Post #192,542
2/1/05 8:20:00 PM
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Ah - so that's what you're trying to do
You didn't say so.
The thing is - most of that kind of architecture is approached incrementally starting with naive and simple and then benchmarking and refactoring as appropriate. A few things are sort of self-evident. Like thread safety is worth pursuing from the beginning. But more elaborate load distribution techniques are typically approached incrementally.
You might do better to do some [link|http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0764543857/qid=1107306865/sr=8-2/ref=pd_bbs_2/102-2959288-0102521?v=glance&s=books&n=507846|reading].
For my money, Rod Johnson is pretty much the most objective writer on J2EE out there.
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Post #192,546
2/1/05 8:49:09 PM
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Time to hit the library
Hope they have it in. They tend to be about a year behind on Java, and that's a 2003. Interesting thing I found while looking around for used copies of it. In [link|http://www.theserverside.com/articles/article.tss?l=RodJohnsonInterview|this interview] the author says: Some of the most important parts of the framework used in the book aren't available in existing projects. For example, the JavaBeans packages are more sophisticated than existing equivalents such as the Apache BeanUtils that came from Struts. I would have loved to find a similar JDBC abstraction layer but I couldn't. I'm currently downloading the db framework you pointed me at, but it looks like for some reason jdbc frameworks seem to be lagging a lot of other pieces.
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Post #192,547
2/1/05 8:56:43 PM
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That's an old interview.
What you want is the [link|http://www.springframework.org|Spring framework], which is basically everything Rod talks about in his book as an actual project, and then some.
We're using it at work and it's a beaut as far as Java frameworks go. JDBC made sane, EJB-like stuff without EJB headaches, etc.
Regards,
-scott anderson
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Post #192,561
2/1/05 10:47:02 PM
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Gold mine
[link|http://www.theserverside.com/articles/article.tss?l=SpringFramework|This] and even moreso [link|http://www.springframework.org/docs/MVC-step-by-step/Spring-MVC-step-by-step.html|this] are what I was looking for.
Peter, check them out.
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Post #192,830
2/3/05 10:19:28 AM
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Moochos grassy arse
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Post #192,548
2/1/05 8:57:37 PM
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Several copies of Rod's book around here.
It's useful for defusing "I read about this nifty J2EE thinger on the web"-itis.
Regards,
-scott anderson
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Post #193,035
2/4/05 12:24:21 PM
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Q on book.
At your recommendation I bought that book. Then, I changed responsiblities at work (no longer a developer). But I am now responsible for setting up things like Tomcat (and later maybe JBoss) and making sure they're always online. I'm reading up on Tomcat 5 right now (Professional Tomcat 5 by wrox) and I have it running (my still remaining trick is to get an iSeries "Webfacing" app running on it - along with a list of other stuff that has to be fixed). From strictly an admin's POV, would I be better off to go through Rod's book first or, realizing that I will likely never actually write a Java app, would you recommend any other book(s)?
TIA.
bcnu, Mikem
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Post #193,042
2/4/05 12:58:13 PM
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Rod's book isn't for administrators
Although you're likely to find some material of use, you're better off finding a Tomcat-specific book like you have.
If you anticipate getting into arguments with developers about the Right Way to Do Things, then his book would probably be useful from the standpoint of understanding what's going on and how things should be architected.
Check the contents to see if there aren't a few deployment chapters at the end or what not, though. I don't have my copy handy.
Regards,
-scott anderson
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Post #193,061
2/4/05 3:25:24 PM
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Ok, thanks.
bcnu, Mikem
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