Re: I keep make-kpkg'ing but no kernel-image

New install. Dell Poweredge SC1420. (2) 250 GB SATA's. Added an IDE we had sitting around so I could install--I just plan to use the SATAs for data (rsync masters). I don't really need the RAID, it would be a bonus.

The box is getting set up here on the LAN, and then will go to our hotsite to run headless and forgotten (except for the daily cron'ed rsyncs) until it enters hardware failure heaven.

Got woody 3.0r3 on CD. Did minimal install (which recognizes the PCI IDE drive onto which I'm installing). Following your linked directions, I grabbed the 2.4.19 kernel and installed it. Everything works fine now until reboot, at which point the IDE is no longer found, and kernel panic ensues (which is really annoying, because I can't even scroll up the freakin console to see boot messages. Grr).

Break into the boot and load LinuxOLD in LILO. Not sure where to go from here--I'll check my menuconfig, but I'm pretty sure it's got the idepci mod. Hmmm...

You should use a newer sorce-pkg from Debian...

like [link|http://packages.debian.org/testing/source/kernel-source-2.4.27|Testing's 2.4.27-6 Kernel Source] and do the build with that, therefore giving you what you probably need. Also, load the config from the kernel that was running if you are going to build that way you can catch all the new stuff available in the new kernel. it'll be like /boot/config-2.4.18-11-686 or something similar.

Or since Sarge is Close... install using the new D-I and the Linux26 option.

Either [link|http://gluck.debian.org/cdimage/testing/sarge_d-i/i386/current/|Current Daily Build of D-I]
Or [link|http://gluck.debian.org/cdimage/testing/sarge_d-i/i386/rc2/|the RC2 of D-I]

Boot with the Linux26 option and install a testing/Sarge system

In your /etc/apt/sources.list don't use "testing" use "sarge" that way it will automagically transition to Stable v3.1 when it happens.

I'd suggest installing a kernel-image-2.6 which will keep you upto date on kernels.

I think you'll be amazed Bob. I believe this is best bet. Knight (the box that has z on it) has been on Sarge since it's inception.

And the problems I've had have resulted from me not "checking" myself afterwards.

Post #189,825 by pwhysall 1/11/05 5:22:29 PM Reply	Re: I keep make-kpkg'ing but no kernel-image make-kpkg --kernel-image --modules-image You're make-ing but not compiling anything. Re-read the docs. The two switches above ("-image") are what do the magic. Peter [link\|http://www.ubuntulinux.org\|Ubuntu Linux] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #189,826 by FuManChu 1/11/05 5:35:14 PM Reply	Not that way on my system ;) "kernel_image" is a target, not a switch, so it doesn't use -- :(
Post #189,832 by pwhysall 1/11/05 5:50:22 PM Reply	doh! You're right. No targets = no debs. However, the debs turn up in /usr/src. It's worth remembering that the stock kernels do pretty much everything you need - mind if I ask why you're making your own kernels? Peter [link\|http://www.ubuntulinux.org\|Ubuntu Linux] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #189,839 by FuManChu 1/11/05 6:13:07 PM Reply	2 SATA drives in the new Dell Poweredge
Post #189,847 by folkert 1/11/05 6:44:57 PM Reply	What controllers? -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* [link\|http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=134485&cid=11233230\|"Microsoft Security" is an even better oxymoron than "Miltary Intelligence"] No matter how much Microsoft supporters whine about how Linux and other operating systems have just as many bugs as their operating systems do, the bottom line is that the serious, gut-wrenching problems happen on Windows, not on Linux, not on Mac OS. -- [link\|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1622086,00.asp\|source]
Post #189,860 by FuManChu 1/11/05 7:08:22 PM Reply	CERC SATA 2s (RAID)
Post #189,865 by folkert 1/11/05 7:27:48 PM Reply	Sarge Woody What??? I wanna know exactly what you are doing. Just a kernel Upgrade? or a new install? -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* [link\|http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=134485&cid=11233230\|"Microsoft Security" is an even better oxymoron than "Miltary Intelligence"] No matter how much Microsoft supporters whine about how Linux and other operating systems have just as many bugs as their operating systems do, the bottom line is that the serious, gut-wrenching problems happen on Windows, not on Linux, not on Mac OS. -- [link\|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1622086,00.asp\|source]
Post #189,869 by FuManChu 1/11/05 7:57:17 PM Reply	Oooooooh, okay. Thought you were just curious in bits. New install. Dell Poweredge SC1420. (2) 250 GB SATA's. Added an IDE we had sitting around so I could install--I just plan to use the SATAs for data (rsync masters). I don't really need the RAID, it would be a bonus. The box is getting set up here on the LAN, and then will go to our hotsite to run headless and forgotten (except for the daily cron'ed rsyncs) until it enters hardware failure heaven. Got woody 3.0r3 on CD. Did minimal install (which recognizes the PCI IDE drive onto which I'm installing). Following your linked directions, I grabbed the 2.4.19 kernel and installed it. Everything works fine now until reboot, at which point the IDE is no longer found, and kernel panic ensues (which is really annoying, because I can't even scroll up the freakin console to see boot messages. Grr). Break into the boot and load LinuxOLD in LILO. Not sure where to go from here--I'll check my menuconfig, but I'm pretty sure it's got the idepci mod. Hmmm...
Post #189,871 by folkert 1/11/05 8:31:38 PM Reply	Hehehe... You should use a newer sorce-pkg from Debian... like [link\|http://packages.debian.org/testing/source/kernel-source-2.4.27\|Testing's 2.4.27-6 Kernel Source] and do the build with that, therefore giving you what you probably need. Also, load the config from the kernel that was running if you are going to build that way you can catch all the new stuff available in the new kernel. it'll be like /boot/config-2.4.18-11-686 or something similar. Or since Sarge is Close... install using the new D-I and the Linux26 option. Either [link\|http://gluck.debian.org/cdimage/testing/sarge_d-i/i386/current/\|Current Daily Build of D-I] Or [link\|http://gluck.debian.org/cdimage/testing/sarge_d-i/i386/rc2/\|the RC2 of D-I] Boot with the Linux26 option and install a testing/Sarge system In your /etc/apt/sources.list don't use "testing" use "sarge" that way it will automagically transition to Stable v3.1 when it happens. I'd suggest installing a kernel-image-2.6 which will keep you upto date on kernels. I think you'll be amazed Bob. I believe this is best bet. Knight (the box that has z on it) has been on Sarge since it's inception. And the problems I've had have resulted from me not "checking" myself afterwards. -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* [link\|http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=134485&cid=11233230\|"Microsoft Security" is an even better oxymoron than "Miltary Intelligence"] No matter how much Microsoft supporters whine about how Linux and other operating systems have just as many bugs as their operating systems do, the bottom line is that the serious, gut-wrenching problems happen on Windows, not on Linux, not on Mac OS. -- [link\|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1622086,00.asp\|source]
Post #189,891 by FuManChu 1/12/05 2:01:47 AM Reply	I actually did 2.6.8 first ...and then fell back to 2.4 after a day's worth of frustration, figuring 2.6 was too bleeding edge for Debian. :) Thanks for the advice. I'll give it another go in the morning with d-i (="debian installer"? [link\|http://www.debian.org/devel/debian-installer/\|http://www.debian.or...debian-installer/] I guess. I'm not a sysadmin anymore*). When I did the 2.6 image, I loaded the old config first and still* had the issue. Guess I won't turn anything off this time. * ignore when I was blathering on before about "PCI". I just got linguistically silly after a while. It's a normal Western Digital IDE. ** Meaning also: this isn't my only project this week. I've also got to roll out a new version of my business app, and crack down on spam (again). Oh, and start on rebuilding the VPN (which will also need 2.6) So how close is Sarge? Is there an ETA?
Post #189,892 by pwhysall 1/12/05 2:03:49 AM Reply	If you can't wait for Sarge... ...go for Ubuntu. ([link\|http://www.ubuntu.com\|http://www.ubuntu.com]) And there's an ETA for Sarge, all right. "When it's ready". Ubuntu has a six-month release cycle. Peter [link\|http://www.ubuntulinux.org\|Ubuntu Linux] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #189,894 by FuManChu 1/12/05 2:10:59 AM Reply	I'll consider it But Ubuntu seems targeted at a completely different audience. I just want a headless box with rsync, ssh, and huge disks.
Post #189,906 by pwhysall 1/12/05 7:04:58 AM Reply	Wrong. I use it on my server. There's nothing wrong with a server distro having great hardware detection and a decent installer. Remember, Ubuntu is Debian. You can do what you wish with it and X is not a required component of the installation. Peter [link\|http://www.ubuntulinux.org\|Ubuntu Linux] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #189,951 by FuManChu 1/12/05 3:39:44 PM Reply	Progress udpate: 1. D-I worked fantastically so far. 2.6 saw my SATA drives; I made everything ext3 and finished the install. 2. Seems my Dell has issues with the Real Time Clock (hangs)--disabled ACPI (in grub) and that's now fixed. 3. fdisk sees my SATA's (sda1, sdb1) but fstab won't mount them on boot--fsck fails on them for some reason. So I'm reformatting them now while I watch Simpsons Season 5 :) Thanks, Greg! j00 teh rawk!
Post #189,952 by folkert 1/12/05 3:51:35 PM 1/12/05 3:53:08 PM Reply	You might have to... add the modules to /etc/modprobe.d/<sumthing> in order for it to work but you get away with installing; udev and hald and hotplug and discover1-data[1] Don't forget to use sarge vs testing in your /etc/apt/sources.list And ACPI for a Server? Gah what will M$ think of next to shove down our throats... oh yeah DRM in the Hardware. [1] == Yes, I know they sound like user-domain tools... but there are server side components as well and these are in those packages as well. -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* [link\|http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=134485&cid=11233230\|"Microsoft Security" is an even better oxymoron than "Miltary Intelligence"] No matter how much Microsoft supporters whine about how Linux and other operating systems have just as many bugs as their operating systems do, the bottom line is that the serious, gut-wrenching problems happen on Windows, not on Linux, not on Mac OS. -- [link\|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1622086,00.asp\|source] Edited by folkert Jan. 12, 2005, 03:53:08 PM EST Expand All History
Post #189,954 by FuManChu 1/12/05 4:39:21 PM Reply	ACPI is there (I assume) for hyperthreading
Post #189,958 by pwhysall 1/12/05 4:57:29 PM Reply	/me shakes his head I've got a P4 here that uses hyperthreading just dandy but has pci=noacpi passed on the GRUB commandline. ACPI is the Advanced Control & Power Interface, the successor to APM. You might be thinking of APIC. Peter [link\|http://www.ubuntulinux.org\|Ubuntu Linux] [link\|http://www.kuro5hin.org\|There is no K5 Cabal] [link\|http://guildenstern.dyndns.org\|Home] Use P2P for legitimate purposes!
Post #189,961 by FuManChu 1/12/05 5:14:56 PM Reply	Not thinking, just Googling. The 2 come up together a LOT
Post #189,960 by FuManChu 1/12/05 5:13:48 PM 1/12/05 5:30:28 PM Reply	Looks like fstab gets read before SCSI; how to fix? That is, before the ata_piix module, which sets up sda and sdb Yes, I'm looking for easy answers now rather than researching it all myself. ;) Can I just move /etc/rcS.d/S36discover to a lower number than S30checkfs.sh? Update: tried it and it works! Just want to make sure I'm not breaking anything I don't know about. Edited by FuManChu Jan. 12, 2005, 05:19:58 PM EST Edited by FuManChu Jan. 12, 2005, 05:30:28 PM EST Expand All History
Post #190,016 by folkert 1/12/05 11:39:14 PM Reply	There can be... But you should be okay. I'd figure hardware discovery should comes before filesystem mount attempts. I'd file a Bug. -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* [link\|http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=134485&cid=11233230\|"Microsoft Security" is an even better oxymoron than "Miltary Intelligence"] No matter how much Microsoft supporters whine about how Linux and other operating systems have just as many bugs as their operating systems do, the bottom line is that the serious, gut-wrenching problems happen on Windows, not on Linux, not on Mac OS. -- [link\|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1622086,00.asp\|source]
Post #189,905 by broomberg 1/12/05 6:37:38 AM Reply	I ended up with Fedora to see that card I started with Suse Enterprise 9 - no luck. Cost me about a week and then I saw everyone having the same problem. I put Fedora on it and it saw it fine.

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