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Post #215,893 by Another Scott 7/21/05 8:18:25 AM Reply	You're mixing terms. This thread started with a discussion about being "safe" at home. [link\|http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=safe\|Safe] means several things that are different depending on the context: safe Audio pronunciation of "safe" ( P ) Pronunciation Key (sf) adj. saf\ufffder, saf\ufffdest 1. Secure from danger, harm, or evil. 2. Free from danger or injury; unhurt: safe and sound. 3. Free from risk; sure: a safe bet. 4. Affording protection: a safe place. 5. Baseball. Having reached a base without being put out, as a batter or base runner. Being safe from attack from an unknown stranger doesn't mean that accidents can't happen. If you take safe to mean a place where nothing unpleasant happens, well there's no such place. As such, a "safe place" has no meaning. It's like discussing invisible pink unicorns.... Drew's point is that the word "anything" is extremely broad. If your safety is in God's hands, then signs and burgular alarms really aren't necessary, are they? IMO, safety from others involves common sense and taking reasonable precautions. Safety from houses falling out of the sky, well, I don't think signs are going to help much.... "Falling-House Free Zone" ;-) Try not to worry so much. Enjoy life while you can. Cheers, Scott.
Post #215,971 by Nightowl 7/21/05 4:56:14 PM 7/21/05 5:15:31 PM Reply	Hmmm, trying to get it This thread started with a discussion about being "safe" at home. [link\|http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=safe\|Safe] means several things that are different depending on the context: No, not really. I thought it was about how to FEEL safe not how to BE safe. Isn't there a huge difference? Being safe from attack from an unknown stranger doesn't mean that accidents can't happen. Obviously, because they can. In that respect, yes, Drew could drown where he's sitting, because suppose an airplane with water tanks crashed or dropped the water over his house... I never say never. If you take safe to mean a place where nothing unpleasant happens, well there's no such place. As such, a "safe place" has no meaning. It's like discussing invisible pink unicorns.... But I don't mean that such a place exists. I mean that I go to the "place" in my mind to feel safe, so that I'm not constantly paranoid about being shot any minute, the house catching fire any minute, etc etc. Otherwise I'm a nervous wreck, which I've been trying to avoid. I was a mess after 9/11, I was certain planes would crash into my house. I had to find an "inner" place inside myself to be able to stop worrying about such an unlikely (but not impossible), event. Drew's point is that the word "anything" is extremely broad. I guess so, but I'm still not sure what he was saying, whether he was saying he WAS likely to drown, or wasn't. You guys's sarcasm befuddles me a lot. If your safety is in God's hands, then signs and burgular alarms really aren't necessary, are they? IMO, safety from others involves common sense and taking reasonable precautions. Safety from houses falling out of the sky, well, I don't think signs are going to help much.... The signs and burglar alarms are us helping ourselves achieve the wanted goal. Yes, God is ultimately responsible for my safety, but it doesn't help if I leave all my doors and windows open or run a gas appliance without the pilot light lit. He does expect us to try and take care of ourselves and help ourselves however we can. Example, if you ask him to give you a job, and then don't go out and submit applications, you aren't helping yourself. Try not to worry so much. Enjoy life while you can. I'm getting better at not worrying, and that "inner" place has helped. Brenda "I see little yellow butterflies fluttering round my head and hear little happy bluebirds singing overhead....all will be just fine!" Edited by Nightowl July 21, 2005, 05:15:31 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #215,989 by Ashton 7/21/05 7:27:05 PM Reply	Brenda, in this case: they're (mostly) Fucked, y'know? I believe you gave a perfectly comprehensible == a bloody-ACCEPTABLE English language explanation of what you MEANT by the phrase,'FEELING SAFE' ... {enough.. for Government Work}. That CRC is the Boss-[link\|http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=persnickety&db=\|Persnickety]-one-of-Guido's-pecksniff-gang to-end-all-Persnickety-ones, on matters of ~~Faithn'Morals~~ language syntax ritual / Goddish matters [He's Sure, you see - why, he looked around and saw Nary a One] .. ergo: it is utterly fruitless for you to Bite on his logical, mechanical deconstructions of any of your utterances. Y'see? As for 'feeling safe' -- some others assign that attribute to a larger-Sense 'state' most often called, peaceful. Some ffolks, especially those heavily immersed in multitasking thousands of daily trivial make-work activities: just.. never.. achieve Either of these 'states'! (Except catatonia / other sleep-mode, oft drug-induced --- why d'ya think, Some people pine for repeated surgeries!?) (BTW .. That abominable unHuman situation appears Central, IMnshO: to the reasons why* the US has become the Fucked-country, probably to END-All-Other Fucked-countries? in the not-so-distant future.) So, whatever Works for you, to snatch a few endorphins out of a silly schedule which You Have Created for Yourself.. 's OK by moi. You have demonstrated that you are not a Stupid person, though your English language 'recognition vocabulary' is pretty fucking low, for an intelligent adult. That peculiarity, however - is not about (that tiresomely vaunted) 'Intelligence'-thing nor is it about one's Emotional Smarts, at all -- though some just Love to imagine that word-dyslexia connotes both. Screw. Them. Tell 'em to POAD - piss.off.and.die. Peace, moi (We Sophisticated cha Ones cha -in fact- do enjoy immensely, the nuances available amidst the million-or-so Eng. Words extant, many stolen from all those Other word-noises ever uttered.) But ya don't allus gets What Yaa Waant, within this fine day-to-day Illusion dream-thingy.
Post #215,993 by Ashton 7/21/05 8:34:50 PM Reply	PS - that Word thing... again Maybe. you. just. Don't 'know' --?-- how, frequently, It Is -- in homo-saps who are Not-you [?] Y'see most of us.. possess a nexus of ALL word-associations Evah; a thingy far too er holographic? as ever to be decipherable, parse-able, expressible - even for a second PhD AND a key to the Executive john. Clearly.. 'words' are (for most, save the 'gifted' dyslexics, certain autistics) - the very basis of most of our pedestrian 'thought' things of any sort. There IS no map of this territory, and neurons/axons are just current baby-steps towards foolishly imagining some future Grand-dissection of what Being-Alive ""means"" [Talk about Stooopid..] cha. cha. cha. So if.. you have as much trouble as, it is apparent: You Do, with even so relatively-common a word as cloying; also haven't figure out that.. what you needed above was a thesaurus to rummage about in, for some likely phrase which you Do recognize: Then your research-skillz are also, sadly crippled. That does not bode well for your comprehending Why some of your missives strike chords in others, that are quite more dissonant than say, C-major triads (a simple, uncluttered feel-Good 'chord', that is). I couldn't begin to imagine How-That-Is for/in you - and I suspect, neither can any but a precious few homo-saps with certain instincts which most of us pedestrian-types lack / have been too mentally/emotionally self-crippled=lazy to resurrect-within. (It Is sooo much easier to dwell just in the simplistic-logic EZ-path in the jelloware than.. ever.. to refine a few of the countless hidden Possibilities we only glimpse in those folks who make it to that Genius list. Or have visions and also sometimes, Vision.) I've become convinced that homo-sap is ~ 99.9999% Horrendously Mentally-lazy. A truly Odious Thing, if true. (Our perpetually repeated assassinations of both other-homo-saps and Language itself.. certainly supports this thesis.) Practice with a thesaurus til it Hurts. (Then try it out on a nearby Huggy-bear - SHE won't laugh.) Therapy for a Doomed Species, LLC No deposit. No return.
Post #216,031 by Nightowl 7/21/05 11:23:18 PM Reply	Re: PS - that Word thing... again So if.. you have as much trouble as, it is apparent: You Do, with even so relatively-common a word as cloying; also haven't figure out that.. what you needed above was a thesaurus to rummage about in, for some likely phrase which you Do recognize: Well, no one I associate with would be likely to consider cloying to be a commonplace word. I betcha none of my relatives would know what it meant, and John said it had too many meanings, to look it up, which I did. Then your research-skillz are also, sadly crippled. Not crippled, I was just too busy lately to research it too intensely, and I really didn't care what people thought of my post, so it also wasn't a high priority. I researched it more tonight, but again, the problem is there are too many possible choices, so once you get the list of possibilities, then you are sitting there trying to figure out which of the fucking choices fits the situation.... talk about frustration! That does not bode well for your comprehending Why some of your missives strike chords in others, that are quite more dissonant than say, C-major triads (a simple, uncluttered feel-Good 'chord', that is). I understand some people hate my posts. Some people even CRINGE when they read my posts... but you know what? This is fucking cyberspace... and fucking cyberspace is a big place... big enough for those that hate my posts, those that like my posts, those that are mildly amused by my posts and those who don't fucking care. I've changed my posting level and style rather dramatically on here, and if people don't see that, well... they know the drill. Brenda "I see little yellow butterflies fluttering round my head and hear little happy bluebirds singing overhead....all will be just fine!... Hmmmm someone get me a net!"
Post #216,033 by Ashton 7/21/05 11:50:53 PM Reply	{chortle} Yes, noticed your sparser postings. Cloying ain't no biggie. You know how Most stupid f#$%& pastry chefs ALWAYS overdo the (cheap) Almond extract in various (BAD-for-one) pastries? A little almond can be Nice, if one likes almond. Too much: is cloying*; just as, the term 'saccharine-sweet' also implies. (saccharine is a now outdated, obsolete sugar-substitute; tastes as Awful as do most-all so-called 'Diet' fizz-water crap {uggh} but a tiny pill of it ""sweetened"" a whole cup of coffee.) Etc. I.
Post #216,028 by Nightowl 7/21/05 11:08:32 PM Reply	Re: Brenda, in this case: they're (mostly) Fucked, y'know? I believe you gave a perfectly comprehensible == a bloody-ACCEPTABLE English language explanation of what you MEANT by the phrase,'FEELING SAFE' ... {enough.. for Government Work}. Thank you Ashton, I thought so too. it is utterly fruitless for you to Bite on his logical, mechanical deconstructions of any of your utterances. Y'see? Yep, I know. I just have been so pissed lately that I saw an outlet for some of that, so hey, I cut loose... it happens. ;) As for 'feeling safe' -- some others assign that attribute to a larger-Sense 'state' most often called, peaceful. Some ffolks, especially those heavily immersed in multitasking thousands of daily trivial make-work activities: just.. never.. achieve Either of these 'states'! So, whatever Works for you, to snatch a few endorphins out of a silly schedule which You Have Created for Yourself.. 's OK by moi. Thanks, and it took me a long time to even create for myself an illusion of being safe... I used to be more afraid of the big mean nasty old fucked up world than I am even now! You have demonstrated that you are not a Stupid person, though your English language 'recognition vocabulary' is pretty fucking low, for an intelligent adult. I suspect that's because you all have PhDs and I do not? I also suspect it's because I used to be able to spend a lot more time reading more sophisticated books, (in other words, more intellectual than Star Wars), but that changed more and more as I got busier and busier. Add that to the fact that I for a very long time, hung out with a group of people who didn't have the brains of a fly crossed with a rat, and it's no wonder I didn't grasp more vocabulary. Combined with talking to my parents, which is sort of like... well fucking explaining over and over to a stubborn three-year old why they cannot do something, my vocabulary skills are not what they once were. However, I do run to the dictionary if in doubt, AND the Thesaurus. Currently I use the ones online, because John's giant dictionary that I like, well let's face it, it fucking hurts my RSI arm to lift that one. The problem is that the dammned Thesaurus isn't the end all-be all answer... and the reason for that is there are TOO MANY DAMNED CHOICES FOR THE MEANING OF THE WORD IN QUESTION! Ah well.... I continue to struggle to grasp whatever it is that whomever is posting in IWT is trying to get me to grasp, at least I don't give up, or decide it's not worth trying... I am fucking persistent in that respect. And you, Ashton, my wonderfully well-versed Wizard of words, well you have been my example, my mentor, my "teacher" as it were, of the mystery of language. For it is a mysterious entity, is it not? Brenda "I see little yellow butterflies fluttering round my head and hear little happy bluebirds singing overhead....all will be just fine!.... hmmm someone get me a net!"
Post #216,035 by Ashton 7/22/05 12:08:32 AM Reply	Oblig {blush} We do best that which we love to do. (This was also the one-sentence summary message of a dozen or so hours of Joseph Campbell's Power of Myth - run repeatedly on PBS) - usually these days, during pledge weeks. Everything we learn or are capable of learning from others (other than via direct experience / touching the Hot-stove and replying, OWW!!!) is via Language. Also every small- medium- large- progress we make in the Necessary daily Art of Lying, to get through some asshole bizness 'project', say - - and still retain both some sanity AND some integrity: Demands! the artful use of language / in- via eyes, ears / out- via mouth, Steno or other. Those who Love language will be as unable to answer a Stoopid question like Why? - as to explain why it just might Be - - That the "solid-things", those with mass and made up of so-called atoms and stuff are 'Illusionary' ... while any access to what-might-maybe-be ~Real: is entirely within, inexpressible and indescribable in ordinary language, with those ordinary [referents] for each word. Nobody can put anything Useful together for another - so, grab what you Can, wherever it turns up, I say. (Tyranny of Words is always a decent re-read, when one forgets how fragile are 'definitions' of anything actually Important, y'know?) Luck, I Who Be
Post #216,039 by boxley 7/22/05 12:20:40 AM Reply	FOR "INSERT DIETY HRE!!!!!! we are not smart, we are not anything but humans sniffing around the cold campfires of the normals to see if its safe to hestitently see if it is safe to expose our true feelings. If it is safe we beat our chests and dain agreement with the trend of the day. If we see anyting else we escape and pretend it is a subissue of what is real thanx, bill Just call me Mr. Lynch \\ Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #216,063 by broomberg 7/22/05 6:35:39 AM Reply	As the dentist said... Is it safe?
Post #216,088 by drewk 7/22/05 12:06:36 PM Reply	Your denial confirms it Thanks, and it took me a long time to even create for myself an illusion of being safe. I feel safe. And I don't think it's an illusion I have to work to convince myself of. I am not about to drown. I am not about to get hit by a truck. A plane is not about to crash into this building. The computer I am typing on is not about to burst into flames, nor elecrocute me. Masked gunmen are not about to run in the door and shoot me. Sure, any of these things could theoretically happen. But I would have to work really hard to make myself actually worry about them. It sounds like you have to work really hard to convince yourself that you don't have to worry about them. That's not reasonable. If you're in a plane that hits turbulence, is it reasonable to worry? Sure. Is it reasonable for people in London to be skittish about getting on a train today? Absolutely. But you've described unreasonable fears about things that are very unlikely to happen. You've convinced yourself that any of them really could happen at any time. It sounds like you're so afraid of what might happen that you actually miss out on much of what makes life worth living. There could be a razor blade in that chocolate ice cream. Better not eat it. There could be subliminal messages in that music. Better turn the radio off. A meteroite could strike at any minute. Better stay inside, behind locked doors, with sandbags on the roof, wearing a helmet, forever. === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]
Post #216,091 by Nightowl 7/22/05 12:29:50 PM 7/22/05 12:39:14 PM Reply	Re: Your denial confirms it Sure, any of these things could theoretically happen. But I would have to work really hard to make myself actually worry about them. It sounds like you have to work really hard to convince yourself that you don't have to worry about them. That's not reasonable. I know it isn't reasonable. That's why it's called Panic-Anxiety. There are different kinds, and mine is unreasonable fear and not dealing with no-win situations. But you would probably understand more if you knew my background, and how my father came from a small Kentucky town to the "big" city of St. Louis. Due to that, and the radical differences of how you live in both places, he more or less "taught" me to be afraid of everything, something I've been undoing for years.... with much success in many areas, I might add. But you've described unreasonable fears about things that are very unlikely to happen. You've convinced yourself that any of them really could happen at any time. It sounds like you're so afraid of what might happen that you actually miss out on much of what makes life worth living. I don't think I miss out on much. There are things I won't do myself, such as drive to Granite City alone anymore, because I tend to screw up and end up in a bad neighborhood.. (this has happened before), and there are things I prefer to avoid, like flying. But I do live life to the fullest in my opinion, that is, a life I'm happy and satisfied with. The fear is kind of like something deep down inside, that I wrestle with whenever it tries to appear.. it doesn't prevent me from doing something I truly want to do. Does that help? There could be a razor blade in that chocolate ice cream. Better not eat it. There could be subliminal messages in that music. Better turn the radio off. A meteroite could strike at any minute. Better stay inside, behind locked doors, with sandbags on the roof, wearing a helmet, forever. Hehehe, nah... nothing to that extreme. In fact, during the 9/11 hype, I didn't even go buy duct-tape and cardboard or whatever all that nonsense was. Most of my fears have a basis, despite how unreasonable they are, so I work on that basis. My dad told me over and over for years, don't go downstairs after 10, you'll get hurt, or something will happen to you. So for years, if I tried to go downstairs after 10:00 p.m. my heart would pound and I would be afraid. I searched out the basis for this, and learned he was just not wanting his "young child" at the time to be downstairs unsupervised that late at night. It wasn't really that something "down there" would burst out and grab me. Knowing that made me able to conquer my fear, and I "CAN" go downstairs after 10:00 p.m. now. My heart still races sometimes, if I truly think about what I'm doing, but I still manage to go down and do whatever it is needs to be done. Most of my fears have that basis, either Dad drove them into my brain, or someone else did, or I developed a misunderstanding about something and considered it a threat. But when I conquer one, I'm proud... Hehehe, I remember dad saying when I was about 19 or so, "Don't go down to downtown St. Louis, you'll get raped and mugged." Well, my boyfriend at the time took me to the city to the Soldier's Memorial and Union Station, and I remember when I got home, I said to my dad, "Daddy, I went downtown and saw Union Station and I didn't get raped and mugged!" My fears are really my problem, and I've been treating them for years, and many have been conquered to whatever degree they can be. It's my mind that's the hardest to conquer. :) Edit: I thought of something to add. You say you are safe, and you know you are. I say I'm safe to the best I can be, barring something unexpected or surreal. Brenda P.S. Insert obligatory flame words here. "I see little yellow butterflies fluttering round my head and hear little happy bluebirds singing overhead....all will be just fine!... Hmmmm someone get me a net!" Edited by Nightowl July 22, 2005, 12:39:14 PM EDT Expand All History
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Post #216,117 by jb4 7/22/05 3:37:28 PM Reply	could be?!? There could be subliminal messages in that music. Better turn the radio off. I thought that was already a known fact that all rock-n-roll (and some country) music have satanic messages encoded within them! (ref: Tipper Gore, Phyllis Schlafly, Pat Robertson, etc.) jb4 shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub* + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf.* BULLSHIT
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