Side note on Unit Testing

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Post #204,475 by JimWeirich 4/22/05 1:05:21 PM Reply	Side note on Unit Testing - unit tests are needed too much. I love unit testing, but in Smalltalk unit tests are needed for things that a strong-typed language would verify compilation-time. Really? I do a fair amount of TDD programming in both Java and Ruby, and I write about the same number of unit tests in either language. -- -- Jim Weirich jim@weirichhouse.org [link\|http://onestepback.org\|http://onestepback.org] --------------------------------------------------------------------- "Beware of bugs in the above code; I have only proved it correct, not tried it." -- Donald Knuth (in a memo to Peter van Emde Boas)
Post #204,476 by admin 4/22/05 1:14:44 PM Reply	Ditto, but s/Ruby/Python Unit testing may point out a few typing failures, but there aren't any more tests required because of it. Regards, -scott anderson "Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
Post #204,485 by tuberculosis 4/22/05 2:06:18 PM Reply	I write more in Smalltalk And the method unit tests are frequently found as a one line comment of the method that you just select and "inspect it" or "debug it". OTOH, I don't do a lot of SUnit testing (should probably do more) because its a drag to go make the subclass and build the methods and write the asserts, etc. One day, there will be some nifty tool that will take these comments and make them into proper SUnit classes. But not today. OTOH, I really like coding in the debugger. "Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect" --Mark Twain "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein "This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush

So what is wrong with your favorite language? - (JayMehaffey) - (22) - April 22, 2005, 09:54:38 AM EDT

The ones I get to code in? Or the ones I'd actully want to? -NT - (Arkadiy) - (5) - April 22, 2005, 11:02:37 AM EDT

You pick -NT - (tuberculosis) - (4) - April 22, 2005, 11:17:14 AM EDT

Well then, I'd nominate Smalltalk - (Arkadiy) - (3) - April 22, 2005, 11:38:46 AM EDT

Side note on Unit Testing - (JimWeirich) - (2) - April 22, 2005, 01:05:21 PM EDT

Ditto, but s/Ruby/Python - (admin) - April 22, 2005, 01:14:44 PM EDT

I write more in Smalltalk - (tuberculosis) - April 22, 2005, 02:06:18 PM EDT

I think that context is a horrible idea in Perl - (ben_tilly) - April 22, 2005, 11:18:48 AM EDT

I suspect many of my opinions are well known - (tuberculosis) - April 22, 2005, 11:32:23 AM EDT

Way too early for my candidate - (ChrisR) - April 22, 2005, 11:56:11 AM EDT

Positional, limited variable names and booleans - (imric) - (2) - April 22, 2005, 12:02:59 PM EDT

Agreed - (SpiceWare) - April 22, 2005, 01:50:42 PM EDT

OK, explain the cycle to the ignorant masses here (new thread) - (tuberculosis) - April 22, 2005, 02:00:32 PM EDT

Python... - (admin) - (3) - April 22, 2005, 01:39:05 PM EDT

Closures are being removed? -NT - (FuManChu) - (2) - April 22, 2005, 04:26:49 PM EDT

Lambdas, actually. - (admin) - (1) - April 22, 2005, 04:30:55 PM EDT

Yes; that bites. - (FuManChu) - April 22, 2005, 04:30:20 PM EDT

I can empathise about PHP. - (static) - May 5, 2005, 03:20:23 AM EDT

Nested hash notation in Perl. - (pwhysall) - (4) - May 5, 2005, 06:58:01 AM EDT

Naw. - (broomberg) - (3) - May 5, 2005, 07:50:50 AM EDT

Ick. -NT - (pwhysall) - May 5, 2005, 08:02:53 AM EDT

Compare to Ruby - (ben_tilly) - (1) - May 5, 2005, 04:31:40 PM EDT

Which is pretty much the same as Python - (admin) - May 5, 2005, 05:48:27 PM EDT

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