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New It's official: US in recession
[link|http://news.cnet.com/news/0-1007-200-7978847.html?tag=mn_hd|at news.com]
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-scott anderson
New I sure am glad they figured >that< out.
I would have never known otherwise :-/

No wonder economists have a bad reputation...that they wait and officially declare it a recession pretty much a full quarter after everyone already knew.

You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! Laurie Anderson

[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
New Well... ____that's______One_____reason.________:-\ufffd
New Calling the race and announcing the result
Let's be fair, speaking as a pseudo-economist myself.

There are a number of different facets to economics. Among them are the predictive indicators. You'll hear these described in business news as The Conference Board's [link|http://www.conference-board.org/products/lei1.cfm|index of leading economic indicators]. This includes consumer confidence, purchasing and hiring plans. The idea is that these metrics indicate probable directions of future economic movement. There are also coincident indicators (what's happening now) and lagging indicators (where was the economy). For more information, see the Conference Board's [link|http://www.conference-board.org/whoweare/FAQ.cfm|FAQ] and [link|http://www.globalindicators.org/|business cycle indicators]. These measures allow a prediction of where things are heading -- calling a race, if you will.

What you're seeing right now is the official recordkeeping. This is the final (well, except for adjustments) measure of how well the economy actually performed. It's equivalent to the official timekeeper's report at a race. Most economic data has significant reporting lags (in health care data analysis, we deal with INBRs -- incurred but not reported claims, with a lag of up to three months before final settling of a claim). Most data are reported on a monthly basis with adjustments. So, we're now getting data for Q32001.

You'll notice the announcement was "it's official", not "it's a surprise". The results were expected (predicted) by available data. They've now been confirmed.
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Karsten M. Self [link|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com|kmself@ix.netcom.com]
What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?
New And thats another reason...
...cause when K went into "pseudo-economist-mode"...he felt compelled to explain my anti-establishment rant with links....(at least he didn't draw a graph...he did...however...link to some)

<thick british accent>
Follow me. Follow me. That's good, that's good! A nod's as good as a wink to a blind bat!
</thick british accent>

Say no more!

You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! Laurie Anderson

[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
New Simple version for people like me:
Well, the lady on NPR said the main official definition of a recession involves two consecutive quarters of declining economic, um, stuff.

So you really can't call it a recession (under that definition) until you see six months worth of data. Best case, where all the numbers pop up instantly and you have it all laid out on the computer so the calculations take you no time at all and the recession starts right on the quarter and not soemwhere in the middle, is that you can make the call after the recession has been going on for half a year. In this case, I hear it was seven months, which is actualy pretty prompt.

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"You don't have to be right - just use bolded upper case" - annon.
New Calling the race and announcing the result
Let's be fair, speaking as a pseudo-economist myself.

There are a number of different facets to economics. Among them are the predictive indicators. You'll hear these described in business news as The Conference Board's [link|http://www.conference-board.org/products/lei1.cfm|index of leading economic indicators]. This includes consumer confidence, purchasing and hiring plans. The idea is that these metrics indicate probable directions of future economic movement. There are also coincident indicators (what's happening now) and lagging indicators (where was the economy). For more information, see the Conference Board's [link|http://www.conference-board.org/whoweare/FAQ.cfm|FAQ] and [link|http://www.globalindicators.org/|business cycle indicators]. These measures allow a prediction of where things are heading -- calling a race, if you will.

What you're seeing right now is the official recordkeeping. This is the final (well, except for adjustments) measure of how well the economy actually performed. It's equivalent to the official timekeeper's report at a race. Most economic data has significant reporting lags (in health care data analysis, we deal with INBRs -- incurred but not reported claims, with a lag of up to three months before final settling of a claim). Most data are reported on a monthly basis with adjustments. So, we're now getting data for Q32001.

You'll notice the announcement was "it's official", not "it's a surprise". The results were expected (predicted) by available data. They've now been confirmed.
--
Karsten M. Self [link|mailto:kmself@ix.netcom.com|kmself@ix.netcom.com]
What part of "gestalt" don't you understand?
New So...do we get the day off or what?
Tom Sinclair
Speaker-to-Suits
New Well Duh!
All my friends are out of work. Thats a recession.

When I'm out of work - thats a depression.

I'm totally bored with my plumbing job but desperately trying to stave off depression.

     It's official: US in recession - (admin) - (8)
         I sure am glad they figured >that< out. - (bepatient) - (5)
             Well... ____that's______One_____reason.________:-\ufffd -NT - (Ashton)
             Calling the race and announcing the result - (kmself) - (2)
                 And thats another reason... - (bepatient)
                 Simple version for people like me: - (mhuber)
             Calling the race and announcing the result - (kmself)
         So...do we get the day off or what? -NT - (tjsinclair)
         Well Duh! - (tuberculosis)

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