I think he's deluding himself.

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Post #192,047

by static

1/27/05 10:29:27 PM

I think he's deluding himself.

What are "real" languages? How long is a piece of string? What does red look like? He should stop trying to make PHP like what it ain't and take advantage of the way it does do things.

Wade.

Is it enough to love
Is it enough to breathe
Somebody rip my heart out
And leave me here to bleed

Is it enough to die
Somebody save my life
I'd rather be Anything but Ordinary
Please

-- "Anything but Ordinary" by Avril Lavigne.

Post #192,048

by drewk

1/27/05 10:30:50 PM

No doubt

But I'd like to have a list of other languages that also do it.

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Post #192,052

by static

1/27/05 11:20:17 PM

An anti-example.

Unicon does declarations in it's classes a different way to most other languages, so initialization *has* to be done in the constructor. But it also does the constructor different, anyway.

Wade.

Is it enough to love
Is it enough to breathe
Somebody rip my heart out
And leave me here to bleed

Is it enough to die
Somebody save my life
I'd rather be Anything but Ordinary
Please

-- "Anything but Ordinary" by Avril Lavigne.

Post #192,103

by jake123

1/28/05 12:25:48 PM

There are plenty

Just because he doesn't know they're there doesn't mean they don't exist.

Didn't he learn about variable scope in school? If the languages he works in don't permit variables to span across the block represented by a class, they're the languages that aren't real languages, imho.

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What makes a "real" programming language? - (drewk) - (20) - Jan. 27, 2005, 10:10:34 PM EST

I think he's deluding himself. - (static) - (3) - Jan. 27, 2005, 10:29:27 PM EST

No doubt - (drewk) - (2) - Jan. 27, 2005, 10:30:50 PM EST

An anti-example. - (static) - Jan. 27, 2005, 11:20:17 PM EST

There are plenty - (jake123) - Jan. 28, 2005, 12:25:48 PM EST

You can do that in C# -NT - (altmann) - (1) - Jan. 27, 2005, 10:40:36 PM EST

Perfect :-D -NT - (drewk) - Jan. 27, 2005, 10:42:26 PM EST

That programmer is an idiot - (ben_tilly) - Jan. 27, 2005, 11:27:36 PM EST

You can do that in just about any modern language. - (admin) - (1) - Jan. 27, 2005, 11:52:47 PM EST

No invasion fleet, please! Just nuke it from orbit. -NT - (CRConrad) - Jan. 28, 2005, 03:18:42 AM EST

Fuel on the fire - (FuManChu) - (6) - Jan. 28, 2005, 01:14:08 AM EST

Hey, that's neat! - (static) - (2) - Jan. 30, 2005, 08:32:38 PM EST

It does make extensibility a snap. - (FuManChu) - (1) - Jan. 31, 2005, 02:24:51 AM EST

He was very much in love with doing things "correctly". - (static) - Jan. 31, 2005, 08:02:04 PM EST

Seems surprisingly like javascript - (tuberculosis) - (2) - Jan. 31, 2005, 08:28:48 PM EST

I kinda like JavaScript. - (static) - Jan. 31, 2005, 09:11:18 PM EST

Yup; the name binding and scopes are very similar -NT - (FuManChu) - Jan. 31, 2005, 10:36:00 PM EST

Well, since C often does "declaration only at first use"... - (CRConrad) - Jan. 28, 2005, 03:17:04 AM EST

Counter example - (tuberculosis) - (1) - Jan. 28, 2005, 04:25:00 AM EST

Great suggestion; seconded! -NT - (CRConrad) - Jan. 28, 2005, 08:02:46 AM EST

Sounds like a language holywar brewing over there - (tablizer) - Jan. 28, 2005, 07:16:32 PM EST

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