Thanks, but no.

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About 9 years ago I was at a trade show, and I stumbled across a booth of a tech company that had been causing me about 2 weeks of misery. Of course, it was manned by a lying scumbag saleslime.

My brother (who was my boss at the time) and my sister (an NYC librarian) were with me.

I proceeded to tear into the salesguy until he ran in panic, handed me to their Chief Scientist, who I then reamed for a few minutes.

Upon witnessing this, my sister demanded to my brother that he fix me. He, in turn, sent me to people school. Landmark training. EST for the 90s.

My behaviour was markedly different for about 3 months. Which in turn annoyed everyone who I previously knew. They didn't like the new "nice" version of me.

And ya know something?

Neither did I!

It was an act. I don't like keeping up a facade, it is too difficult to keep track of the lies. And while they may not have all been lies, things I said and did were not natural for me.

But the training was very useful in allowing me to control my behaviour, my reactions, my interaction. That training was the best thing that ever happened to me, from a personal / financial perspective.

I could step back and observe without needing to react. I could observe with a detached viewpoint. I could pick my battles, and accept losses that weren't core the the effort of the moment.

On the other hand, when I decided the moment was not right for me to "perform" according to the script, when it was time to unleash the evil in me, well then, I could focus like I never could before in that way.

When my brother witnessed moments such of those, he said I rebounded from people training far worse then when I started.

He has a Master's in Counseling. That was his professional opinion.

Post #202,096 by bionerd 4/5/05 7:59:48 PM Reply	Thanks, but no. Bestow the title on someone more deserving. Perhaps a pinup boy? Mind games? I'm not following.
Post #202,103 by warmachine 4/5/05 8:23:05 PM Reply	Mind games Nobody here used to care about gender or appearance. Then one person demanded to see your real image and another is offering to make one your avatar, even though you already have an avatar you like. How did this happen? Umm... let the stalking commence? Matthew Greet But we must kill them. We must incinerate them. Pig after pig, cow after cow, village after village, army after army. And they call me an assassin. What do you call it when the assassins accuse the assassin? They lie. They lie and we must be merciful to those who lie. - Colonol Kurtz, Apocalypse Now.
Post #202,107 by broomberg 4/5/05 8:34:18 PM Reply	Actually, imagine a psycho Creates a web site, and constantly posts from many different personalities. Occasionally a "real" person is sucked into the conversations, and thinks she is talking to many people, but in reality, she is talking to many sides of the same person. Over the months, this person becomes more and more trusting, opening up all kind of aspects of her life that she thought she never would. Even to the point of agreeing to a face to face meeting, thinking that there would be a group of people, of which she feels she has gotten to know several of them. In order to go to the meeting, she arranges for a ride, since "one" of the people will be conveniently driving by her area. Hmmmmmmm.
Post #202,111 by boxley 4/5/05 8:50:39 PM Reply	bangbus?... All tribal myths are true, for a given value of "true" Terry Pratchett [link\|http://boxleys.blogspot.com/\|http://boxleys.blogspot.com/] Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 48 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #202,115 by jake123 4/5/05 9:07:01 PM Reply	You're a bad man, box. Of course, I've just revealed that I get the reference, so I guess I am too. --\n-------------------------------------------------------------------\n* Jack Troughton jake at consultron.ca \n [link\|http://consultron.ca\|http://consultron.ca] [link\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca\|irc://irc.ecomstation.ca] \n Kingston Ontario Canada [link\|news://news.consultron.ca\|news://news.consultron.ca] *\n-------------------------------------------------------------------
Post #202,118 by ben_tilly 4/5/05 9:16:34 PM Reply	Luckily neither of you will be ON the bus... I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Post #202,120 by broomberg 4/5/05 9:20:36 PM Reply	Based on the above story We'll ALL be on the bus.
Post #202,122 by ben_tilly 4/5/05 9:31:28 PM Reply	Um.... The bus that I was talking about was the one to beeps party. And I was talking reality(), not your story. Cheers, Ben At least as it has been presented to bionerd. I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
Post #202,119 by boxley 4/5/05 9:20:08 PM Reply	If I remember you introduced ME to that :-) All tribal myths are true, for a given value of "true" Terry Pratchett [link\|http://boxleys.blogspot.com/\|http://boxleys.blogspot.com/] Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 48 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #202,159 by bionerd 4/6/05 9:22:24 AM Reply	You just crossed the line.... and would be wise to take a few steps back.
Post #202,189 by Andrew Grygus 4/6/05 11:36:38 AM Reply	She says, scalpel in hand . . . [link\|http://www.aaxnet.com\|AAx]
Post #202,224 by Silverlock 4/6/05 1:41:08 PM Reply	Bill has a fault in his social governor Where the governor would have most people thinking second thoughts, Bill's says "Quick! Say it before somebody beats me to the punch... line. ----------------------------------------- "In this world of sin and sorrow there is always something to be thankful for. As for me, I rejoice that I am not a Republican." -- H. L. Mencken Support our troops, Impeach Bush. D. D. Richards
Post #202,257 by broomberg 4/6/05 8:01:54 PM Reply	A Box story you might appreciate [link\|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=141745\|http://z.iwethey.org...?contentid=141745]
Post #202,316 by boxley 4/7/05 10:41:17 AM Reply	you crossed your own imaginary line I was responding to Barry's post by asking if his description was related to another internet site that does what he described. Now it would have been rude and offensive if I in any way implied that you would get on that bus or what acts you would partake in after climbing aboard. Now you read my response to Barry, imagined what you would or would not do after boarding THAT bus and offended yourself. You cannot blame me for your imginary offenses. thanx, bill All tribal myths are true, for a given value of "true" Terry Pratchett [link\|http://boxleys.blogspot.com/\|http://boxleys.blogspot.com/] Any opinions expressed by me are mine alone, posted from my home computer, on my own time as a free american and do not reflect the opinions of any person or company that I have had professional relations with in the past 48 years. meep questions, help? [link\|mailto:pappas@catholic.org\|email pappas at catholic.org]
Post #202,416 by Ashton 4/8/05 4:33:28 AM Reply	B.____S. (new thread) Created as new thread #202415 titled [link\|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=202415\|B.____S.]
Post #202,160 by bionerd 4/6/05 9:25:21 AM Reply	And you- I'm worried about you You have a pathology that rivals mine. I've cleared my afternoon and have penciled you in. Pro bono. We have a lot of work to do here.
Post #202,194 by drewk 4/6/05 11:54:50 AM Reply	He's not the one you want on the couch About the first 90% of that was non-fiction. === Purveyor of Doc Hope's [link\|http://DocHope.com\|fresh-baked dog biscuits and pet treats]. [link\|http://DocHope.com\|http://DocHope.com]
Post #202,253 by broomberg 4/6/05 7:21:04 PM Reply	What, you think I'm (we are) curable? About 9 years ago I was at a trade show, and I stumbled across a booth of a tech company that had been causing me about 2 weeks of misery. Of course, it was manned by a lying scumbag saleslime. My brother (who was my boss at the time) and my sister (an NYC librarian) were with me. I proceeded to tear into the salesguy until he ran in panic, handed me to their Chief Scientist, who I then reamed for a few minutes. Upon witnessing this, my sister demanded to my brother that he fix me. He, in turn, sent me to people school. Landmark training. EST for the 90s. My behaviour was markedly different for about 3 months. Which in turn annoyed everyone who I previously knew. They didn't like the new "nice" version of me. And ya know something? Neither did I! It was an act. I don't like keeping up a facade, it is too difficult to keep track of the lies. And while they may not have all been lies, things I said and did were not natural for me. But the training was very useful in allowing me to control my behaviour, my reactions, my interaction. That training was the best thing that ever happened to me, from a personal / financial perspective. I could step back and observe without needing to react. I could observe with a detached viewpoint. I could pick my battles, and accept losses that weren't core the the effort of the moment. On the other hand, when I decided the moment was not right for me to "perform" according to the script, when it was time to unleash the evil in me, well then, I could focus like I never could before in that way. When my brother witnessed moments such of those, he said I rebounded from people training far worse then when I started. He has a Master's in Counseling. That was his professional opinion.
Post #202,256 by inthane-chan 4/6/05 7:56:47 PM Reply	Sounds like me when I play Diplomacy.
Post #202,287 by Nightowl 4/7/05 1:41:32 AM Reply	Allright... Creates a web site, and constantly posts from many different personalities. Occasionally a "real" person is sucked into the conversations, and thinks she is talking to many people, but in reality, she is talking to many sides of the same person. that one is tooooo close to home, if you get my drift. Brenda "The people of the world having once been deceived, suspect deceit in truth itself." -- Hitopadesa 600?-1100? AD, Sanskrit Fable From Panchatantr
Post #202,162 by bionerd 4/6/05 9:26:34 AM Reply	"How did this happen?" You tell me.

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