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New Agreed.
I am seriously frustrated with M$ products of wordprocessing.

I don't like the way it is "casual" with registration, automaticness, "Oh, I can do that better than you"-ness, etc...

I was (and still am) so sick of it, I built the publishing system. It does letters, envelopes, brochures, postcards, flyers, trifold, bi-folds, Letter/Legal/11x17 pretty much any paper size that the PPD for the printer supports. If we had a color laser or color dye-sub printer it could do those too.

If the customer has a word doc, I print it to a .ps import it, preview it with markup, test print, it can do a four way merge (for data sources) with conditionals. Allows for absoute and relative positioning, TeX takes care of type setting. It can aso use the PDF as a form and then populate the areas needing printing. and get a final doc looking awesome.

About the only thing I cannot do is help these two understand it. And it prompts them for nearly everything. When the first field in the printing dialog is filled out, they then find the datasource, then they cut and paste the text, drag and drop the fields into the locations either in-line, relative (like a picture) or absolute (like and address to be in a Windowed envelope).

I have even install cygwin-xfre on both computers for them. So all they have to do is Double-click on the icon and it displays within 20 seconds. The only thing different for them from Windows... it file locations. /home/user/MyDocuments/datafile , /data/jobfiles/8chrcust/jobordernum/fancy.doc, etc... /home/user == H: from Windows, /data == S: from windows, /data/jobfiles/ == T: with special locking features to eliminate locking problems with the datasources if there are any.

I do not understand the aversion I see from them. I have asked them what is wrong with it. They both say, nothing, they like the ability to get consistent look and feel of the printed stuff. I like it cause I can save setups and just change a few things for repeat jobs but slightly different. I think that they both do not wanna "change" the modus-operandi.

Me, I use it nearly everyday. But, I use the CLI interface to it... except for the doc editing, it spawns texmacs and I force it to save in TeX. Of course, TeX is very simple for me to use. It feel like a super-enhanced XHTML on steroids. I can do nearly anything I want. Best part is, I can setup a complet pub in about a half hour, starting from scratch unless it is hugely complex. The one bad thing is, we don't have enough printers. It seems like we get a ton of jobs with laser impressions at the same time!
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[link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ iwethey

[link|http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=134485&cid=11233230|"Microsoft Security" is an even better oxymoron than "Military Intelligence"]
No matter how much Microsoft supporters whine about how Linux and other operating systems have just as many bugs as their operating systems do, the bottom line is that the serious, gut-wrenching problems happen on Windows, not on Linux, not on Mac OS. -- [link|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1622086,00.asp|source]
New Sounds like a wonderful app.
I can't stand Word97. I've never bothered to read a manual for it, in any depth. It claims to be friendly but it has the most annoying ways of helping.

Changing ":)" into a SmileyFace is controlled by the Spellchecker? How is a new user supposed to know that?

I want back the weeks of my life spent over the last 7-ish years fighting with it.... I'm constantly frustrated by its automatically jumping in and changing a number into a numbered paragraph, or not doing so when I want it to, or changing indents when I don't want it to, etc. And don't get me started on how it changes positioning of graphics files on the page, and page breaks, when I change from a Lexmark PS printer to a Canon i550. What I usually have to do to preserve formatting for other readers is to print to PS, then convert it to .PDF with Ghostscript and distribute the .PDF.

Of course, PowerPoint97 is worse in many respects.

Yeah, yeah, "RTFM". Thanks. ;-)

It would be really nice if the now defunct [link|http://www.os2ezine.com/v1n3/describe.html|DeScribe 5] had modern import and export filters. That was a wonderful word processor (for OS/2 and Win32).

Your application sounds wonderful. Is there any way you can benefit from it outside of work? In other words, is there a public version?

Thanks.

Cheers,
Scott.
New It works and *IMNSHO* easy to use...
But Ugly. I am not an Interface prettyfier.

Are there bugs?? Yes. But I fix em as I find em.

Public release, unfortuneately Company Owner == Program Owner. He wants $$$$ from competitors...

Since this app allows use to easily "DO" tax bills for townships, counties and states...

All in a single pass.

I just don;t have the ability to understand the Sorting stuff for the USPS. But then again the MM is HYARGE!

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[link|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net|greg],
[link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ iwethey

[link|http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=134485&cid=11233230|"Microsoft Security" is an even better oxymoron than "Military Intelligence"]
No matter how much Microsoft supporters whine about how Linux and other operating systems have just as many bugs as their operating systems do, the bottom line is that the serious, gut-wrenching problems happen on Windows, not on Linux, not on Mac OS. -- [link|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1622086,00.asp|source]
New For directory locations
may be you could use cygwin links to nake things more familiar to them. I had cygwin's /home/Arkadiy point at My Documents before.
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And what are we doing when the two most powerful nations on earth -- America and Israel -- stomp on the elementary rights of human beings?

-- letter to the editor from W. Ostermeier, Liechtenstein

New True... but the app is running on...
A Linux machine. The icon starts cygwin with xfree and then executes an ssh execte on the other end to display the app on the Windows Desktop.

I keep having to explain to them... the idea behind Linux and Filesystems.

One of these days, the Flush-n-Forget will see the light as soon as he can't figure out howto do it in Word.

The Glassy-Eyed one, will just have to sit in front of it for days at a time to "get it"

In any case, I have considered letting the app run on Windows2K/2K3/XP/XP-MCE/XP-SP2(which it can). My only problem with it is that I can't control things as much.
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[link|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net|greg],
[link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ iwethey

[link|http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=134485&cid=11233230|"Microsoft Security" is an even better oxymoron than "Military Intelligence"]
No matter how much Microsoft supporters whine about how Linux and other operating systems have just as many bugs as their operating systems do, the bottom line is that the serious, gut-wrenching problems happen on Windows, not on Linux, not on Mac OS. -- [link|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1622086,00.asp|source]
New Can they access raw files on the Unix machine?
Can they double-click a file in Windows to show a document? Do scare black rectangular windows show up? YOu have to think as (l)user there. Just like you feel hamstrung in less-than-capable shell, they feel hamstrung w/o double click, drag-and-drop, point-and-drool.
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And what are we doing when the two most powerful nations on earth -- America and Israel -- stomp on the elementary rights of human beings?

-- letter to the editor from W. Ostermeier, Liechtenstein

     So I have to re-order a list for 3-up printing. - (folkert) - (21)
         Perl or Python script. -NT - (admin) - (3)
             UHHHHH My thought too. - (folkert) - (2)
                 Re: UHHHHH My thought too. - (admin) - (1)
                     Danke. Wow. - (folkert)
         What am I missing? - (jbrabeck) - (2)
             Oops, wrong answer... Disregard above. -NT - (jbrabeck) - (1)
                 See my other thanks... - (folkert)
         If you are nice I'll send this to you - (broomberg) - (13)
             Thanks anyway. - (folkert) - (12)
                 I'm in the reverse mode - (broomberg) - (9)
                     I still think that it is neater... - (ben_tilly) - (2)
                         hahahahahahahahahahah - (broomberg) - (1)
                             I didn't say feasible :-P -NT - (ben_tilly)
                     Agreed. - (folkert) - (5)
                         Sounds like a wonderful app. - (Another Scott) - (1)
                             It works and *IMNSHO* easy to use... - (folkert)
                         For directory locations - (Arkadiy) - (2)
                             True... but the app is running on... - (folkert) - (1)
                                 Can they access raw files on the Unix machine? - (Arkadiy)
                 Lemme guess, do they have trouble... - (ben_tilly) - (1)
                     Not really. - (folkert)

Truthful and transparent is great, but we don’t even have a coherent strategy to obfuscate.
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