."   --George W. Bush
New Jeti. Java-based Jabber client.
Well, on OS/2 it seems to work.
New Re: Right. Java is great.
Yeah. Java apologist. That's a new one for me. *roll* You can hardly call me a "Java fan". It just sucks in different ways than crap like C++, VB, and Perl.

Give me a break. I'm just sick of jackasses saying crap like, "I ran a Java program once, and it sucked! So Java is teh sukc! Everywhere! Yaaarrrgh!"

Sheesh.
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New Say the last bit in Howard Dean's voice for full effect.HTH!
New I'm with ya.
It all sucks in one way or another. I'm not a developer here anymore because we're becoming a Java shop. I have reasons for disliking it but I feel no compulsion to list those to anyone whose sole argument in favorite of it is calling anyone an "idiot" who dares question the propaganda that IBM and SUN have spewed out over the years claiming that Java will take us all to the land of milk and honey. I'm getting tired of being unable to even joke about Java w/out childish attacks.
bcnu,
Mikem

It would seem, therefore, that the three human impulses embodied in religion are fear, conceit, and hatred. The purpose of religion, one might say, is to give an air of respectibility to these passions. -- Bertrand Russell
New That's what you get for being a one-note fiddle.
Sux 2 b U.


Peter
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Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
New Not as hard as it does to be you.
We'll get over Dubya, will you get over Blair? The anti-freedom campaign on your lousy little island? I think not. Have a nice day - while your government still allows you to do that. Fuckwit.
bcnu,
Mikem

It would seem, therefore, that the three human impulses embodied in religion are fear, conceit, and hatred. The purpose of religion, one might say, is to give an air of respectibility to these passions. -- Bertrand Russell
New Ooh, politics.
Our "lousy little island". "Anti-freedom".

Really, I'm hurt. I'm stung.

Oh, wait. The other thing.

Not.

All the subject-changing and mindless pseudopolitical potshots won't alter the fact that you gibber like a loon every time someone mentions Java, therefore rendering your ability to joke about it null.


Peter
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New If that's the case...
... then WTF is with calling me an "apologist"?
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New That was over the top.
My apologies. Over-reaction to Peter's over-reaction to my little joke. I started to put the sarcasm tag in but *thought* everyone would recognize it as such. Gotta remember to do that for the lessor minds...

But, I do apologize to you.
bcnu,
Mikem

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New Thanks.
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New Desktop Java sucks
AWT and Swing have sucked stellar matter since their inception. Java sucks for desktop applications. Certainly wouldn't want to write multiple, database-based applications in Delphi or C++, though.
Matthew Greet


Choose Life. Choose a job. Choose a career. Choose a family. Choose a fucking big television, choose washing machines, cars, compact disc players and electrical tin openers. Choose good health, low cholesterol, and dental insurance. Choose fixed interest mortgage repayments. Choose a starter home. Choose your friends. Choose leisurewear and matching luggage. Choose DIY and wondering who the fuck you are on a Sunday morning. Choose sitting on that couch watching mind-numbing, spirit-crushing game shows, stuffing fucking junk food into your mouth. Choose rotting away at the end of it all, pishing your last in a miserable home, nothing more than an embarrassment to the selfish, fucked up brats you spawned to replace yourself. Choose your future. Choose life... But why would I want to do a thing like that? I chose not to choose life. I chose somethin' else. And the reasons? There are no reasons. Who needs reasons when you've got heroin?
- Mark Renton, Trainspotting.
New Oh, I dunno
Certainly wouldn't want to write multiple, database-based applications in Delphi or C++, though.

Not exactly sure about what you mean by "multiple", but Delphi (and tis kissin-cousin C++ Builder) was basically designed to write database apps in. And since both have been morphed to target both Linux and Windows with the same source....










(There, CRC...saved you a slam....)
jb4
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New Yeah, thanks.
New That's it! I'm calling all your mothers...
If you boys can't play nice, then it's time you went home. One more mean lob hurled and it's off you go!

Now, straighten up and fly right.

Anyone for milk and cookies? :-D

Peace...Please!
Amy

Illegitimi non corborundum.
New OK, 1.2.3.PILE ON AMY!!!
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
New LOL!

Illegitimi non corborundum.
New cool down poppa, don't you blow your top... :-)
I can't hear the first part without also hearing the second.
so you get to enjoy too...
Have fun,
Carl Forde
New Don't tax my gig so hardcore, Cruster!
My fave line from "Encino Man".

Pauly Shore Rulz!

Peace-age!
Amy

Illegitimi non corborundum.
     Thinkfree: Java-based MS-Compatible Office Suite. - (Another Scott) - (102)
         Cool! - (imqwerky) - (3)
             What's your verdict Amy? - (jbrabeck) - (2)
                 Not too shabby. - (imqwerky) - (1)
                     Please provide updates/impressions (new thread) - (jbrabeck)
         NeoOffice/J derivative? -NT - (pwhysall) - (2)
             Nope. Different code base. -NT - (tjsinclair) - (1)
                 Lordy, they're clueless. - (pwhysall)
         Not impressed so far - (pwhysall) - (94)
             Well,... - (mmoffitt) - (88)
                 Idiot. -NT - (pwhysall) - (84)
                     Brits have no sense of humor. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (83)
                         No, we laugh at funny things. - (pwhysall) - (82)
                             Yeah, but only Todd would have meant it -NT - (drewk)
                             Right. Java is great. - (mmoffitt) - (80)
                                 ICLRPD - (boxley)
                                 You're still an idiot, no matter how much you type. -NT - (pwhysall) - (69)
                                     That's the best you got? I'm convinced. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (68)
                                         Shrug. - (pwhysall) - (67)
                                             The best answer to anecdotes are counterexamples... - (jb4) - (66)
                                                 Azureus. Eclipse. NeoOffice/J. -NT - (pwhysall) - (64)
                                                     Google Earth looks very Java-ish, too. -NT - (pwhysall)
                                                     MoneyDance. - (admin) - (21)
                                                         2 3... -NT - (tuberculosis)
                                                         Yes, IntelliJ is the Bomb! - (jb4) - (19)
                                                             I use Eclipse for Perl - (pwhysall) - (16)
                                                                 Why? - (ben_tilly) - (15)
                                                                     Someone here uses Eclipse for Perl. - (admin) - (1)
                                                                         You aren't changing my impression... - (ben_tilly)
                                                                     Instant perldoc, compile-as-you-type, svn support, etc. - (pwhysall) - (11)
                                                                         And... - (ben_tilly) - (10)
                                                                             Re: And... - (pwhysall) - (5)
                                                                                 It was a productivity drain even when I was a beginner - (ben_tilly) - (4)
                                                                                     You Are Not Me - (pwhysall) - (3)
                                                                                         Oh, I understand that - (ben_tilly) - (2)
                                                                                             I'm puzzled. - (pwhysall) - (1)
                                                                                                 If you'll notice... - (ben_tilly)
                                                                             FWIW, 175Kloc of Java, no problems in Eclipse or IDEA here - (admin) - (3)
                                                                                 I think that you'd need language support for that... - (ben_tilly) - (2)
                                                                                     60Kloc Perl, works fine. -NT - (admin) - (1)
                                                                                         I'll bet it highlights some non-errors as errors. -NT - (ben_tilly)
                                                                     I've never heard of this language called "addition" ;-) -NT - (jb4)
                                                             non programmer raises hand - (boxley) - (1)
                                                                 "Pretty HTML front end" - (admin)
                                                     NetBeans. DBVisualiser. LimeWire. -NT - (Yendor) - (10)
                                                         No, Maybe, No idea -NT - (tuberculosis) - (7)
                                                             Just for funsies though-lets eliminate programming tools: 2 -NT - (tuberculosis) - (3)
                                                                 But Eclipse is more than a programming tool - (tonytib) - (2)
                                                                     So's emacs - also Mac version of Eclipse < Windows version -NT - (tuberculosis)
                                                                     Used a commercial program based on Eclipse a while ago - (admin)
                                                             In your opinion, perhaps. - (Yendor) - (2)
                                                                 If I thought NetBeans was decent, I wouldn'a paid $ for IDEA - (tuberculosis) - (1)
                                                                     IDEA >> NetBeans, or anything else. - (admin)
                                                         thanks - (Steve Lowe) - (1)
                                                             np - (Yendor)
                                                     1 for 3 -NT - (tuberculosis) - (29)
                                                         Hey, Todd. - (pwhysall) - (21)
                                                             Mostly used for enterprise, however - (tuberculosis) - (20)
                                                                 So it's a really short list? - (pwhysall) - (19)
                                                                     Oh very well - (tuberculosis) - (18)
                                                                         Why not ObjC: - (admin) - (17)
                                                                             My impression as well. - (Another Scott)
                                                                             Smalltalk in Objective C - (tuberculosis) - (1)
                                                                                 Fine. What does that have to do with anything else? -NT - (admin)
                                                                             Bah - disengaging - (tuberculosis) - (13)
                                                                                 Er, no. That wasn't the argument. - (admin) - (12)
                                                                                     Whose argument was that? - (mmoffitt) - (2)
                                                                                         For Todd, it was here: - (admin) - (1)
                                                                                             Ah. -NT - (mmoffitt)
                                                                                     Things were childish long before this - (tuberculosis) - (8)
                                                                                         Point missed again. -NT - (admin) - (1)
                                                                                             Poof -NT - (tuberculosis)
                                                                                         Who said a damn thing about development? - (pwhysall) - (5)
                                                                                             Hey Peter - (tuberculosis) - (4)
                                                                                                 That's a lot of words to say... - (pwhysall) - (3)
                                                                                                     3 lists posted - (tuberculosis) - (1)
                                                                                                         Come on up! - (jake123)
                                                                                                     I thought better of you Peter. (new thread) - (static)
                                                         Dunno what your problem with NeoOffice is. - (admin) - (6)
                                                             I don't even use regular office for anything - (tuberculosis) - (5)
                                                                 That's not a problem with NeoOffice - (admin) - (4)
                                                                     ICLRPD. (new thread) - (Another Scott)
                                                                     That and it takes too long to start - (tuberculosis) - (2)
                                                                         I leave apps running. - (admin) - (1)
                                                                             I don't -NT - (tuberculosis)
                                                 Jeti. Java-based Jabber client. - (n3jja)
                                 Re: Right. Java is great. - (admin) - (8)
                                     Say the last bit in Howard Dean's voice for full effect.HTH! -NT - (Another Scott)
                                     I'm with ya. - (mmoffitt) - (6)
                                         That's what you get for being a one-note fiddle. - (pwhysall) - (2)
                                             Not as hard as it does to be you. - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                                                 Ooh, politics. - (pwhysall)
                                         If that's the case... - (admin) - (2)
                                             That was over the top. - (mmoffitt) - (1)
                                                 Thanks. -NT - (admin)
                 Desktop Java sucks - (warmachine) - (2)
                     Oh, I dunno - (jb4) - (1)
                         Yeah, thanks. -NT - (CRConrad)
             That's it! I'm calling all your mothers... - (imqwerky) - (4)
                 OK, 1.2.3.PILE ON AMY!!! -NT - (ben_tilly) - (1)
                     LOL! -NT - (imqwerky)
                 cool down poppa, don't you blow your top... :-) - (cforde) - (1)
                     Don't tax my gig so hardcore, Cruster! - (imqwerky)

Boogity, boogity, boogity, amen!
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