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New Vindication?
[link|http://www.zdnet.com.au/news/0,39023165,39183867,00.htm|http://www.zdnet.com...5,39183867,00.htm]

For us Mac heads making a bunch of noise over the years? Thought you all might like to see this, 'cause I wouldn't have believed it otherwise.

:-)
Just a few thoughts,

Danno
New He's still running Linux on it...
Regards,

-scott anderson

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New So he SAYS.


Peter
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New Okay... MFAC
He still Runs Linux on the machine. And won;t run anything else.
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New Sorry... I did read the article
and did a poor job of explaining what vindication I am refering to. I am secure now that in four years from now my kick ass new G5 PowerMac will still be useful (and not a boat anchor). Linus will be making sure that the Linux kernel runs on G5's. To wit, as Peter says, it is a win in the regard that he has identified the Power Mac (G5) to be one of two "significant" architectures and not the typical marketshare bullshit.

Whatever happened to TransMeta?
Just a few thoughts,

Danno
New Serious about Transmeta questions?
Intel squashed them like a bug.

Basically, they had a nice concept, and a low-power CPU, but performance was lacking. Intel saw that the demand for a low power CPU was there, and ressurrected the P3 as the Centrino, along with the ARM(?) processor for very low power operation, and squished them before they could become another AMD.

If they'd had the time to make another iteration of the processor, they might have gotten somewhere. I'd like to be proven wrong, but methinks they're dead men walking.
The most exciting phrase to hear in science, the one that heralds the most discoveries, is not "Eureka!" but "That's funny..."
-Isaac Asimov
New More detail
Transmeta's original plan was to execute the x86 architecture in emulation faster than actual silicon.

To this end they created a very good emulation scheme and eliminated bottlenecks. For instance they eliminated several bottlenecks that result in excess heat generation.

The idea was sound, but it took longer to implement than they planned on. So they wound up with a slower chip. But it didn't produce much heat, so it was lower power. They then decided to market a low power x86 chip, and hoped (because of the simplicity of their design) to execute cycles of Moore faster than Intel, eventually getting back to their original goal. (Business note: a low power x86 chip is essentially only marketable to the mobile Windows/DOS market. Mobile so that you have tight power requirements, and Windows because other architectures let you switch to better low-power chips like ARM.)

However as Thane points out, Intel cut off their air supply in the low power market, and at least in part due to resource problems, Transmeta wound up executing Moore more slowly than Intel did.

Transmeta knew from the beginning that they were either going to completely dominate x86 or they would sink without a trace. They're going to do the latter.

But it was an interesting idea.

Cheers,
Ben
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
New I've not followed this at all.
But I am curious. Is Linus still working for Transmeta? Does Transmeta still exist in one form or another (and please, no flame about google. I know, I know. But, this site has always seemed to be the distillation of virtually all knowledge obtainable by google and several hours [days?])
bcnu,
Mikem

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New No. Yes. I didn't use Google to find that out. :-)
I have come to believe that idealism without discipline is a quick road to disaster, while discipline without idealism is pointless. -- Aaron Ward (my brother)
New I didn't suspect you had. But,
I was right. You answered my question quicker than google ;0)
bcnu,
Mikem

Eine Leute. Eine Welt. Ein F\ufffdhrer.
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New He is sponsored to the OSDL. On Sabbatical from Transmeta
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New Thanks.
bcnu,
Mikem

Eine Leute. Eine Welt. Ein F\ufffdhrer.
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New They were doomed from the off.
Low power is nice, but when your CPU costs more and does less than either the AMD or Intel competition, it's hard to see long-term survival as a viable option.


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New Thanks all...
It was a serious question as I've heard very little past all the speculation when Linus joined about what the company was up to.

The Transmeta site gives no hint of their imminent demise (numerous news articles are not bashful about predicting this however). It seems their processors may find a significant niche in the dedicated circuit/device market though probably too early to tell. I have found numerous articles that share the pessimism provided in this thread. It's a sad story thus far.
Just a few thoughts,

Danno
New The ultimate proof, I suppose...
...is to be found in the fact that Linus has a Mac, which is distinctly non-Transmeta-powered.

For reasons beyond my ken, though, he insists on running Linux on it.


Peter
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New Transmeta news from TheReg.
[link|http://www.theregister.co.uk/2005/03/30/transmeta_results_q4_fy04/|Here]:

A near doubling in Transmeta's technology licensing revenue during its fourth quarter proved insufficient to stem the chip maker's losses, it reported Tuesday.

And the company held out the prospect of radical changes to its organisation. It will spill the beans tomorrow, it said.

[...]


Cheers,
Scott.
     Vindication? - (danreck) - (15)
         He's still running Linux on it... -NT - (admin) - (1)
             So he SAYS. -NT - (pwhysall)
         Okay... MFAC - (folkert) - (12)
             Sorry... I did read the article - (danreck) - (11)
                 Serious about Transmeta questions? - (inthane-chan) - (10)
                     More detail - (ben_tilly) - (6)
                         I've not followed this at all. - (mmoffitt) - (4)
                             No. Yes. I didn't use Google to find that out. :-) -NT - (ben_tilly) - (1)
                                 I didn't suspect you had. But, - (mmoffitt)
                             He is sponsored to the OSDL. On Sabbatical from Transmeta -NT - (folkert) - (1)
                                 Thanks. -NT - (mmoffitt)
                         They were doomed from the off. - (pwhysall)
                     Thanks all... - (danreck) - (1)
                         The ultimate proof, I suppose... - (pwhysall)
                     Transmeta news from TheReg. - (Another Scott)

I bought a mouse to try it out on before using it myself.
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