Howabout we get someone new?

The essence must be..

"Someone who doesn't Want the Job"

And Oh Yes - merely Determining That <state of mind> would be as hard as eliciting the secrut sex fantasies of (the once-younger???) Foulwell or Ashcroft.

We have long passed the point where any public utterance may be remotely-trusted or by which we might interpret how (much of past 'performance') connects to, say, a long-term-strategy, simply To Get Power By Any Means as presents itself. (Or Make-up one)

Be a War-time Presyudent. Get reelected.
(Never mind that you Contrived it - few others mind.)
That's what we've sunk to.

G. Washington ~ set the Iridium standard in this regard; refusing Kingship was a bloody good start and while, Yes.. he sorta wanted to accept the Presidency (and dressed-well for the kick-off of that campaign) -- never was he (apparently...) obsessed with that aim; simply he was just so clearly possessed of the Integrity for the job - how could he not get it?

Integrity. Ay, there's the Rub.

I have no solution.

But cannot doubt that it's got to diverge from the $Power $Greed and other $____ shit we have all but accepted as 'normal' in this clinically insane consumer ghetto.

Neva hoppen - we're Fucked because we do not (generally) Want to be un-Fucked enough to seriously Fight for actual change in motivations, vision and (even) towards simple Survival. Beyond the next-quarter. As set by the 1% with most of the marbles and determined to add more, incessantly. Clinically insane are we; even long-term survival is not on our radar!

Sorry...

Post #215,662 by tuberculosis 7/19/05 5:59:02 PM Reply	Howabout we get someone new? Someone who hasn't already visited immediate family in the Whitehouse? Cheese as Herbert Chrysler could we throw all the bums out and start over? What we need is fresh blood there in the capital. Perhaps we could simply appoint the last place finisher of the Boston Marathon next time. This approach has several merits. 1) He'll have perseverance and follow through. 2) He'll have first hand understanding of suffering. 3) He'll be too slow to think he can get away from anyone. 4) The appointment will come as a complete surprise and thus will likely produce 4 years of solid service with the best intentions. We could hardly do worse. "Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein "This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
Post #215,668 by ChrisR 7/19/05 6:17:51 PM Reply	That's how we get idiots in the White House Being a Senator or Congressman appears to be the kiss of death with respect to presidential ambitions. These national positions of power require the encumbant to be, well, political. And we can't have our politicians be political now, can we? Personally, I grow more tired of the outsiders, than I do the insiders. They just come in and fuck up all new things.
Post #215,672 by tuberculosis 7/19/05 7:39:19 PM Reply	As opposed to the solid performance of the former governors? Nixon (CA) Carter (GA) Reagan (CA) Clinton (AL) Shrub (TX) The congress is all in the pockets of industry chasing the almighty sheckel for their next big war chest. They're no help either. I'm not sure the president needs to be 'political' (and exactly WTF does that mean today - AFAICS it means "on the take"). Just visionary, compassionate, and pragmatic. "Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein "This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
Post #215,686 by boxley 7/19/05 9:16:52 PM Reply	Jesse Ventura, Bob Hickel Just call me Mr. Lynch \\ Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #215,690 by rcareaga 7/19/05 10:14:05 PM Reply	former governors Nixon was a California Senator. His 1962 lunge at the governorship failed of its purpose, and led to the infamous "You won't have Dick Nixon to kick around anymore" press conference. Of course, he came back to be kicked again and again, but never as a governor. cordially, Die Welt ist alles, was der Fall ist.
Post #215,708 by tuberculosis 7/20/05 12:48:44 AM Reply	I stand corrected "Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein "This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
Post #215,725 by CRConrad 7/20/05 3:23:41 AM Reply	Clinton, governor of Alabama? I thought it was Arkansas... "AL" means Alabama, doesn't it? I think Arkansas -- which I'm fairly sure is where Slick Willie hails from -- is "AK". (If there's ever anything more you Yanks want to know about America, feel free to ask! :-) [link\|mailto:MyUserId@MyISP.CountryCode\|Christian R. Conrad] (I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.) Your lies are of Microsoftian Scale and boring to boot. Your 'depression' may be the closest you ever come to recognizing truth: you have no 'inferiority complex', you are inferior - and something inside you recognizes this. - [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=71575\|Ashton Brown]
Post #215,728 by boxley 7/20/05 3:43:15 AM Reply	Ahem, AK is alaska AR Arkansas AZ arizona Just call me Mr. Lynch \\ Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 49 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #215,730 by CRConrad 7/20/05 9:55:21 AM Reply	Ah, I see. Well, if there's ever anything else...
Post #215,748 by tuberculosis 7/20/05 11:40:53 AM Reply	One of those southern A-a states "Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein "This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
Post #215,727 by Ashton 7/20/05 3:40:39 AM Reply	I think you aren't far off The essence must be.. "Someone who doesn't Want the Job" And Oh Yes - merely Determining That <state of mind> would be as hard as eliciting the secrut sex fantasies of (the once-younger???) Foulwell or Ashcroft. We have long passed the point where any public utterance may be remotely-trusted or by which we might interpret how (much of past 'performance') connects to, say, a long-term-strategy, simply To Get Power By Any Means as presents itself. (Or Make-up one) Be a War-time Presyudent. Get reelected. (Never mind that you Contrived it - few others mind.) That's what we've sunk to. G. Washington ~ set the Iridium standard in this regard; refusing Kingship was a bloody good start and while, Yes.. he sorta wanted to accept the Presidency (and dressed-well for the kick-off of that campaign) -- never was he (apparently...) obsessed with that aim; simply he was just so clearly possessed of the Integrity for the job - how could he not get it? Integrity. Ay, there's the Rub. I have no solution. But cannot doubt that it's got to diverge from the $Power $Greed and other $____ shit we have all but accepted as 'normal' in this clinically insane consumer ghetto. Neva hoppen - we're Fucked because we do not (generally) Want to be un-Fucked enough to seriously Fight for actual change in motivations, vision and (even) towards simple Survival. Beyond the next-quarter. As set by the 1% with most of the marbles and determined to add more, incessantly. Clinically insane are we; even long-term survival is not on our radar! Sorry...
Post #215,764 by imqwerky 7/20/05 1:12:48 PM 7/20/05 2:47:30 PM Reply	Depressingly True, But there is hope. we're Fucked because we do not (generally) Want to be un-Fucked enough to seriously Fight for actual change in motivations, vision and (even) towards simple Survival. I've never seen a truer thing written, but I must say that my son's generation (at least judging by his and his friends beliefs/actions) is well poised to be the best thing to happen to this big blue marble. They have all the alruism of the 60's, yet are not so drug-dependent (down boys...it really is a good thing) and they are smart enough to get off their butts to actually do something about problems rather than just pay lip service to them. Peace, Amy "Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved body, but, rather to skid in sideways totally worn out shouting 'Merde Sante, what a ride!'" . Edited by imqwerky July 20, 2005, 02:47:30 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #215,765 by drewk 7/20/05 1:17:37 PM Reply	Don't kids usually try to be the opposite of their parents? === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]
Post #215,779 by imqwerky 7/20/05 3:13:29 PM 7/20/05 3:21:47 PM Reply	Point Taken So, since this generation is a bunch of beer belchin', belly-achin', do-nuthin's, my son's bunch is going to be responsible and pro-active. (Sniff) Does anybody have a tissue? (Beaming with pride!) Peace, Amy (My son doesn't feel the need to rebel because Critter and I instilled values in him that he respects. We also show respect for his values as a person. We show him that he is valuable for who he is, not for who we want him to be. That is probably the biggest mistake that many parents make...forcing kids to be who the parents want them to be rather than encouraging self-determination. But that's a whole nother ball o' wax. Peace again, Amy "Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved body, but, rather to skid in sideways totally worn out shouting 'Merde Sante, what a ride!'" . Edited by imqwerky July 20, 2005, 03:21:47 PM EDT Expand All History
Post #215,788 by inthane-chan 7/20/05 4:30:41 PM Reply	/me sniggers You buy THAT? You've just surpressed his desire to rebel - sometime in his mid-twenties, he's going to go off on you like a ton of TNT. In the meantime, you've delayed his developmental cycle, tied him to his mother's apron strings, ad infinitum, ad nausem. I speak from personal experience. apt-get install godlike-powers
Post #215,791 by imqwerky 7/20/05 4:47:18 PM Reply	He's already rebelled. Just because we don't fight like others do doesn't mean he hasn't rebelled. It is a natural part of the separation from the family unit. Must happen for one to grow up and fly from the nest. I'm just saying that he is concerned about how crappy things are politically and can hardly wait to cast his first vote. He just turned 18 in April. His friends are of a like mind, are committed to be drug-free, are a little on the goth-side, but other than that, are very knowledgeable about current events and political satire. It is a breath of fresh air, politically speaking. Peace, Amy "Life's journey is not to arrive at the grave safely in a well-preserved body, but, rather to skid in sideways totally worn out shouting 'Merde Sante, what a ride!'" .
Post #215,793 by ben_tilly 7/20/05 4:50:27 PM Reply	He's in the minority then Despite much hullaballo, in the last election the percentage of youth who voted went down over the previous one. I give better than even odds of that happening next time as well. Cheers, Ben I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Post #215,783 by tuberculosis 7/20/05 3:28:34 PM Reply	Usually failing in the end "Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein "This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush
Post #215,789 by ben_tilly 7/20/05 4:35:30 PM Reply	Same or opposite, little in between Usually most of us are the opposite on some things, then the same on the rest. Cheers, Ben I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)

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