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Post #193,903
by inthane-chan
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2/10/05 12:25:30 AM
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New So who's #1 in the laser business?
Post #193,907
by pwhysall
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2/10/05 1:17:56 AM
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New Canon/Brother/Epson/Oce/Oki/$ANYONE_ELSE
When it took me 28 days to get an engineer to an HP LJ9000 with 4x4 cover, I knew that something was amiss.

We use Oc\ufffd printers for real work.

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Post #193,958
by broomberg
2/10/05 9:56:16 AM
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New Oce' - me too
Have you played with the Prisma spooling software? Suweeeeeet!
Post #193,967
by pwhysall
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2/10/05 10:31:40 AM
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New Nope
But not 15 feet away from me is a 2070 network copier :-)

There's two of these in the building plus a pair of 3165s.

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Post #194,082
by broomberg
2/10/05 11:40:14 PM
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New We got lots
Here's the list:
QTY Model
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10 \t \tOce VarioStream 7650 Print System with QCDS for MICR Toner
18 \t\tOce Pagestream 466 with QCDS for MICR Toner
6 \t\tOce Pagestream 372 Print System with QCDS for MICR Toner
3 \t\tOce Pagestream 88 Print System
1 \t\tOce Pagestream 2140 Print System
Post #193,923
by Andrew Grygus
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2/10/05 3:54:31 AM
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New HP is still the big seller . .
. . and last time I looked by a pretty good margin, but the profitable part of the business is selling overpriced inkjet cartridges for very low end printers and suing anyone who refills or makes clones. They still sell the most laser printers, but that distinction is fading fast.

Lexmark (formerly IBM Selectric division) is #2. Dell has entered the printer business with the intent of undermining the others on consumable pricing, and theirs are all manufactured by Lexmark.

Lexmark gained fame by suing a company that bypassed their ink cartridge "blow on empty" chips under the DMCA (Digital Millenium Copyright Act), but as a legal expert pointed out, for due diligence they just had to try it and see if it worked.

For color printing at significant speed, Xerox seems to have it. I haven't seen a laser speed color printer that wasn't a Xerox for at least 5 years. The printers (solid ink) were Techtronics. Good thing Xerox took over because Techtronics was pulling a Banyan, making it as impossible as possible to qualify to sell their product.

For low end dot printers, don't under any circumstances buy a Panasonic (difficulty getting repaired). Okidata and Epson do well for low and midrange.

A bit higher up, I (and Rose) love our Datasouth Documax (there's one hiding under the counter at most airline ticket offices I understand). I have several clients I've sold a couple of them to each (dual track, ours is single track). For multipart forms, though, you have to tell them to go slower on the feed or they'll rip '4m to shreds. Unlike most dot printers you can tell them that sort of stuff.



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Post #193,928
by pwhysall
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2/10/05 4:16:57 AM
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New Surely "Tektronix"?
And the Phaser printers rocked.

Minolta make some serious kit in the colour laser business, as do Konica.

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Post #193,930
by Andrew Grygus
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2/10/05 4:20:36 AM
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New Re: Surely "Tektronix"?
They're still called "Phasers". Put one on a client's network a couple of days ago (they wore the first one out).
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Post #193,949
by Steven A S
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2/10/05 9:46:28 AM
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New That's redundant
Minolta make some serious kit in the colour laser business, as do Konica.


Konica and Minolta joined together some time ago. They've been selling printers under the combined name "Konica Minolta"
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He won it by making the other poor dumb bastard die for his country..."

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Post #193,955
by pwhysall
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2/10/05 9:50:01 AM
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New It's been a while :-)

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Post #193,934
by static
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2/10/05 7:09:18 AM
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New That's a loaded question. :-)
However, I was thinking of the inkjet market. Mind you, I haven't seen a HP LaserJet I could respect since the original LJ4.

Wade.

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Somebody rip my heart out
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Is it enough to die
Somebody save my life
I'd rather be Anything but Ordinary
Please

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     Carly's gone at HP - (bluke) - (37) - Feb. 9, 2005, 03:28:08 PM EST
         It's going to be tough at HP. - (Another Scott) - (4) - Feb. 9, 2005, 03:53:32 PM EST
             HP is Dead. - (pwhysall) - (3) - Feb. 9, 2005, 05:44:32 PM EST
                 Not to mention Alpha. - (jake123) - (1) - Feb. 9, 2005, 05:52:33 PM EST
                     Intel's got Alpha. - (Another Scott) - Feb. 9, 2005, 06:05:36 PM EST
                 Not quite yet - (lister) - Feb. 10, 2005, 03:10:10 PM EST
         Only about three years too late. -NT - (CRConrad) - Feb. 9, 2005, 05:00:12 PM EST
         They should have fined her - (tuberculosis) - Feb. 9, 2005, 06:18:52 PM EST
         I have a cousin who works there... - (ben_tilly) - (3) - Feb. 9, 2005, 07:45:57 PM EST
             Yeah, "Leave Me Alone" did it for me, too. -NT - (mmoffitt) - Feb. 9, 2005, 07:47:25 PM EST
             Who did? - (Another Scott) - Feb. 9, 2005, 08:00:48 PM EST
             Lots of happy employees - (lister) - Feb. 10, 2005, 03:02:53 PM EST
         Maybe now I'll get a driver for my scanner -NT - (drewk) - Feb. 9, 2005, 08:04:04 PM EST
         Well, good for Carley. - (Andrew Grygus) - (17) - Feb. 9, 2005, 08:51:05 PM EST
             I noticed in a recent HP catalog that they're selling ... - (Another Scott) - (16) - Feb. 9, 2005, 09:29:27 PM EST
                 As Peter put it... - (static) - (12) - Feb. 9, 2005, 09:46:04 PM EST
                     The HP II was a great printer . . . - (Andrew Grygus) - Feb. 9, 2005, 10:24:26 PM EST
                     So who's #1 in the laser business? -NT - (inthane-chan) - (10) - Feb. 10, 2005, 12:25:30 AM EST
                         Canon/Brother/Epson/Oce/Oki/$ANYONE_ELSE - (pwhysall) - (3) - Feb. 10, 2005, 01:17:56 AM EST
                             Oce' - me too - (broomberg) - (2) - Feb. 10, 2005, 09:56:16 AM EST
                                 Nope - (pwhysall) - (1) - Feb. 10, 2005, 10:31:40 AM EST
                                     We got lots - (broomberg) - Feb. 10, 2005, 11:40:14 PM EST
                         HP is still the big seller . . - (Andrew Grygus) - (4) - Feb. 10, 2005, 03:54:31 AM EST
                             Surely "Tektronix"? - (pwhysall) - (3) - Feb. 10, 2005, 04:16:57 AM EST
                                 Re: Surely "Tektronix"? - (Andrew Grygus) - Feb. 10, 2005, 04:20:36 AM EST
                                 That's redundant - (Steven A S) - (1) - Feb. 10, 2005, 09:46:28 AM EST
                                     It's been a while :-) -NT - (pwhysall) - Feb. 10, 2005, 09:50:01 AM EST
                         That's a loaded question. :-) - (static) - Feb. 10, 2005, 07:09:18 AM EST
                 But they will get better - (SpiceWare) - (2) - Feb. 9, 2005, 11:13:25 PM EST
                     I was hoping you'd comment. :-) - (Another Scott) - (1) - Feb. 9, 2005, 11:25:08 PM EST
                         I won't get as big of an improvement. - (SpiceWare) - Feb. 10, 2005, 09:49:40 AM EST
         they are selling a boat load of thunderdomes -NT - (daemon) - (5) - Feb. 9, 2005, 10:18:11 PM EST
             A boat. Singular. Rowing. - (pwhysall) - (4) - Feb. 10, 2005, 01:20:52 AM EST
                 The only good thing about HP-UX... - (static) - (3) - Feb. 10, 2005, 07:11:43 AM EST
                     Not any more... - (folkert) - (2) - Feb. 10, 2005, 08:40:55 AM EST
                         PA-RISC == deader than corduroy. -NT - (pwhysall) - Feb. 10, 2005, 09:51:00 AM EST
                         Carriers are still ordering a ton of them. - (daemon) - Feb. 10, 2005, 08:06:09 PM EST
         HP is dead. Long live HP. - (Another Scott) - Feb. 10, 2005, 11:28:37 PM EST

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