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New Hyperbole.
I'm the last one to defend MS. But that line you wrote: "I have info that the IE team is being restaffed - apparently the falling numbers are beginning to worry the evil empire." "Falling numbers" being a worry? Not really. What's Moz + Firefox's penetration? 4%, 5%? Contrast that with the still almost uncountable number of sites that "only work with IE".

Nobody at my house uses Winders. I use it at work (along with Linux), but this "they're on the verge of collapse" stuff is self-defeating at best. I wish it were not hyperbole, but it is. My read is that MSFT will be dominant until I retire (May, 2015) and at that point I won't give a tinker's damn.
bcnu,
Mikem

Eine Leute. Eine Welt. Ein F\ufffdhrer.
God Bless America.
New Don't think so
"What's Moz + Firefox's penetration? 4%, 5%?"

Actually, its pushing 10 and growing. Plus, its the trend that's worrying. Left on its own it will accellerate. If it drops below 70% then I suspect its a tipping point and domination will never be reestablished.



"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect"   --Mark Twain

"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them."   --Albert Einstein

"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses."   --George W. Bush
New Got stats for that?
I'd heard the 5% figure, but without hard numbers I dunno.

I'd like to believe you.


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New check these
[link|http://www.w3schools.com/browsers/browsers_stats.asp|20% for Firefox in 2/05]

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New different numbers from different places
Most put it around 5%, but [link|http://www.onestat.com/html/aboutus_pressbox34.html|this article] puts Mozilla at 7.35% back in November.
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New I have a site that shows greater penetration... (not pR0n)
It is safe for work...

[link|http://tinyurl.com/4ozb4|January shows nearly 60%] for Mozilla/FireFox/other Gecko based browsers.

It is a pretty good source too. I'd have to think a precedent may be settling.
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[link|http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=134485&cid=11233230|"Microsoft Security" is an even better oxymoron than "Miltary Intelligence"]
No matter how much Microsoft supporters whine about how Linux and other operating systems have just as many bugs as their operating systems do, the bottom line is that the serious, gut-wrenching problems happen on Windows, not on Linux, not on Mac OS. -- [link|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1622086,00.asp|source]
Expand Edited by folkert Feb. 14, 2005, 02:32:15 PM EST
New Oh. THAT place.
Some of the top referrers to that site are:
  • [link|http://maturegalleries.org/|http://maturegalleries.org/]
  • [link|http://fisting-sex.net/|http://fisting-sex.net/]
  • [link|http://hardcore-porn-pictures.biz/|http://hardcore-porn-pictures.biz/]
  • [link|http://www.searchforsex.com/index2.html|http://www.searchforsex.com/index2.html]
  • [link|http://www.black-white.us/incest|http://www.black-white.us/incest]
  • \t[link|http://www.daddyswhores.net/|http://www.daddyswhores.net/]


(These places CAN'T be 'work-safe')
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  • Paranoia Is a Survival Trait
  • Pessimists are never disappointed - but sometimes, if they are very lucky, they can be pleasantly surprised...
  • Even though everyone is out to get you, it doesn't matter unless you let them win.


Nothing is as simple as it seems in the beginning,
As hopeless as it seems in the middle,
Or as finished as it seems in the end.
 
 
New Nope, not a single one of those listed are SFW.
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[link|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net|greg],
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[link|http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=134485&cid=11233230|"Microsoft Security" is an even better oxymoron than "Miltary Intelligence"]
No matter how much Microsoft supporters whine about how Linux and other operating systems have just as many bugs as their operating systems do, the bottom line is that the serious, gut-wrenching problems happen on Windows, not on Linux, not on Mac OS. -- [link|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1622086,00.asp|source]
New Interesting... So, the USAF has a facility at something...
...called "grandforks" -- where have I heard that name before? And they have a box called "HAL 9000" there, I see, which is the eighth-most frequent caller here... Hey, Greg, BTW, you never mentioned where you work nowadays... Want a semi-educated guess? :-)










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(I live in Finland, and my e-mail in-box is at the Saunalahti company.)
Your lies are of Microsoftian Scale and boring to boot. Your 'depression' may be the closest you ever come to recognizing truth: you have no 'inferiority complex', you are inferior - and something inside you recognizes this. - [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=71575|Ashton Brown]
New off by a few states..
Grand Forks is a city in North Dakota along its border with Minnesota. Folkert's in Michigan.

Steven_AS is the user there.
--
Steve
New Ah, duh! Note to self (not K): Forks != Rapids. Thx, Steve.
New I work at this location.
[link|http://www.mapquest.com/maps/map.adp?country=US&addtohistory=&formtype=address&searchtype=address&cat=&address=5510%2033rd%20St%20Se&city=Grand%20Rapids&state=MI&zipcode=49512%2d2060&searchtab=home|WAM, Inc., 5510 33rd St SE, Cascade Twp, MI 49512-2060, US, (616) 957-MAIL(6245)] (if the image doesn't work)

[image|http://mq-mapgend.websys.aol.com/mqmapgend?MQMapGenRequest=FDR2dmwjDE%3byt29%26FDJnci4Jkqj%2cMMCJ%3aHOEvq%3bwawua8%3a%29r8slu8%3a%26%40%24%3a%26%40y%3aqyb%3al4b%3aTD%15JFE%3aHOHQJ%3bwawua8%3a%29r8slu8%3a%26%40%24%3a%26%40%24x9%40||Greg Works HERE!|353|463]

That is where all my machines live too.

Most mornings, I can smell the Jet Fuel being used by idling turbine engines. MMMMMMM, reminds me of why I like racing.
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[link|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net|greg],
[link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ iwethey

[link|http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=134485&cid=11233230|"Microsoft Security" is an even better oxymoron than "Miltary Intelligence"]
No matter how much Microsoft supporters whine about how Linux and other operating systems have just as many bugs as their operating systems do, the bottom line is that the serious, gut-wrenching problems happen on Windows, not on Linux, not on Mac OS. -- [link|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1622086,00.asp|source]
Edit: Damn typo.
Expand Edited by folkert Feb. 15, 2005, 08:41:27 AM EST
New Coordinates acquired, target locked, fire at will



"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect"   --Mark Twain

"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them."   --Albert Einstein

"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses."   --George W. Bush
New I am going to tell...
Willie on you. He is 84, short, black and keeps on a ticking... he has got more "artificial" pieces than most cyborgs do. I doubt the missile will hurt him. He is like a cochroach, he will out live us all, the roaches too.
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[link|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net|greg],
[link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ iwethey

[link|http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=134485&cid=11233230|"Microsoft Security" is an even better oxymoron than "Miltary Intelligence"]
No matter how much Microsoft supporters whine about how Linux and other operating systems have just as many bugs as their operating systems do, the bottom line is that the serious, gut-wrenching problems happen on Windows, not on Linux, not on Mac OS. -- [link|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1622086,00.asp|source]
New You keep your willie
in your pants.



"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect"   --Mark Twain

"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them."   --Albert Einstein

"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses."   --George W. Bush
New No... not that one!
No... really, William is his real name, he is 84 and about 4'9" tall, gray haired old-guy of Afro-ethnic origin.
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[link|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net|greg],
[link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ iwethey

[link|http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=134485&cid=11233230|"Microsoft Security" is an even better oxymoron than "Miltary Intelligence"]
No matter how much Microsoft supporters whine about how Linux and other operating systems have just as many bugs as their operating systems do, the bottom line is that the serious, gut-wrenching problems happen on Windows, not on Linux, not on Mac OS. -- [link|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1622086,00.asp|source]
New That's me lurking about
~~~)-Steven----

"I want you to remember that no bastard ever won a war by dying for his country.
He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country..."

General George S. Patton
New Those stats may be depressed too
simply because anyone that has Windows, has IE; even if they only use it for updating Windows. This of course means for at least some reports, anyone who has Mozilla, Firefox, or Opera on Windows is being counted twice (if everyone used Firefox, this type of reporting would show 50% share)
~~~)-Steven----

"I want you to remember that no bastard ever won a war by dying for his country.
He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country..."

General George S. Patton
New And besides that
Today I had to use the UserAgent extension to tell a site that I was using IE6 when in fact I was using Mozilla. The site came up, then it redirected to a message telling me that they had imporved the site, and to take advantage of it I'd need a more modern browser. Provided links to the download pages for IE and Netscape.

I offered a different UserAgent string, and compared the site side-by-side with Mozilla/Linux and IE6/WXP. I didn't see any differences. Had the pediatrician not already called the prescription in to that pharmacy, they would have lost a sale.
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New Me 2.
bcnu,
Mikem

Eine Leute. Eine Welt. Ein F\ufffdhrer.
God Bless America.
New So, if 70% is the limit.
Would you say Apache hasn't achieved domination?
bcnu,
Mikem

Eine Leute. Eine Welt. Ein F\ufffdhrer.
God Bless America.
     RIP MS? - (tuberculosis) - (25)
         Um, their OS releases have almost always been late too. - (Another Scott) - (2)
             DOS 5.0 was late. - (pwhysall) - (1)
                 But they blamed IBM for that. Always IBM's fault, you know. -NT - (Another Scott)
         Read the Innovator's Dilemma + Solution - (ben_tilly)
         Hyperbole. - (mmoffitt) - (20)
             Don't think so - (tuberculosis) - (19)
                 Got stats for that? - (pwhysall) - (17)
                     check these - (andread)
                     different numbers from different places - (SpiceWare)
                     I have a site that shows greater penetration... (not pR0n) - (folkert) - (11)
                         Oh. THAT place. - (imric) - (1)
                             Nope, not a single one of those listed are SFW. -NT - (folkert)
                         Interesting... So, the USAF has a facility at something... - (CRConrad) - (8)
                             off by a few states.. - (Steve Lowe) - (1)
                                 Ah, duh! Note to self (not K): Forks != Rapids. Thx, Steve. -NT - (CRConrad)
                             I work at this location. - (folkert) - (4)
                                 Coordinates acquired, target locked, fire at will -NT - (tuberculosis) - (3)
                                     I am going to tell... - (folkert) - (2)
                                         You keep your willie - (tuberculosis) - (1)
                                             No... not that one! - (folkert)
                             That's me lurking about -NT - (Steven A S)
                     Those stats may be depressed too - (Steven A S) - (1)
                         And besides that - (drewk)
                     Me 2. -NT - (mmoffitt)
                 So, if 70% is the limit. - (mmoffitt)

Everyone is terrible and the world is burning.
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