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Post #219,014
by ben_tilly
8/12/05 11:29:52 AM
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New I believe that they are not actually violating the license
As long as they don't redistribute Asterisk, they don't have to return their changes under GPL v2. The explanation that I heard suggests that, appearances notwithstanding, they are not actually violating the GPL v2. They're just leaning very, very hard on the loophole.

Perhaps this example may help demonstrate to Skip why Stallman might reasonably have changed his mind on this topic.

Cheers,
Ben
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Post #220,320
by imric
8/21/05 2:24:07 PM
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New Still in wait and see mode!
This whole thing may be a non-issue. I hope so. I quit considering this; it's pointless until we can see.
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Post #220,352
by ben_tilly
8/21/05 10:14:30 PM
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New Not so pointless
Whether or not this group is violating the license (which depends on facts that I know through hearsay and cannot prove), the fact that this is possible demonstrates that there is a loophole which can be used in ways that most people who use the GPL probably wouldn't like.

Whether or not it is a good idea to try to shut down said loophole is another isssue. But the point remains that the spirit of the GPL can be abused by putting an http rpc mechanism in front of GPLed code and shipping a proprietary thin client.

Cheers,
Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
     Made up my mind, the FSF *is* anti-business - (drewk) - (30) - Aug. 10, 2005, 12:57:50 PM EDT
         Okay Skip^H^H^H^HBrett^H^H^H^H^HDrew. - (folkert) - Aug. 10, 2005, 04:40:55 PM EDT
         Too right - (pwhysall) - Aug. 10, 2005, 05:03:02 PM EDT
         Okay, here it is - (drewk) - (27) - Aug. 11, 2005, 08:04:51 AM EDT
             Whattaya talking about? - (broomberg) - (14) - Aug. 11, 2005, 08:54:46 AM EDT
                 Hmm, trying to find a link - (drewk) - (13) - Aug. 11, 2005, 09:33:37 AM EDT
                     TIVO - (broomberg) - (12) - Aug. 11, 2005, 10:45:42 AM EDT
                         Wasn't there a camp saying they had to release everything? -NT - (drewk) - (11) - Aug. 11, 2005, 11:09:44 AM EDT
                             Big thread... - (bepatient) - (10) - Aug. 11, 2005, 12:02:29 PM EDT
                                 Classic - (altmann) - Aug. 11, 2005, 12:14:20 PM EDT
                                 That's all about price, though - (drewk) - (8) - Aug. 11, 2005, 12:26:59 PM EDT
                                     Applications that ride along do not need to be open source. -NT - (broomberg) - (7) - Aug. 11, 2005, 12:29:10 PM EDT
                                         This is starting to sound like fertile ground for lawyers -NT - (drewk) - (6) - Aug. 11, 2005, 01:08:58 PM EDT
                                             ObSentientLRPD: It got me an A+ on a biology paper. -NT - (inthane-chan) - Aug. 11, 2005, 01:26:55 PM EDT
                                             If you have to ask, you can't afford it. -NT - (Another Scott) - Aug. 11, 2005, 01:47:42 PM EDT
                                             Been that way for many internet EONs. -NT - (folkert) - (1) - Aug. 11, 2005, 02:31:15 PM EDT
                                                 Today, you dance for my amusement. -NT - (inthane-chan) - Aug. 11, 2005, 04:11:19 PM EDT
                                             Keeping you in touch with temptation. -NT - (admin) - Aug. 11, 2005, 03:43:07 PM EDT
                                             Hello! Woody! Do you want join in vehement athletics? -NT - (Ashton) - Aug. 11, 2005, 03:59:43 PM EDT
             Here is a better example - (ben_tilly) - (11) - Aug. 11, 2005, 04:52:28 PM EDT
                 Now *that* kind of "web service" *is* a loophole - (drewk) - (1) - Aug. 11, 2005, 05:45:57 PM EDT
                     No, it is a loophole - see my reply to bepatient -NT - (ben_tilly) - Aug. 11, 2005, 07:01:58 PM EDT
                 FWIW, Asterisk can be commercially licensed -NT - (altmann) - Aug. 11, 2005, 06:09:41 PM EDT
                 Not really. - (bepatient) - (7) - Aug. 11, 2005, 06:17:01 PM EDT
                     Nope, they are not - (ben_tilly) - (6) - Aug. 11, 2005, 07:01:33 PM EDT
                         Re: Nope, they are not - (bepatient) - (5) - Aug. 11, 2005, 10:04:26 PM EDT
                             The source of my impression... - (ben_tilly) - (4) - Aug. 11, 2005, 11:28:28 PM EDT
                                 Thats fine - (bepatient) - (3) - Aug. 12, 2005, 09:19:39 AM EDT
                                     I believe that they are not actually violating the license - (ben_tilly) - (2) - Aug. 12, 2005, 11:29:52 AM EDT
                                         Still in wait and see mode! - (imric) - (1) - Aug. 21, 2005, 02:24:07 PM EDT
                                             Not so pointless - (ben_tilly) - Aug. 21, 2005, 10:14:30 PM EDT

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