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New NYC Police start checking bags on the subway
[link|http://www.nytimes.com/2005/07/22/nyregion/22york.html?hp&ex=1122091200&en=22b05a0a12cd25a8&ei=5094&partner=homepage|New York Starts to Inspect Bags on the Subways]

After what happened in London it is quite understandable, but it still a big step in the US.
New UK Police start shooting people on the Tube
[link|http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4706787.stm|http://news.bbc.co.u...hi/uk/4706787.stm]


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New So it was necessary to shoot him *after* they'd stopped him?
Hopefully the police will be able to call Mornington Crescent here soon, though.
Regards,

-scott anderson

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New Given recent events, I can't say with certainty, "no"
He was likely to have gone *bang*, which is presumably why he was being chased by three police officers, one of whom was visibly armed, and didn't particularly want to discuss it with them.


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New well done, now if the passengers were allowed to carry guns
sad attempt at humor but at least the cops appear trained, no innocent bystanders catching bullets unlike amny Police Departments in the US. It appears the Brit Government is responding responsibly to the threats.
thanx,
bill



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New Bloomberg speaks:
Mr. Bloomberg acknowledged that passengers might be inconvenienced. "It's a complex world where, sadly, there are a lot of bad people," he said. "We know that our freedoms are threatening to certain individuals, and there's no reason for us to let our guard down."


Read: "We know our freedoms are threatening to certain individuals, especially those who populate our govenrment, so to make sure that that we don't offend any foreigners or our own govenrmental neo-fascists, we'll remove those freedoms from our general populace, so there's no reason for us to let our guard down."
jb4
shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT

New Um, what's the alternative to searching random bags?
As a result of past terrorist incidents, bags on airplanes are searched. Similarly now with subways, except these are random searches, IIRC.

What's the alternative that can be implemented reasonably quickly? It's easy to criticize, but what do you think he and they should do instead?

Or are you somehow equating Bloomberg with Bush+Cheney and regard any change in security measures as a jackboot across your neck? :-/

It seems to me that the idea of a "web of trust" that someone came up with is something worth pursuing. Society will crawl to a halt if everyone has to be searched before doing anything. Rather than searching everyone, it makes more sense to have an identification system where you have a list of people who will vouche for you. "JB, yeah I know him - he's a little wacky, but he wouldn't hurt a fly." Everyone would have a list of people that could vouche for them. So the system would work like this:

1) JB presents himself at an event requiring identification.
2) JB presents ID saying "I'm JB" with list of people who vouche for him.
3) (Magic Secure Box) checks JB's list against list of vouching people.
4) If they match, JB goes in.
5) If they don't, JB answers questions.

This type of system gets around the problem of coming up with a tamperproof ID that matches the person carrying it. (A fake ID can match a person carrying it but still not prove that the person is who they say they are.)

Yes, it's not perfect. The Magic Secure Box must do its job quickly and be resistant to tampering by people inside and outside the system. But it seems to be a way to minimize the stess on society by concentrating searches, etc., on people who haven't yet demonstrated that they're trustworthy.

I haven't found a linky for the "web of trust" or whatever it was called. If I do, I'll post it.

Cheers,
Scott.
New It's called a suicide bomber.
"Hi, I'm a nice normal 42 year old male professional. I've got lots of friends who vouch for me. We all came here with these backpacks<BOOM>"

(Friends - who are still alive) "I can't believe he did that. I knew him...not that well, but I knew him. Wow."




Seriously. Our rules are set up to find people who commit repeated acts. Think about rapists ex ceterea; they're repeat offenders. Suicide bombers commit one violent act.
New Well, yeah, that can be a problem. :-/
I guess that Ashton's right then: We're all doomed.

On that happy note.[link|http://groups-beta.google.com/group/JokeOfTheDay/msg/3003c95fdaf85b72?hl=en&|...]:

A tourist, seeking respite from the cold northern winter,
landed at the southern airport. In an airport taxi cab,
the tourist asked the driver..."Say, is this really a
healthful place?"

"Oh, sure it is!" the cabby replied. "Look, when I came
here I couldn't even say one word. I had hardly any hair
on my head. I didn't have the strength to walk across a
room, and I had to be lifted out of bed."

"That's absolutely amazing!" said the tourist , "So tell
me, how long have you been here?"

"I was born here."


Yeah, not much of a Joke of the Day, but waddayawantfernothin.

;-)

Cheers,
Scott.
New I suppose Magic Secure Box would be put out for bid
Winning bidders: Bechtel, with a nice subcontract for Diebold to produce the firmware.

Right?
jb4
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New The Y-Chromosome detector box?
     NYC Police start checking bags on the subway - (bluke) - (10)
         UK Police start shooting people on the Tube - (pwhysall) - (3)
             So it was necessary to shoot him *after* they'd stopped him? - (admin) - (2)
                 Given recent events, I can't say with certainty, "no" - (pwhysall)
                 well done, now if the passengers were allowed to carry guns - (boxley)
         Bloomberg speaks: - (jb4) - (5)
             Um, what's the alternative to searching random bags? - (Another Scott) - (4)
                 It's called a suicide bomber. - (Simon_Jester) - (1)
                     Well, yeah, that can be a problem. :-/ - (Another Scott)
                 I suppose Magic Secure Box would be put out for bid - (jb4) - (1)
                     The Y-Chromosome detector box? -NT - (Ashton)

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