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by imric

8/8/05 4:28:30 PM

I started this

trying to get somebody to tell me where I was wrong.

The GPL is the FSF's, true.

The software is not.

I think v3 is a disaster that will wreck what could be a revolution in software development; and software has never been more important than it is now. If I can't sway the FSF (and you're right, I think I'd have more luck trying to talk the Hubble back into orbit), then I'll take my misgivings to forums, hoping to reach developers. If they all say "fuck you, and fuck business", then the code base will split, one for business, one for the FSF disciples, and the FSF will deserve both obscurity and curses.

I truly hope my paramism (pessanoia?) is misplaced, but I don't think so.

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As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.

This has been bugging me. - (imric) - (72) - Aug. 8, 2005, 01:28:30 PM EDT

It's the usual cack. - (pwhysall) - (13) - Aug. 8, 2005, 01:58:45 PM EDT

Nonsense, Peter. - (imric) - (12) - Aug. 8, 2005, 02:19:00 PM EDT

I repeat. - (pwhysall) - (3) - Aug. 8, 2005, 02:27:25 PM EDT

I care about this, Peter. - (imric) - (2) - Aug. 8, 2005, 02:38:01 PM EDT

I don't doubt that you care. - (pwhysall) - (1) - Aug. 8, 2005, 02:44:15 PM EDT

It's true that it may be less of a problem - (imric) - Aug. 8, 2005, 02:53:44 PM EDT

the fact that you dont distribute your software - (boxley) - (1) - Aug. 8, 2005, 02:32:11 PM EDT

disgruntled >>--> Whistleblower laws. -NT - (imric) - Aug. 8, 2005, 02:39:50 PM EDT

Also, looky here: - (pwhysall) - (5) - Aug. 8, 2005, 02:32:33 PM EDT

ICLRPD (new thread) - (Steve Lowe) - Aug. 8, 2005, 02:41:18 PM EDT

Woo hoo. - (imric) - (2) - Aug. 8, 2005, 02:42:17 PM EDT

Remember, existing GPLv2 software will remain GPLv2 - (pwhysall) - (1) - Aug. 8, 2005, 02:46:09 PM EDT

ROFL - just posted that is a mitigating factor... - (imric) - Aug. 8, 2005, 02:54:36 PM EDT

He who controls the compiler... - (ChrisR) - Aug. 8, 2005, 02:49:32 PM EDT

How is it ridiculous? - (JayMehaffey) - (36) - Aug. 8, 2005, 03:49:56 PM EDT

Bravo. -NT - (folkert) - (23) - Aug. 8, 2005, 04:01:32 PM EDT

Guess you don't want to use application source - (imric) - (22) - Aug. 8, 2005, 04:04:34 PM EDT

Here is my grounds for poo-pooing your concern. - (folkert) - (6) - Aug. 8, 2005, 06:10:58 PM EDT

No. Wrong. And this is why - (imric) - (5) - Aug. 8, 2005, 09:25:40 PM EDT

Exactly the kind of response I expected. - (folkert) - (4) - Aug. 8, 2005, 09:35:15 PM EDT

Horsecrap. - (imric) - (3) - Aug. 8, 2005, 10:00:19 PM EDT

The binaries have not been distributed . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (2) - Aug. 8, 2005, 10:52:35 PM EDT

And then GPL4. - (imric) - Aug. 8, 2005, 10:53:45 PM EDT

Or most OSS used for web services won't be GPL3 -NT - (tonytib) - Aug. 9, 2005, 11:09:09 AM EDT

Another train of thought, I need to mention. - (folkert) - (5) - Aug. 8, 2005, 06:23:20 PM EDT

question, using go-global - (boxley) - (1) - Aug. 8, 2005, 06:35:34 PM EDT

I knowest not. -NT - (folkert) - Aug. 8, 2005, 06:36:27 PM EDT

Since MS software is licenced per user - (imric) - (2) - Aug. 8, 2005, 09:26:59 PM EDT

No... there is only one user. - (folkert) - (1) - Aug. 8, 2005, 09:33:46 PM EDT

Again, ridiculous. - (imric) - Aug. 8, 2005, 09:59:23 PM EDT

Excuse me. I am a programmer. - (ben_tilly) - (8) - Aug. 8, 2005, 07:55:39 PM EDT

there is a place for all kinds - (boxley) - (1) - Aug. 8, 2005, 08:35:29 PM EDT

Perl's licensing situation is interesting - (ben_tilly) - Aug. 8, 2005, 08:47:14 PM EDT

Not at all, Ben. - (imric) - (5) - Aug. 8, 2005, 09:44:15 PM EDT

Perspective is all - (ChrisR) - (4) - Aug. 8, 2005, 09:57:19 PM EDT

Pirates? - (imric) - (3) - Aug. 8, 2005, 10:11:53 PM EDT

Pirate analogy is a different issue - (ChrisR) - (2) - Aug. 8, 2005, 10:42:16 PM EDT

I disagree - (broomberg) - (1) - Aug. 8, 2005, 10:46:16 PM EDT

The original instigation for FSF - (ChrisR) - Aug. 8, 2005, 11:16:18 PM EDT

How is that a 'loophole' unless - (imric) - (11) - Aug. 8, 2005, 04:01:46 PM EDT

It's a loophole for the FSF. - (pwhysall) - (6) - Aug. 8, 2005, 04:05:12 PM EDT

http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=21 - (imric) - (2) - Aug. 8, 2005, 04:07:22 PM EDT

Your point? - (pwhysall) - (1) - Aug. 8, 2005, 04:10:54 PM EDT

I started this - (imric) - Aug. 8, 2005, 04:28:30 PM EDT

Business Interests - (ChrisR) - (2) - Aug. 8, 2005, 04:25:20 PM EDT

Most businesses... - (pwhysall) - Aug. 8, 2005, 04:28:35 PM EDT

Same difference, if the apps are GPLed. -NT - (imric) - Aug. 8, 2005, 04:29:02 PM EDT

It's contrary to the spirit of the GPL - (JayMehaffey) - (3) - Aug. 8, 2005, 06:45:32 PM EDT

Except, of course - (imric) - (2) - Aug. 8, 2005, 10:16:36 PM EDT

Not anti-Buisness - (JayMehaffey) - (1) - Aug. 8, 2005, 10:47:55 PM EDT

*shrug* same as BSD - (imric) - Aug. 8, 2005, 10:50:32 PM EDT

Sorry Skip, you are lacking some significant clues - (ben_tilly) - (3) - Aug. 8, 2005, 07:41:42 PM EDT

Ruining business? - (imric) - (2) - Aug. 8, 2005, 10:06:32 PM EDT

And you're still missing the point - (ben_tilly) - (1) - Aug. 9, 2005, 02:42:27 AM EDT

And that's what I did - I slept on it. - (imric) - Aug. 9, 2005, 07:08:34 AM EDT

I was going to say something smart-ass here, - (broomberg) - (14) - Aug. 8, 2005, 09:11:07 PM EDT

No. You are not listening. Just like the rest. - (imric) - (13) - Aug. 8, 2005, 09:58:06 PM EDT

Re: No. You are not listening. Just like the rest. - (bepatient) - Aug. 8, 2005, 10:11:23 PM EDT

Religion? - (broomberg) - (5) - Aug. 8, 2005, 10:32:07 PM EDT

Listen carefully, now. - (imric) - (4) - Aug. 8, 2005, 10:47:31 PM EDT

A collective yawn - (ChrisR) - (3) - Aug. 8, 2005, 11:37:29 PM EDT

Long term = 0 - (bepatient) - Aug. 9, 2005, 01:01:56 AM EDT

I don't think he's talking about selling mods . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (1) - Aug. 9, 2005, 01:15:34 AM EDT

Correct - reselling not the point. - (imric) - Aug. 9, 2005, 07:00:45 AM EDT

I think I understand where you're coming from. - (Another Scott) - (1) - Aug. 8, 2005, 10:49:19 PM EDT

Yeah. I think the 'coming fork' is a bad thing, though -NT - (imric) - Aug. 8, 2005, 11:09:48 PM EDT

I think this is where you are going wrong - (JayMehaffey) - Aug. 8, 2005, 11:10:42 PM EDT

I am not missing this point. - (folkert) - (2) - Aug. 9, 2005, 05:53:10 PM EDT

I see what you're saying - (imric) - (1) - Aug. 9, 2005, 06:13:59 PM EDT

BTW, this discussion should really be moved to (new thread) - (imric) - Aug. 9, 2005, 06:15:33 PM EDT

Several things - (ubernostrum) - (1) - Aug. 9, 2005, 07:32:38 AM EDT

More good points (new thread) - (imric) - Aug. 9, 2005, 08:47:45 AM EDT

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