Ian (of Debian) on Ubuntu popularity issues.

Post #203,005 by Another Scott 4/12/05 10:32:49 AM Reply	Ian (of Debian) on Ubuntu popularity issues. [link\|http://ianmurdock.com/archives/000244.html\|Can't we all just get along?]: 'If anything, Ubuntu's popularity is a net negative for Debian,' Murdoch told [link\|http://internetnews.com/dev-news/article.php/3496541\|internetnews.com]. 'It's diverged so far from Sarge that packages built for Ubuntu often don't work on Sarge. And given the momentum behind Ubuntu, more and more packages are being built like this. The result is a potential compatibility nightmare.' [Linkified the internetnews.com story] Cheers, Scott.
Post #203,009 by pwhysall 4/12/05 10:58:51 AM Reply	Tough noogies, basically, IMHO This is the "downside" of Free Software - people can take what you do and do it better and in a way that might not suit you down to the ground. Debian's major problem at the moment is not technical; all the cool kids don't care about Sarge's release because they're tracking unstable anyway. It's political and a PR disaster. Sarge couldashouldawoulda been released nine months ago and been vaguely on time. Now it's just embarrassing. In these circumstances, Ubuntu was an inevitability. My first reaction to the Vancouver proposals was "NO! HERESY! ALL PLATFORMS OR NO PLATFORMS!" and then I had a sit down and a cup of tea and thought it over some more. In reality, having Sarge stalled because (for example) the ARM port has insufficient autobuilders is, frankly, ludicrous. Peter [link\|http://www.ubuntulinux.org\|Ubuntu Linux] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #203,044 by folkert 4/12/05 2:55:37 PM Reply	I don't believe Debian really HAS to release. I am of the opinion, snapshots need to be taken and those fixed. within 1 months time it should be able to be released. And fer chrisakes, get rid of the 20% of packages that are only installed by three people in the world. Or at least take the out of the releases and make something like Multiverse/Universe for those packages. I still don't believe Debian maintainers should be pushed to release. The whole concept of incremental updates is perfect. Just follow up and remove woody and support a "pretty much" releaseable snapshot periodically. Sarge is pretty much releaseable now, has been for months. I believe, Ubuntu has the best attitude if Debian were to change. Make it that way. -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* [link\|http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=134485&cid=11233230\|"Microsoft Security" is an even better oxymoron than "Military Intelligence"] No matter how much Microsoft supporters whine about how Linux and other operating systems have just as many bugs as their operating systems do, the bottom line is that the serious, gut-wrenching problems happen on Windows, not on Linux, not on Mac OS. -- [link\|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1622086,00.asp\|source]
Post #203,045 by pwhysall 4/12/05 2:59:07 PM Reply	And you know what's silly? They know which packages are in that 20%, because of popularity-contest. IMHO Debian should abandon releases altogether and just run a rolling system. Peter [link\|http://www.ubuntulinux.org\|Ubuntu Linux] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #203,046 by folkert 4/12/05 2:59:53 PM Reply	Zactly. Nuff said on that. -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* [link\|http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=134485&cid=11233230\|"Microsoft Security" is an even better oxymoron than "Military Intelligence"] No matter how much Microsoft supporters whine about how Linux and other operating systems have just as many bugs as their operating systems do, the bottom line is that the serious, gut-wrenching problems happen on Windows, not on Linux, not on Mac OS. -- [link\|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1622086,00.asp\|source]

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