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by pwhysall
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1/29/05 8:18:31 PM
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New That's an oddly visceral response.
I'm not sure I buy the idea that because he wrote a library that some people don't like, everything he possibly has to say on the subject of Java is null and void.

Anyway, wossisface Gosling who invented Java seems to like it, right enough.

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Post #192,246
by tuberculosis
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1/30/05 1:53:36 AM
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New Symptomatic of general J-headed attitude
Please, lets not learn anything from anybody else. This is all so wonderfully new and shiny and we made it all up by ourselves with our eyes closed and nobody could possibly know more than we do even though we're getting it wrong pretty often and we've set general programming back 10 years with all of our shite.

"Anyway, wossisface Gosling who invented Java seems to like it, right enough."

case rest.

I went to a talk yesterday - some wanker going on and on about AsspectJ and how it simplifies this and adds that and isn't it all magic its the new OO going to be the wave of the future. Nevermind that it doesn't work with dynamic invocation (via reflection) or that it suddenly confounds all the debuggers that we just got working reliably after years and years of printout based debugging.

Its taken a million J-monkeys something like 5 years just to make aspects work reasonably seamlessly. On squeak guy took a look at it and hacked out AspectS in a weekend. Just to see if it would be helpful. I don't think anybody's bothered to use it but there it is - a simple api on top of the meta object protocol to do the aspect "weaving". Turns out that its hardly worth building a whole facility for it when you can write a couple thingies in a few minutes to do the same thing.



"Whenever you find you are on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect"   --Mark Twain

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     When does a java constructor execute? - (drewk) - (56) - Jan. 28, 2005, 03:47:08 PM EST
         When you say 'new' - (tuberculosis) - (41) - Jan. 28, 2005, 05:08:09 PM EST
             Word from the IGM on ziwt says ... I was wrong - (drewk) - (40) - Jan. 28, 2005, 05:14:22 PM EST
                 I think you've got it - (tuberculosis) - (11) - Jan. 28, 2005, 05:37:00 PM EST
                     Would be nice to say that in the docs - (drewk) - (10) - Jan. 28, 2005, 06:11:29 PM EST
                         That's missing for most languages - (tuberculosis) - (6) - Jan. 29, 2005, 02:20:36 AM EST
                             Like Drew, I'm trying to teach myself Java. - (pwhysall) - (5) - Jan. 29, 2005, 04:09:20 PM EST
                                 "Effective Java" => oxymoron :-) -NT - (ChrisR) - (1) - Jan. 29, 2005, 05:30:47 PM EST
                                     "Microsoft Works" -NT - (drewk) - Jan. 29, 2005, 05:36:57 PM EST
                                 What would he know about it? - (tuberculosis) - (2) - Jan. 29, 2005, 08:10:59 PM EST
                                     That's an oddly visceral response. - (pwhysall) - (1) - Jan. 29, 2005, 08:18:31 PM EST
                                         Symptomatic of general J-headed attitude - (tuberculosis) - Jan. 30, 2005, 01:53:36 AM EST
                         Re: Would be nice to say that in the docs - (Arkadiy) - (2) - Jan. 29, 2005, 02:05:49 PM EST
                             That's it exactly - (drewk) - Jan. 29, 2005, 04:25:26 PM EST
                             I'd give up on Morphic - (tuberculosis) - Jan. 29, 2005, 08:16:16 PM EST
                 Now I'm getting frustrated (again) - (drewk) - (27) - Jan. 29, 2005, 05:03:28 PM EST
                     Re: Now I'm getting frustrated (again) - (admin) - (1) - Jan. 29, 2005, 07:11:02 PM EST
                         Badness - (jake123) - Jan. 29, 2005, 07:49:26 PM EST
                     Servlets and business logic - (warmachine) - (22) - Jan. 29, 2005, 07:12:42 PM EST
                         So is this example stupid? - (drewk) - (21) - Jan. 30, 2005, 11:48:02 PM EST
                             Hell, yeah! - (warmachine) - (1) - Jan. 31, 2005, 07:05:16 PM EST
                                 Re: Hell, yeah! - (admin) - Jan. 31, 2005, 08:00:58 PM EST
                             Way stupid - (tuberculosis) - (18) - Jan. 31, 2005, 08:25:16 PM EST
                                 Trying to learn The Right Way[tm] - (drewk) - (17) - Jan. 31, 2005, 11:14:41 PM EST
                                     No such way - (tuberculosis) - (16) - Jan. 31, 2005, 11:45:54 PM EST
                                         I need to write a small app like it's a big one - (drewk) - (15) - Feb. 1, 2005, 12:27:48 AM EST
                                             Huh, most people are trying to figure out the opposite - (tuberculosis) - Feb. 1, 2005, 04:18:18 AM EST
                                             This is classic - (ben_tilly) - (13) - Feb. 1, 2005, 02:07:20 PM EST
                                                 Um, ... - (mmoffitt) - (1) - Feb. 1, 2005, 03:51:29 PM EST
                                                     No. Exceptions exist. But generally, yes. -NT - (ben_tilly) - Feb. 1, 2005, 03:59:27 PM EST
                                                 Not exactly - (drewk) - (10) - Feb. 1, 2005, 05:29:27 PM EST
                                                     Good luck - (ben_tilly) - Feb. 1, 2005, 08:08:22 PM EST
                                                     Ah - so that's what you're trying to do - (tuberculosis) - (8) - Feb. 1, 2005, 08:20:00 PM EST
                                                         Time to hit the library - (drewk) - (3) - Feb. 1, 2005, 08:49:09 PM EST
                                                             That's an old interview. - (admin) - (2) - Feb. 1, 2005, 08:56:43 PM EST
                                                                 Gold mine - (drewk) - (1) - Feb. 1, 2005, 10:47:02 PM EST
                                                                     Moochos grassy arse -NT - (pwhysall) - Feb. 3, 2005, 10:19:28 AM EST
                                                         Several copies of Rod's book around here. - (admin) - (3) - Feb. 1, 2005, 08:57:37 PM EST
                                                             Q on book. - (mmoffitt) - (2) - Feb. 4, 2005, 12:24:21 PM EST
                                                                 Rod's book isn't for administrators - (admin) - (1) - Feb. 4, 2005, 12:58:13 PM EST
                                                                     Ok, thanks. -NT - (mmoffitt) - Feb. 4, 2005, 03:25:24 PM EST
                     That's not what they are saying - (tuberculosis) - (1) - Jan. 29, 2005, 08:22:52 PM EST
                         Servlets and page scoped variables. - (warmachine) - Jan. 30, 2005, 07:10:08 AM EST
         Re: When does a java constructor execute? - (dshellman) - (13) - Feb. 1, 2005, 09:24:50 AM EST
             There is a certain amount of value... - (admin) - (1) - Feb. 1, 2005, 09:29:09 AM EST
                 I already know that - (drewk) - Feb. 1, 2005, 05:32:59 PM EST
             s/Tomcat/Jetty/ - (tuberculosis) - (10) - Feb. 1, 2005, 12:23:31 PM EST
                 Based on what? - (admin) - (9) - Feb. 1, 2005, 12:55:12 PM EST
                     Personal experience - (tuberculosis) - (8) - Feb. 1, 2005, 01:32:10 PM EST
                         A couple of years back, sure. - (admin) - (7) - Feb. 1, 2005, 04:49:46 PM EST
                             Oh Tomcat 5 - (tuberculosis) - (6) - Feb. 1, 2005, 04:57:38 PM EST
                                 Reminds me of Spolsky's piece on Netscape - (FuManChu) - (5) - Feb. 1, 2005, 11:18:51 PM EST
                                     And I remember disagreeing with it the first time - (ben_tilly) - (4) - Feb. 2, 2005, 01:45:57 AM EST
                                         Makes sense to me. - (Another Scott) - (1) - Feb. 2, 2005, 07:55:37 AM EST
                                             Know what you mean - (tuberculosis) - Feb. 2, 2005, 12:05:04 PM EST
                                         It's a threshold thing - (ChrisR) - (1) - Feb. 2, 2005, 12:22:46 PM EST
                                             And that point is completely true - (ben_tilly) - Feb. 2, 2005, 08:58:01 PM EST

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