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New If you're thinking about 802.11g, Netgear has rebates now.
I just ordered [link|http://www.netgear.com/products/details/WG602.php|WG602] and a [link|http://www.netgear.com/products/details/WGU624.php|WGU624] from NewEgg to replace my existing Linksys 802.11b WAP/Router/Switch and D-Link 802.11b Bridge. The Netgear parts are raved about on NewEgg and their Ethernet stuff seems popular at work. We'll see how it goes.

Netgear has a rebate promotion running through January for purchases at NewEgg and several other retailers for some of their 802.11g parts. The form is [link|http://65.119.30.151/UploadFilesForNewegg/rebate/SH/NetgearJanuaryRebateJan3105rl12.pdf|here] (.pdf). If you're thinking about 802.11g, it be prudent to consider a purchase before the end of the month.

I'm going to G to prepare for a KnoppMyth box (802.11b doesn't have the bandwidth needed for many MythTV applications), and to have a faster network. :-) I ordered a couple of Hauppauge PVR 350 cards, 1 GB of PC2100, a 160 GB drive, and a $70 nVidia FX5500 video card too... (Ouch!)

802.11n is in too much flux now for me to consider Belkin's pre-802.11n parts. (And I don't like Belkin much anyway).

I'll report back when things are up and running...

Cheers,
Scott.
New Peter had issues with the WGT624
I dunno how much of a difference that one letter makes.

[link|/forums/render/content/show?contentid=188470|Post #188470]
Regards,

-scott anderson

"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
New Ack!
I looked for "802.11g" here and remembered Peter's comments about getting a Buffalo, but I thought his was a "b" part.

I'll see how it goes. :-/

Thanks.

[edit:] The firmware updates seem to be substantially different from Peter's. Fingers crossed...

Cheers,
Scott.
Expand Edited by Another Scott Jan. 21, 2005, 12:56:15 PM EST
New Seems like a good place to ask this
I want to get a wireless setup at home. Got a desktop system upstairs hooked to a DSL modem. Got an old laptop I want to be able to use downstairs. Laptop can take PCMCIA. I'm thinking wireless hub/router that also has a jack for the desktop to plug in to. Hardware recommendations?



Don't know if it matters, but the laptop will be Linux only, the desktop dual boots, but is generally Linux with WXP under VMWare.


F'rinstance, is [link|http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=44997&item=5744918121&rd=1|this] or [link|http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=71501&item=5744584966&rd=1|this] a good deal?
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Expand Edited by drewk Jan. 21, 2005, 10:48:49 AM EST
New Buffalo floats my boat at the moment.
[link|http://www.buffalotech.com/products/product-detail.php?productid=11&categoryid=6|http://www.buffalote...d=11&categoryid=6]


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New So what's the diff between $65 routers and $25 routers?
Is it the difference between 802.11g and 80211.b? I don't know which I should be looking for. One consideration is that all I'll be doing with the laptop is terminal sessions and one browser to the local webserver for development testing, so I don't need the highest bandwidth. Another is that the laptop is a PII-233 with 64M and a 2G hard drive ... yes you read that right. So I wouldn't do a lot of surfing with it even if I had the bandwidth.
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New But others...
could get on your network when they are around and have a laptop.

Then you'd be even slower. Yay for 128Bps DSL subscriber lines ( yeah I know- >:)
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New I'd be nervous about buying used WiFi stuff on eBay.
It may be fine, but it might not. Unless you're willing to buy something, spend a few days debugging it, and ultimately throw it out, it might be better to buy new. I wouldn't get the AT&T thing on eBay - "all sales final" - even though it's new. AFAIK, AT&T isn't known for 802.11 parts. The Linksys thing seems to have been a little pricey to me for "display" 802.11b parts (even though it came with the PCMCIA card).

At the moment I've got a Linksys 802.11b WAP, a D-Link 704P Ethernet router/switch/firewall/DHCP server, then about 30 feet away I've got a D-Link 802.11b wireless bridge which connects to another D-Link switch. I've got a Motorola cablemodem. (Use the Site Search to find the model numbers - I'm too lazy at the moment).

When everything works, it's great. It works with my T41 laptop and my wife's Ti Powerbook G4. But it seems like I need to unplug the cablemodem and turn off the 704P and the WAP to clear out whatever problem they have (symptoms: very slow response to web sites, slow FTP, slow connection to e-mail). After the power cycle, things generally work well for another day or so or more.

A few months ago I thought that updating the firmware solved the problems, and it did help, but something is still going on.

802.11G is faster than B (54 Mb/s vs 11 Mb/s). You likely need G (or A, or 100BaseT or faster) if you want to use MythTV over the [link|http://www.mythtv.org/docs/mythtv-HOWTO-21.html#ss21.17|network].

G is newer, can talk to B devices, and often claims to have longer range, etc. There are differences in the security options, WEP bitness, Firewall options, DHCP options, etc., etc. that can account for the price differences between various boxes. Brand has a big impact on the price too. I'll bet most of the consumer grade stuff uses chips from a handful of manufacturers with slightly different drivers (rather like graphics cards). By now G parts probably should be newer than B parts and should have more of the bugs worked out - but there are not guarantees (as we know from Peter's experience).

All of this wireless stuff seems to be a crapshoot at the moment. You can have people say the same item is perfect or crap. Apparently it can be especially bad if your neighbors are also using wireless stuff (as there are only a few available channels).

If my recently purchased G parts work out, I might have some B stuff available for a very reasonable price in the next week or two. (I don't have a PCMCIA card, but if your laptop has an Ethernet port all you need is a CAT5 cable to connect to the bridge. You really only need the card if you want full portability.) I'll keep you in mind. :-)

Bottom line: If you're not sure you need G and are just starting out, getting hand-me-down B stuff might make the most sense. Don't spend a lot on it as G parts are getting fairly cheap.

HTH.

Cheers,
Scott.
New Whyzat?
Just factory-reset the thing, re-flash the firmware, and you're good.

The Buffalo is a G unit and works a treat, even if it is slightly less featureful than Netgear's buggy POS.


Peter
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New Why?
Why be nervous you mean? Well just because that's the way I am. :-p

1) You don't know why the person is selling the thingy.
This is almost always true, of course.

2) You don't know whether it works properly.
Even if it's one that has a great reputation, maybe that particular one is a lemon. Maybe they've already tried the reset/firmware thingy without success.

3) If you have problems with it, getting satisfaction will likely take much longer than returning a new one to a store.
There's the usual eBay hassle if you're impatient: You wait for the auction to end, you win the auction, you wait for the seller to respond to your payment, you wait for the seller to ship the item, you wait for it to be delivered, you spend an hour or few setting it up and testing it. If it's crap, you contact the seller and wait for him/her to respond. You return it to him/her and wait to be credited. Or maybe you'll be lucky and it'll be under warranty except you don't have the original purchase receipt or warranty card to prove it. "No warranty for You!" :-(

Or you decide not to put up with the aggravation and throw it away.


Seriously, wireless can be flakey even with good boxes. IIRC, your Netgear thingy worked fine except for a few sites with strange (or maybe, unusual) proxies. (I agree 100% that the router shouldn't care and shouldn't crash based on things like that.) Remember what Greg said about your [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=188484|Buffalo]?

I've bought used IBM keyboards, a couple of used cell phones, and lots of non-electronic stuff on eBay and have almost always been very happy. I wouldn't buy 802.11 boxes there just yet though.

But that's just me. :-)

Have you found a sucker^wnoobie^wcolleague willing to take it off your hands yet? ;-)

Cheers,
Scott.
New Sounds good to me
I don't need complete portability as much as I just don't want to cut into plaster walls and cielings to run cat5 downstairs. And there's no way the laptop would even run MythTV. Let me know when/if you upgrade.
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New Tell me more.
My recently purchased Netgear WG602v3 802.11g WAP/bridge (discussed [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=193157|here] ) is going to be going back to newegg (even though I'll take a 15% hit on the return). (Netgear has not bothered to respond to my inquiry thus far). The only question is whether the Netgear WGU624 802.11g/a Router/switch is going to go back with it. It seems that the WGU624 needs to be power-cycled every few hours (2-3 times a day it seems) to regain a connection. While my old 802.11b parts needed that sometimes - maybe twice a week or so, this is more often than I'm willing to tolerate.

There aren't any other 802.11 networks that my Thinkpad can detect, so interference from neighbors shouldn't be an issue. We don't have any 2 GHz or 5 GHz phones (we use 900 MHz wireless phones to minimize interference with the 802.11 network), so that can't be the reason either. I don't think our Sharp microwave is causing problems. In short, I think the Netgear parts just aren't meeting my expectations for how well this stuff should work.

Is your Buffalo still treating you well? Can it do 128-bit WEP? How often do you need to reset it? How's the speed and range? Are you using it with a wireless bridge? Any pointers?

I'll try one more time to get some 802.11g parts working, but after that I'll probably run some CAT5 cables in the basement and "suffer" with 802.11b for a while. :-( (Sorry this is taking so long Drew.)

Thanks a bunch!

[edit:] I just got an e-mail back from Netgear.

I understand the concern and appreciate the oppurtunity to assist you . WG602v3 ca not make a wireless bridge with the router . This feature is not supported .

I hope this will resolve the issue if you have any further issues please revert back.


That confirms it will be "revert"ing back to newegg.

Cheers,
Scott.
Expand Edited by Another Scott Feb. 8, 2005, 07:56:44 AM EST
New Buff Stuff
Answers to questions in no particular order:

  • It's been up since I bought it, unattended.

  • It can do 128-bit WEP, and WPA.

  • If you've got Windows clients, it's even easier; you run a little client program, press a button on the router, and it automatically sets up a secure connection.

  • Speed and range seem to be dandy. SWMBO is regularly interwebbing from the dormer, which is two floors above the router. She'd not be slow to complain if it was problematic, too. I'm running all clients in 54g mode.

I concur on Netgear's wireless stuff; well-specified products, poorly engineered.


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New Thanks a bunch. It goes to the top of the list. :-)
     If you're thinking about 802.11g, Netgear has rebates now. - (Another Scott) - (13)
         Peter had issues with the WGT624 - (admin) - (1)
             Ack! - (Another Scott)
         Seems like a good place to ask this - (drewk) - (10)
             Buffalo floats my boat at the moment. - (pwhysall) - (9)
                 So what's the diff between $65 routers and $25 routers? - (drewk) - (5)
                     But others... - (folkert)
                     I'd be nervous about buying used WiFi stuff on eBay. - (Another Scott) - (3)
                         Whyzat? - (pwhysall) - (1)
                             Why? - (Another Scott)
                         Sounds good to me - (drewk)
                 Tell me more. - (Another Scott) - (2)
                     Buff Stuff - (pwhysall) - (1)
                         Thanks a bunch. It goes to the top of the list. :-) -NT - (Another Scott)

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