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Post #218,127
by pwhysall
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8/8/05 2:32:33 PM
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New Also, looky here:
Apache: Apache Licence
X.org: X11 Licence (without the knobs on)
Perl: Artistic Licence
FreeBSD: BSD Licence
Python: PSF Licence
OpenSolaris 10: Just kidding.
et cetera, et cetera.

There's a world of free software out there that doesn't even have to involve the GPL.

Peter
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Post #218,135
by Steve Lowe
8/8/05 2:41:18 PM
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New ICLRPD (new thread)
Created as new thread #218134 titled [link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=218134|ICLRPD]
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Steve
Post #218,136
by imric
8/8/05 2:42:17 PM
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New Woo hoo.
So what. That HAS nothing to do with any of my concerns re: the future of the GPL and GPLed software. But you knew that, didn't you?
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Post #218,137
by pwhysall
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8/8/05 2:46:09 PM
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New Remember, existing GPLv2 software will remain GPLv2
You're free to fork and maintain under V2.

And that'll happen: just watch.

Peter
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Post #218,142
by imric
8/8/05 2:54:36 PM
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New ROFL - just posted that is a mitigating factor...
*GRIN*
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Imric's Tips for Living
  • Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
  • Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
  • Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.


Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
 
 


Post #218,138
by ChrisR
8/8/05 2:49:32 PM
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New He who controls the compiler...
...FSF knew early on that all software hinges on having a freely available compiler. There's not much call for tweaking it, but I would note that practically every piece of free software out there does use GCC. Now, if GNU were to start clamping down on use of GCC libraries and the use of it for generating code under other licenses...

But then, everyone would just start forking off the current compiler which operates under the currently more liberal license. Which is more likely what will happen if business starts to get nervous with GPLv3. Just take the current snapshot of the software and tweak it to your hearts content. GNU can choose any license they want. But having licensed the software under terms less than GPLv3, they'll find that they're going to have a hard time getting followers.

As in all things, those who write the software get to determine what license they want to use. Those who consume the software get to decide whether they want to use the software. By all means, GNU has the right to put future versions under any license they wish. What they don't have the right to do is revoke the software that has been issued under past licenses. Nor do they have a right to automatically have producers and consumers of free software automatically fall in line.
     This has been bugging me. - (imric) - (72) - Aug. 8, 2005, 01:28:30 PM EDT
         It's the usual cack. - (pwhysall) - (13) - Aug. 8, 2005, 01:58:45 PM EDT
             Nonsense, Peter. - (imric) - (12) - Aug. 8, 2005, 02:19:00 PM EDT
                 I repeat. - (pwhysall) - (3) - Aug. 8, 2005, 02:27:25 PM EDT
                     I care about this, Peter. - (imric) - (2) - Aug. 8, 2005, 02:38:01 PM EDT
                         I don't doubt that you care. - (pwhysall) - (1) - Aug. 8, 2005, 02:44:15 PM EDT
                             It's true that it may be less of a problem - (imric) - Aug. 8, 2005, 02:53:44 PM EDT
                 the fact that you dont distribute your software - (boxley) - (1) - Aug. 8, 2005, 02:32:11 PM EDT
                     disgruntled >>--> Whistleblower laws. -NT - (imric) - Aug. 8, 2005, 02:39:50 PM EDT
                 Also, looky here: - (pwhysall) - (5) - Aug. 8, 2005, 02:32:33 PM EDT
                     ICLRPD (new thread) - (Steve Lowe) - Aug. 8, 2005, 02:41:18 PM EDT
                     Woo hoo. - (imric) - (2) - Aug. 8, 2005, 02:42:17 PM EDT
                         Remember, existing GPLv2 software will remain GPLv2 - (pwhysall) - (1) - Aug. 8, 2005, 02:46:09 PM EDT
                             ROFL - just posted that is a mitigating factor... - (imric) - Aug. 8, 2005, 02:54:36 PM EDT
                     He who controls the compiler... - (ChrisR) - Aug. 8, 2005, 02:49:32 PM EDT
         How is it ridiculous? - (JayMehaffey) - (36) - Aug. 8, 2005, 03:49:56 PM EDT
             Bravo. -NT - (folkert) - (23) - Aug. 8, 2005, 04:01:32 PM EDT
                 Guess you don't want to use application source - (imric) - (22) - Aug. 8, 2005, 04:04:34 PM EDT
                     Here is my grounds for poo-pooing your concern. - (folkert) - (6) - Aug. 8, 2005, 06:10:58 PM EDT
                         No. Wrong. And this is why - (imric) - (5) - Aug. 8, 2005, 09:25:40 PM EDT
                             Exactly the kind of response I expected. - (folkert) - (4) - Aug. 8, 2005, 09:35:15 PM EDT
                                 Horsecrap. - (imric) - (3) - Aug. 8, 2005, 10:00:19 PM EDT
                                     The binaries have not been distributed . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (2) - Aug. 8, 2005, 10:52:35 PM EDT
                                         And then GPL4. - (imric) - Aug. 8, 2005, 10:53:45 PM EDT
                                         Or most OSS used for web services won't be GPL3 -NT - (tonytib) - Aug. 9, 2005, 11:09:09 AM EDT
                     Another train of thought, I need to mention. - (folkert) - (5) - Aug. 8, 2005, 06:23:20 PM EDT
                         question, using go-global - (boxley) - (1) - Aug. 8, 2005, 06:35:34 PM EDT
                             I knowest not. -NT - (folkert) - Aug. 8, 2005, 06:36:27 PM EDT
                         Since MS software is licenced per user - (imric) - (2) - Aug. 8, 2005, 09:26:59 PM EDT
                             No... there is only one user. - (folkert) - (1) - Aug. 8, 2005, 09:33:46 PM EDT
                                 Again, ridiculous. - (imric) - Aug. 8, 2005, 09:59:23 PM EDT
                     Excuse me. I am a programmer. - (ben_tilly) - (8) - Aug. 8, 2005, 07:55:39 PM EDT
                         there is a place for all kinds - (boxley) - (1) - Aug. 8, 2005, 08:35:29 PM EDT
                             Perl's licensing situation is interesting - (ben_tilly) - Aug. 8, 2005, 08:47:14 PM EDT
                         Not at all, Ben. - (imric) - (5) - Aug. 8, 2005, 09:44:15 PM EDT
                             Perspective is all - (ChrisR) - (4) - Aug. 8, 2005, 09:57:19 PM EDT
                                 Pirates? - (imric) - (3) - Aug. 8, 2005, 10:11:53 PM EDT
                                     Pirate analogy is a different issue - (ChrisR) - (2) - Aug. 8, 2005, 10:42:16 PM EDT
                                         I disagree - (broomberg) - (1) - Aug. 8, 2005, 10:46:16 PM EDT
                                             The original instigation for FSF - (ChrisR) - Aug. 8, 2005, 11:16:18 PM EDT
             How is that a 'loophole' unless - (imric) - (11) - Aug. 8, 2005, 04:01:46 PM EDT
                 It's a loophole for the FSF. - (pwhysall) - (6) - Aug. 8, 2005, 04:05:12 PM EDT
                     http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=21 - (imric) - (2) - Aug. 8, 2005, 04:07:22 PM EDT
                         Your point? - (pwhysall) - (1) - Aug. 8, 2005, 04:10:54 PM EDT
                             I started this - (imric) - Aug. 8, 2005, 04:28:30 PM EDT
                     Business Interests - (ChrisR) - (2) - Aug. 8, 2005, 04:25:20 PM EDT
                         Most businesses... - (pwhysall) - Aug. 8, 2005, 04:28:35 PM EDT
                         Same difference, if the apps are GPLed. -NT - (imric) - Aug. 8, 2005, 04:29:02 PM EDT
                 It's contrary to the spirit of the GPL - (JayMehaffey) - (3) - Aug. 8, 2005, 06:45:32 PM EDT
                     Except, of course - (imric) - (2) - Aug. 8, 2005, 10:16:36 PM EDT
                         Not anti-Buisness - (JayMehaffey) - (1) - Aug. 8, 2005, 10:47:55 PM EDT
                             *shrug* same as BSD - (imric) - Aug. 8, 2005, 10:50:32 PM EDT
         Sorry Skip, you are lacking some significant clues - (ben_tilly) - (3) - Aug. 8, 2005, 07:41:42 PM EDT
             Ruining business? - (imric) - (2) - Aug. 8, 2005, 10:06:32 PM EDT
                 And you're still missing the point - (ben_tilly) - (1) - Aug. 9, 2005, 02:42:27 AM EDT
                     And that's what I did - I slept on it. - (imric) - Aug. 9, 2005, 07:08:34 AM EDT
         I was going to say something smart-ass here, - (broomberg) - (14) - Aug. 8, 2005, 09:11:07 PM EDT
             No. You are not listening. Just like the rest. - (imric) - (13) - Aug. 8, 2005, 09:58:06 PM EDT
                 Re: No. You are not listening. Just like the rest. - (bepatient) - Aug. 8, 2005, 10:11:23 PM EDT
                 Religion? - (broomberg) - (5) - Aug. 8, 2005, 10:32:07 PM EDT
                     Listen carefully, now. - (imric) - (4) - Aug. 8, 2005, 10:47:31 PM EDT
                         A collective yawn - (ChrisR) - (3) - Aug. 8, 2005, 11:37:29 PM EDT
                             Long term = 0 - (bepatient) - Aug. 9, 2005, 01:01:56 AM EDT
                             I don't think he's talking about selling mods . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (1) - Aug. 9, 2005, 01:15:34 AM EDT
                                 Correct - reselling not the point. - (imric) - Aug. 9, 2005, 07:00:45 AM EDT
                 I think I understand where you're coming from. - (Another Scott) - (1) - Aug. 8, 2005, 10:49:19 PM EDT
                     Yeah. I think the 'coming fork' is a bad thing, though -NT - (imric) - Aug. 8, 2005, 11:09:48 PM EDT
                 I think this is where you are going wrong - (JayMehaffey) - Aug. 8, 2005, 11:10:42 PM EDT
                 I am not missing this point. - (folkert) - (2) - Aug. 9, 2005, 05:53:10 PM EDT
                     I see what you're saying - (imric) - (1) - Aug. 9, 2005, 06:13:59 PM EDT
                         BTW, this discussion should really be moved to (new thread) - (imric) - Aug. 9, 2005, 06:15:33 PM EDT
         Several things - (ubernostrum) - (1) - Aug. 9, 2005, 07:32:38 AM EDT
             More good points (new thread) - (imric) - Aug. 9, 2005, 08:47:45 AM EDT

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