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New butter plane
"You show a fighter (made lighter/smaller for maneuvering) hitting a solid brick wall and expect the results to be the same as a much more rigid vehicle hitting essentially 3-4 inches of glass."

No, actually we all saw on television the plane, made largely out of aluminum, entering a building with an exterior that has steel columns. (The windows were between the columns.) The plane's wings and fuselage are making contact with the steel buildings. How does the plane enter the steel building like a hot knife through butter?


New Easy. It's simple physics.
Go read [link|http://wtc.nist.gov/media/P2BaselineStrucPerf&AircraftImpact.pdf|this] 96 page .PDF from NIST that discusses the 767 impacts on the towers. Come back if you still have questions.

Cheers,
Scott.
New Re: Easy. It's simple physics.
The NIST report is kind of a laughingstock on the Net. However, it has nothing to do with the current thread.
New Wave your hands all you like...
New Correct...
disproving your silly article has nothing to do with this thread.

We now return to (which exactly I'm not sure) your alternate reality...already in progress.

Who needs physics.

Gravity just sucks.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition

[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
New "The Net"?
What "Net"?


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New Re: "The Net"?
The Internet.
New I repeat.
What "Net"?

The NIST report may well be a "laughingstock" on the conspiracy-oriented web sites, but on the web at large (the Internet is a network, as noted; as such it's lower-level than the WWW and carries services such as SMTP and NTP; sadly "The Internet" has become a synonym for "The World Wide Web". But I digress.) it's not fair to say that it's a "laughingstock".

Please note that I don't give a shit what the "blogosphere" thinks, either.


Peter
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New That thingie Al Gore invented, remember?
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition

[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
New Re: Easy. It's simple physics.
Well, if you're asking us to take "kind of a laughingstock on the net" as sufficient grounds for dismissal of an article, I hate to tell you, but yours seems to have achieved that here, and in record time! Is that what you really intended to say?

Giovanni
Have whatever values you have. That's what America is for.
You don't need George Bush for that.
Expand Edited by GBert Feb. 11, 2005, 03:48:01 PM EST
New Well, there was that universal peace guy..
New Well..
...there are much more skilled folks here to describe the physics of the issue.

Stuff like mass, inertia, tensile strength.

Send it to mythbusters. I don't think you'll get many takers here.
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition

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New 'Cause we all know steel beats aluminum
Just like rock beats scissors. It's common knowledge.
     911 and the Society of the Spectacle - (Sam_Fan) - (72)
         Well, the author is an idiot - (JayMehaffey) - (34)
             Re: Well, the author is an idiot - (Sam_Fan) - (33)
                 Re: Well, the author is an idiot - (JayMehaffey) - (12)
                     Re: Well, the author is an idiot - (Sam_Fan) - (11)
                         Why would the wing break off? - (Another Scott) - (10)
                             Aircraft aluminum - (Andrew Grygus) - (9)
                                 While I appreciate this info - (broomberg) - (2)
                                     marlowe doesn't stick around to argue, so Sam's standing in. -NT - (Another Scott)
                                     Well, because . . . - (Andrew Grygus)
                                 It IS hard - (imric)
                                 Re: Aircraft aluminum - (Sam_Fan) - (4)
                                     Evidence please. - (Another Scott)
                                     Bah. You simply don't listen. - (imric)
                                     Actually, that's complete nonsense. - (pwhysall)
                                     If heavier is safer . . . - (Andrew Grygus)
                 "911" - isn't that a phone number, to you Yanks? (new thread) - (CRConrad)
                 Not harsh - (bepatient) - (17)
                     To support some claims... - (Simon_Jester) - (3)
                         Further - (bepatient) - (2)
                             Re: Further - (Sam_Fan) - (1)
                                 As opposed - (bepatient)
                     butter plane - (Sam_Fan) - (12)
                         Easy. It's simple physics. - (Another Scott) - (9)
                             Re: Easy. It's simple physics. - (Sam_Fan) - (8)
                                 Wave your hands all you like... -NT - (Another Scott)
                                 Correct... - (bepatient)
                                 "The Net"? - (pwhysall) - (3)
                                     Re: "The Net"? - (Sam_Fan) - (1)
                                         I repeat. - (pwhysall)
                                     That thingie Al Gore invented, remember? -NT - (bepatient)
                                 Re: Easy. It's simple physics. - (GBert) - (1)
                                     Well, there was that universal peace guy.. -NT - (inthane-chan)
                         Well.. - (bepatient)
                         'Cause we all know steel beats aluminum - (FuManChu)
                 Your expectations are wrong. - (Another Scott)
         Have you been to the Pentagon web site? - (Another Scott)
         You are a complete, f*cking idiot - (ben_tilly) - (19)
             Thank you, Agent Tilly. Please return to base. - (pwhysall) - (2)
                 ROTFL -NT - (ben_tilly)
                 All your base are be- ! <crash, bump, ungh, drag> - (jake123)
             I met the french guys... - (bepatient) - (7)
                 Trenchcoat mafia, eh? - (jake123) - (6)
                     Semi-seriously - (bepatient) - (5)
                         Non, je suis sur qu'ils sont tres sympathique - (jake123) - (4)
                             Control Panel, "Regional and Language Options" applet, on... - (CRConrad) - (1)
                                 Thanks, I'll have to try to remember that - (jake123)
                             That has been my experience as well. - (bepatient) - (1)
                                 Yeah, l'ecole polytechnique - (jake123)
             Mass hysteria? - (imric) - (6)
                 Dogs and cats, living together - (jake123)
                 I'm here to chew bubble gum... - (bepatient)
                 What's the watches reference? -NT - (inthane-chan) - (3)
                     They Live - (imric) - (2)
                         Oh, I saw it... - (inthane-chan) - (1)
                             Teleport away in emergencies... -NT - (imric)
             You sure it was Jets and not Black Helicopters? -NT - (mmoffitt)
         A hint for you - (ben_tilly) - (12)
             Re: A hint for you - (Sam_Fan) - (11)
                 Then they weren't there. -NT - (bepatient)
                 Evidence, please. -NT - (pwhysall)
                 Nobody that I know - (ben_tilly) - (8)
                     Re: Nobody that I know - (Sam_Fan) - (7)
                         Uh huh. -NT - (imric)
                         Let's examine the possibilities - (ben_tilly) - (2)
                             OT - did you whack your user prefs or something? -NT - (admin) - (1)
                                 Not intentionally... - (ben_tilly)
                         No you haven't. - (bepatient)
                         You need to get out more. -NT - (Another Scott)
                         Question for you - (drewk)
         head up ass time - (daemon) - (1)
             Oh by the way welcome and stop in anytime :-) -NT - (daemon)
         Re: 911 and the Age of Illiteracy and Innumeracy - (Ashton)

It is, however, a surprise that he's not been beaten to death with his own stapler.
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