...and why it does, properly configured

Post #20,804 by kmself 12/8/01 8:50:32 PM Reply	...and why it does, properly configured For running Windows sessions under Linux, VNC does wonders. You're already running individual sessions as seperate Linux processes. Ironically, Linux can serve Windows better than Windows can, in this sense. See also: [link\|http://www.wired.com/news/print/0,1294,45862,00.html\|Wired: Penguin enrolls in US schools]. `-- Karsten M. Self [link\|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com\|kmself@ix.netcom.com] What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?`
Post #20,821 by pwhysall 12/9/01 8:28:18 AM Reply	Maybe I'm missing something here But you can't use VNC to turn a Windows server into a multi-user (interactive) box. That's what Terminal Services does. Peter Shill For Hire [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal]
Post #20,825 by ben_tilly 12/9/01 11:58:01 AM Reply	Yes, you are missing something There are programs (eg win4lin, vmware) which allow you to run Windows under Linux. Given the design of Linux, what you can do once you can do many times at once. So you run VNC in each of those instances of Windows, and access these VNCs from other machines. Voila! You now have a home-grown but substantially cheaper Terminal Services for Windows, implemented on top of Linux. Cheers, Ben
Post #20,840 by Ashton 12/9/01 6:14:35 PM Reply	Er.. Do Billy n'Bally 'spect you to run a new copy of Winders on each open window ?? [umm Hah!] I mean - it IS Ugly out there, no? :-\ufffd
Post #20,843 by pwhysall 12/9/01 6:57:50 PM Reply	Questions 1. You'd still have to buy separate Windows licences for each instance. At \ufffd200 per licence, that stacks up fairly fast. TS client licences are less than that. VMWare licences are also pricey. I've never investigated Win4Lin. 2. How would you manage such things as user profiles and printing? Administratively, this could be more frustrating than you think. 3. How would you manage the network access to these VNC instances via something like the VMWare Host networking? I know that you can have multiple VNC instances running, each one listening on a separate network port - how would you bridge this to each VMWare instance running VNC? Peter Shill For Hire [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal]
Post #20,861 by kmself 12/9/01 10:15:43 PM Reply	Licensing Aye, there's the bugger. I'm not sure how that works out. Last I heard from my source, he'd had a chat with some folks from Redmond, in part discussing the licensing question. Not sure what the final resolution was. Still, even with the licensing costs, administration of the systems is greatly simplified. You're running an image on top of Linux, with all the tools Linux provides to allow replication and restoration of that image. Incidentally, a recent presentation I saw (autonomous computing) by IBM, there was mention of running various OS images on zSeries hardware, MS Windows included. Which makes me wonder if IBM's got that particular virtualization issue resolved. Being able to seamlessly transmit and substitute images of proprietary and free OSs is going to do a fair bit to break up lock-in. `-- Karsten M. Self [link\|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com\|kmself@ix.netcom.com] What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?`

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