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Post #198,621
by jake123
3/14/05 6:09:09 PM
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New Look, the point about the two digits for a year is well
taken, but the point about ascii is not. It was supposed to be a standard that could be used by anybody, but ended up only being really usable by people who speak and use only English. The idea that they only expected americans to use it is easily debunked by reading any of the literature extant at the time... what they did expect is that only americans would program it.
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Post #200,492
by jb4
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3/25/05 2:15:41 PM
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ASCII was supposed to be a standard for American Information Interchange (as pointed out above), hence the name. And being first it followed the now-increasingly-popular YAGNI rule.

Hey, I didn't notice that IBM (International Business Machines) fixed the problem with its highly vaunted and hopelessly idiotic EBCDIC, either.

When ASCII became problematic due to its limitations, it was extended (in the best style of Micros~1); now we have UNICODE, and a whole raft of ISO 8859's. And then there are the Asians: JIS, Shift-JIS, GB2232, GB18030, Big 5 et al. So now you can have your \ufffd in any one of several dozen encoding schemes. Ain't choice grand?
jb4
shrub\ufffdbish (Am., from shrub + rubbish, after the derisive name for America's 43 president; 2003) n. 1. a form of nonsensical political doubletalk wherein the speaker attempts to defend the indefensible by lying, obfuscation, or otherwise misstating the facts; GIBBERISH. 2. any of a collection of utterances from America's putative 43rd president. cf. BULLSHIT
     What the heck is text? - (systems) - (56) - March 12, 2005, 11:48:38 AM EST
         It depends on the context. - (Another Scott) - (2) - March 12, 2005, 12:23:39 PM EST
             Unicode and ASCII - (StevenYap) - (1) - March 12, 2005, 06:54:00 PM EST
                 Re: Unicode and ASCII - Nitpick II - (jb4) - March 25, 2005, 01:40:46 PM EST
         you are confusing text with display - (boxley) - (12) - March 12, 2005, 06:53:13 PM EST
             Uhhh..Not quite, Bill - (jb4) - (11) - March 25, 2005, 01:50:46 PM EST
                 And that is one thing that sucks about Unicode - (ben_tilly) - (9) - March 25, 2005, 03:09:44 PM EST
                     At least they're consistent - (jb4) - (8) - March 25, 2005, 06:02:42 PM EST
                         But it is a problem - (ben_tilly) - March 25, 2005, 06:13:17 PM EST
                         Except for that full width/half width ascii thing - (tuberculosis) - (5) - March 27, 2005, 09:40:24 PM EST
                             I dunno... - (jb4) - March 28, 2005, 12:11:15 PM EST
                             My personal take on it - (jake123) - (3) - March 28, 2005, 12:15:20 PM EST
                                 Perhaps, but it makes searching tricky - (tuberculosis) - (2) - March 28, 2005, 02:49:36 PM EST
                                     Well, if it was an easy problem - (jake123) - March 28, 2005, 03:29:43 PM EST
                                     ICLRPD (new thread) - (jb4) - March 29, 2005, 07:57:14 PM EST
                         Have you all seen the HUGE unicode poster? - (FuManChu) - March 28, 2005, 04:33:12 PM EST
                 close enough to debug a table entry :-) - (boxley) - March 26, 2005, 09:26:51 AM EST
         Text is not as simple as it seems - (ben_tilly) - March 12, 2005, 11:00:34 PM EST
         This is one thing that Java handles pretty well - (bluke) - March 13, 2005, 11:35:09 AM EST
         Rule #1 - Everything you think you know is wrong - (tuberculosis) - (29) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:28:08 AM EDT
             Why xenophobic? - (drewk) - (28) - March 14, 2005, 10:44:16 AM EST
                 Because they didn't think... - (pwhysall) - March 14, 2005, 11:24:31 AM EST
                 Because if they had spent any time at all - (tuberculosis) - (25) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:30:01 AM EDT
                     Now how about addressing my example - (drewk) - (17) - March 14, 2005, 12:13:47 PM EST
                         The best explanation that I've seen of why 2 digits... - (ben_tilly) - March 14, 2005, 12:46:32 PM EST
                         No, but they were xenophobic etc - (jake123) - (15) - March 14, 2005, 02:50:01 PM EST
                             xenophobic's probably the wrong word - (SpiceWare) - (14) - March 14, 2005, 04:12:18 PM EST
                                 Yeah, you're right - (jake123) - (13) - March 14, 2005, 05:02:32 PM EST
                                     How about "escessively humble"? - (drewk) - (4) - March 14, 2005, 05:35:25 PM EST
                                         Look, the point about the two digits for a year is well - (jake123) - (1) - March 14, 2005, 06:09:09 PM EST
                                             Disagree - (jb4) - March 25, 2005, 02:15:41 PM EST
                                         Maybe... - (tuberculosis) - (1) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:31:43 AM EDT
                                             How about simply "provincial". - (a6l6e6x) - March 14, 2005, 08:02:42 PM EST
                                     The people who coded for teletypes and green terminals - (Arkadiy) - (7) - March 14, 2005, 05:37:55 PM EST
                                         Yes, a typographer - (jake123) - (3) - March 14, 2005, 06:10:49 PM EST
                                             Internationalization would not have been so easy - (ben_tilly) - March 14, 2005, 07:23:05 PM EST
                                             Text layout in 80 by 24 grid of monspaced font? - (Arkadiy) - (1) - March 14, 2005, 07:59:49 PM EST
                                                 Phone books back then - (jake123) - March 15, 2005, 11:18:10 AM EST
                                         Please don't use the letter "e" in your code. - (pwhysall) - (2) - March 14, 2005, 06:20:45 PM EST
                                             I certainly used to do without "e" - (Arkadiy) - March 14, 2005, 08:01:39 PM EST
                                             I couldn't use "e" either ... - (JimWeirich) - March 15, 2005, 05:52:09 PM EST
                     Oh, come ON already - (jb4) - (6) - March 25, 2005, 02:20:51 PM EST
                         The C++ standard i18n library is awful - (tuberculosis) - (5) - March 27, 2005, 09:56:44 PM EST
                             Dont know ICU - (jb4) - (4) - March 28, 2005, 12:13:20 PM EST
                                 ICLRPD (new thread) - (drewk) - March 28, 2005, 12:33:42 PM EST
                                 You can find it here - (tuberculosis) - (2) - March 28, 2005, 02:44:08 PM EST
                                     Time line? - (jb4) - (1) - March 29, 2005, 07:59:43 PM EST
                                         Released in 1988 - (tuberculosis) - March 29, 2005, 08:07:25 PM EST
                 Actually, Algol 68 was designed from the ground up - (Arkadiy) - March 14, 2005, 12:16:18 PM EST
         Re: What the heck is text? - (JayMehaffey) - (3) - March 14, 2005, 10:51:50 AM EST
             I must correct you - ASCII is a 7-bit encoding - (tuberculosis) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:30:04 AM EDT
             Whoa, there. - (ubernostrum) - (1) - March 14, 2005, 01:31:43 PM EST
                 Your right mostly - (JayMehaffey) - March 14, 2005, 02:36:05 PM EST
         Using a pencil, it's unambiguous. -NT - (mmoffitt) - (3) - March 28, 2005, 01:14:03 PM EST
             You haven't seen my handwriting.... -NT - (Another Scott) - (2) - March 28, 2005, 02:04:44 PM EST
                 Uh-oh. I wouldn't confess that ;0) - (mmoffitt) - (1) - March 28, 2005, 02:56:59 PM EST
                     My father's handwriting was so bad... - (broomberg) - March 28, 2005, 09:21:00 PM EST

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