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Post #192,603
by Another Scott
2/2/05 7:55:37 AM
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New Makes sense to me.
I was going to post a quip like, "Yeah, FireFox shows how bad a decision it was to throw out the Netscape code." You made the case much better.

Sometimes you really do need to start over. It may be true that it's done far too often, but sometimes it is the appropriate choice.

Joel often rubs me the wrong way. I've only read ~ half a dozen of his posts, but his I-used-to-work-at-Microsoft-so-I-know-how-to-write-software / apply-for-a-job / whatever-better-than-you attitude grates sometimes.

People who make decisions he looks back on in hind-sight and disagrees with aren't all idiots. Borland and Netscape were done in more by MS's anticompetitive actions than by coding decisions...

My $0.02.

Cheers,
Scott.
Post #192,640
by tuberculosis
Picture of tuberculosis
2/2/05 12:05:04 PM
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New Know what you mean
its a pity he couldn't take his own advice on UI design while working at Microsoft.

He was just here to give a talk. I didn't sit through it but I popped in for a few minutes to get the gist of what he was on about. 90 seconds into it I just thought "well, duh" and walked out.



"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect"   --Mark Twain

"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them."   --Albert Einstein

"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses."   --George W. Bush
     When does a java constructor execute? - (drewk) - (56) - Jan. 28, 2005, 03:47:08 PM EST
         When you say 'new' - (tuberculosis) - (41) - Jan. 28, 2005, 05:08:09 PM EST
             Word from the IGM on ziwt says ... I was wrong - (drewk) - (40) - Jan. 28, 2005, 05:14:22 PM EST
                 I think you've got it - (tuberculosis) - (11) - Jan. 28, 2005, 05:37:00 PM EST
                     Would be nice to say that in the docs - (drewk) - (10) - Jan. 28, 2005, 06:11:29 PM EST
                         That's missing for most languages - (tuberculosis) - (6) - Jan. 29, 2005, 02:20:36 AM EST
                             Like Drew, I'm trying to teach myself Java. - (pwhysall) - (5) - Jan. 29, 2005, 04:09:20 PM EST
                                 "Effective Java" => oxymoron :-) -NT - (ChrisR) - (1) - Jan. 29, 2005, 05:30:47 PM EST
                                     "Microsoft Works" -NT - (drewk) - Jan. 29, 2005, 05:36:57 PM EST
                                 What would he know about it? - (tuberculosis) - (2) - Jan. 29, 2005, 08:10:59 PM EST
                                     That's an oddly visceral response. - (pwhysall) - (1) - Jan. 29, 2005, 08:18:31 PM EST
                                         Symptomatic of general J-headed attitude - (tuberculosis) - Jan. 30, 2005, 01:53:36 AM EST
                         Re: Would be nice to say that in the docs - (Arkadiy) - (2) - Jan. 29, 2005, 02:05:49 PM EST
                             That's it exactly - (drewk) - Jan. 29, 2005, 04:25:26 PM EST
                             I'd give up on Morphic - (tuberculosis) - Jan. 29, 2005, 08:16:16 PM EST
                 Now I'm getting frustrated (again) - (drewk) - (27) - Jan. 29, 2005, 05:03:28 PM EST
                     Re: Now I'm getting frustrated (again) - (admin) - (1) - Jan. 29, 2005, 07:11:02 PM EST
                         Badness - (jake123) - Jan. 29, 2005, 07:49:26 PM EST
                     Servlets and business logic - (warmachine) - (22) - Jan. 29, 2005, 07:12:42 PM EST
                         So is this example stupid? - (drewk) - (21) - Jan. 30, 2005, 11:48:02 PM EST
                             Hell, yeah! - (warmachine) - (1) - Jan. 31, 2005, 07:05:16 PM EST
                                 Re: Hell, yeah! - (admin) - Jan. 31, 2005, 08:00:58 PM EST
                             Way stupid - (tuberculosis) - (18) - Jan. 31, 2005, 08:25:16 PM EST
                                 Trying to learn The Right Way[tm] - (drewk) - (17) - Jan. 31, 2005, 11:14:41 PM EST
                                     No such way - (tuberculosis) - (16) - Jan. 31, 2005, 11:45:54 PM EST
                                         I need to write a small app like it's a big one - (drewk) - (15) - Feb. 1, 2005, 12:27:48 AM EST
                                             Huh, most people are trying to figure out the opposite - (tuberculosis) - Feb. 1, 2005, 04:18:18 AM EST
                                             This is classic - (ben_tilly) - (13) - Feb. 1, 2005, 02:07:20 PM EST
                                                 Um, ... - (mmoffitt) - (1) - Feb. 1, 2005, 03:51:29 PM EST
                                                     No. Exceptions exist. But generally, yes. -NT - (ben_tilly) - Feb. 1, 2005, 03:59:27 PM EST
                                                 Not exactly - (drewk) - (10) - Feb. 1, 2005, 05:29:27 PM EST
                                                     Good luck - (ben_tilly) - Feb. 1, 2005, 08:08:22 PM EST
                                                     Ah - so that's what you're trying to do - (tuberculosis) - (8) - Feb. 1, 2005, 08:20:00 PM EST
                                                         Time to hit the library - (drewk) - (3) - Feb. 1, 2005, 08:49:09 PM EST
                                                             That's an old interview. - (admin) - (2) - Feb. 1, 2005, 08:56:43 PM EST
                                                                 Gold mine - (drewk) - (1) - Feb. 1, 2005, 10:47:02 PM EST
                                                                     Moochos grassy arse -NT - (pwhysall) - Feb. 3, 2005, 10:19:28 AM EST
                                                         Several copies of Rod's book around here. - (admin) - (3) - Feb. 1, 2005, 08:57:37 PM EST
                                                             Q on book. - (mmoffitt) - (2) - Feb. 4, 2005, 12:24:21 PM EST
                                                                 Rod's book isn't for administrators - (admin) - (1) - Feb. 4, 2005, 12:58:13 PM EST
                                                                     Ok, thanks. -NT - (mmoffitt) - Feb. 4, 2005, 03:25:24 PM EST
                     That's not what they are saying - (tuberculosis) - (1) - Jan. 29, 2005, 08:22:52 PM EST
                         Servlets and page scoped variables. - (warmachine) - Jan. 30, 2005, 07:10:08 AM EST
         Re: When does a java constructor execute? - (dshellman) - (13) - Feb. 1, 2005, 09:24:50 AM EST
             There is a certain amount of value... - (admin) - (1) - Feb. 1, 2005, 09:29:09 AM EST
                 I already know that - (drewk) - Feb. 1, 2005, 05:32:59 PM EST
             s/Tomcat/Jetty/ - (tuberculosis) - (10) - Feb. 1, 2005, 12:23:31 PM EST
                 Based on what? - (admin) - (9) - Feb. 1, 2005, 12:55:12 PM EST
                     Personal experience - (tuberculosis) - (8) - Feb. 1, 2005, 01:32:10 PM EST
                         A couple of years back, sure. - (admin) - (7) - Feb. 1, 2005, 04:49:46 PM EST
                             Oh Tomcat 5 - (tuberculosis) - (6) - Feb. 1, 2005, 04:57:38 PM EST
                                 Reminds me of Spolsky's piece on Netscape - (FuManChu) - (5) - Feb. 1, 2005, 11:18:51 PM EST
                                     And I remember disagreeing with it the first time - (ben_tilly) - (4) - Feb. 2, 2005, 01:45:57 AM EST
                                         Makes sense to me. - (Another Scott) - (1) - Feb. 2, 2005, 07:55:37 AM EST
                                             Know what you mean - (tuberculosis) - Feb. 2, 2005, 12:05:04 PM EST
                                         It's a threshold thing - (ChrisR) - (1) - Feb. 2, 2005, 12:22:46 PM EST
                                             And that point is completely true - (ben_tilly) - Feb. 2, 2005, 08:58:01 PM EST

It applies to so much...
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