Soldiers deserting to Canada

Post #186,485 by tuberculosis 12/8/04 8:51:49 PM 8/21/07 6:35:31 AM Reply	Soldiers deserting to Canada [link\|http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/ArticleNews/TPStory/LAC/20041208/REFUGEE08/TPInternational/Americas\|http://www.theglobea...national/Americas] A former U.S. marine testified yesterday that the U.S. military "murdered" civilians in Iraq and that he pumped 500 rounds of bullets into vehicles that failed to stop at military checkpoints. Jimmy Massey, a former marine staff sergeant, told an immigration and refugee board hearing in Toronto that he and his fellow marines shot and killed more than 30 unarmed men, women and children and even shot a young Iraqi who got out of his car with his arms in the air. "We killed the man. We fired at a cyclic rate of 500 bullets per vehicle," testified Mr. Massey, a marine for 12 years who was honourably discharged last year. "The company gunnery sergeant came running over and began yelling, 'You just shot a guy with his hands up.' " Mr. Massey testified in the refugee claim of U.S. army deserter Jeremy Hinzman, 26, who sought asylum in Canada after his application to be a conscientious objector was rejected. Mr. Hinzman said he did not want to be deployed to Iraq with his 82nd Airborne Division because he feared he would be forced to commit war crimes and atrocities in a conflict he considered illegal. --- Naw, this is nothing like Viet Nam. Stay tuned for when we "Burn the Village". "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein "This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush Edited by tuberculosis Aug. 21, 2007, 06:35:31 AM EDT Expand All History
Post #186,550 by mmoffitt 12/9/04 8:36:46 AM Reply	War is always like Viet Nam. Don't believe the crap about "The Greatest Generation". One of the more illuminating experiences I ever had was when I was going to a community college down in North Carolina circa 1982. A World War II Vet came to speak at the school. He was asked a question that went something like, "Do you think it was the difference in average ages of combat soldiers between WW II and Viet Nam that caused all those atrocities to be commited in Viet Nam that weren't in WW II?" He replied with a story. He said he had been fighting in France when they came to this village. There was a pretty 16 year old girl there that one of our soldiers saw and wanted to rub naughty bits with. He grabbed her by the arm and started to lead her to one of the buildings. But she refused, tore away from his grasp and tried to run away. The soldier cut her in half with bullets. The guy swore this was true (he seemed a very credible character) and that he had personally witnessed it. Further, he claimed that it was not an isolated incident. "Those things happen in war," I remember him saying. Having never been in combat, I am loathe to condemn anyone who has for their actions in what must be hell on earth. But it is fantasy to believe that Viet Nam differed much from any other war wrt the atrocities commited by all sides. The only thing different about Viet Nam was that it was the first time we could see it on teevee. bcnu, Mikem Eine Leute. Eine Welt. Ein F\ufffdhrer. (Just trying to be accepted in the New America)
Post #186,557 by Arkadiy 12/9/04 10:07:37 AM Reply	Presidential candidate material. Vote for this man in 2040 or something. -- This guy's ahead of his time! He's using quantum programming methods: in universes where invalid data is passed to this function, it does not return. Thus you are ensured that you will only have valid data after calling it. Optimally you'd destroy the universe on failure, but computers haven't quite advanced to that level yet. -- [link\|http://thedailywtf.com/archive/2004/10/26/2920.aspx\|The] Daily WTF

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