RH 7.2 (Enigma). Enigma? You're telling me.

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Post #185,475 by tuberculosis 11/29/04 7:30:18 PM 8/21/07 6:08:03 AM Reply	RH 7.2 (Enigma). Enigma? You're telling me. % cat /etc/redhat-release Red Hat Linux release 7.2 (Enigma) "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein "This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush Edited by tuberculosis Aug. 21, 2007, 06:08:03 AM EDT Expand All History
Post #185,480 by folkert 11/29/04 7:47:21 PM Reply	Now you have to wonder. 7.2 is actually quite OLD. August - 2001. Three and a half years old. And, let me ask you, you expect 3 1/2 year old (actually more like 4.5 based on the compiler used to make enigma) to actually just RUN Firefox? Umm, yeah. Okay. I think your judgement of Linux based on Enigma (redhat 7.2) IS NOT TYPICAL today, using a updated Distro. Enigma was the second worst (in bugs, security and just flat out problems) redhat release right behind RedHat 6.1, which was compromisable two weeks before it was released. Try an [link\|http://ftp.cs.umn.edu/pub/ubuntu-releases/.pool/warty-live-i386.iso\|Ubuntu LiveCD] in it. Then make a judgement. Of course you'll have to give a few points for running from CD... as the CD Reader is the biggest holdup there. -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* No matter how much Microsoft supporters whine about how Linux and other operating systems have just as many bugs as their operating systems do, the bottom line is that the serious, gut-wrenching problems happen on Windows, not on Linux, not on Mac OS. -- [link\|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1622086,00.asp\|source] Here is an example: [link\|http://www.greymagic.com/security/advisories/gm001-ie/\|Executing arbitrary commands without Active Scripting or ActiveX when using Windows]
Post #185,482 by tuberculosis 11/29/04 7:59:25 PM 8/21/07 6:08:09 AM Reply	Yes, now I wonder what we are running in production. :-/ "The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them." --Albert Einstein "This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses." --George W. Bush Edited by tuberculosis Aug. 21, 2007, 06:08:09 AM EDT Expand All History
Post #185,490 by altmann 11/29/04 8:28:53 PM Reply	Windows XP was released over 3 years ago :P That said, IMHO the punctuated equilibrium style of OS releases just isn't suited to Linux and OSS. I imagine that's why many of you use Debian. -- Chris Altmann
Post #185,492 by folkert 11/29/04 8:35:01 PM Reply	Indeed, indeed. once a week (for me at the minimum): `dselect update && apt-get -u dist-upgrade` I live dangerously as well. with Experimental as my default. -- [link\|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net\|greg], [link\|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry\|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ *i_wethey* No matter how much Microsoft supporters whine about how Linux and other operating systems have just as many bugs as their operating systems do, the bottom line is that the serious, gut-wrenching problems happen on Windows, not on Linux, not on Mac OS. -- [link\|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1622086,00.asp\|source] Here is an example: [link\|http://www.greymagic.com/security/advisories/gm001-ie/\|Executing arbitrary commands without Active Scripting or ActiveX when using Windows]

Firefox installation - (tuberculosis) - (72) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:06:36 AM EDT

Er, no... - (admin) - (24) - Nov. 29, 2004, 02:55:08 PM EST

No, his point is well taken. - (jake123) - (10) - Nov. 29, 2004, 02:57:36 PM EST

Missed mine. - (admin) - (2) - Nov. 29, 2004, 03:00:25 PM EST

That may very well be - (jake123) - (1) - Nov. 29, 2004, 03:21:23 PM EST

But like I said - (admin) - Nov. 29, 2004, 03:40:14 PM EST

There should be a standard desktop place to get new apps. - (Another Scott) - (6) - Nov. 29, 2004, 03:06:51 PM EST

Very odd. - (admin) - (3) - Nov. 29, 2004, 03:16:54 PM EST

I'll try again and report back. Thanks. -NT - (Another Scott) - (2) - Nov. 29, 2004, 03:17:45 PM EST

Results of trying apt-get for Privoxy on ProMEPIS. - (Another Scott) - (1) - Nov. 29, 2004, 07:32:52 PM EST

apt-get update doesn't do much. - (admin) - Nov. 29, 2004, 09:33:08 PM EST

Check out... - (folkert) - (1) - Nov. 29, 2004, 10:58:13 PM EST

Thanks. I always appreciate your help. -NT - (Another Scott) - Nov. 29, 2004, 11:14:50 PM EST

zsh: command not found: apt-get - (tuberculosis) - (12) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:06:52 AM EDT

apt-get is a Debian thinger. - (Another Scott) - Nov. 29, 2004, 03:52:32 PM EST

That still isn't the point. - (admin) - (9) - Nov. 29, 2004, 04:07:56 PM EST

Does not compute - (tuberculosis) - (8) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:06:59 AM EDT

Hand waving. - (admin) - Nov. 29, 2004, 04:25:45 PM EST

You don't manage the machine. - (folkert) - (6) - Nov. 29, 2004, 05:25:13 PM EST

You guys are all confused - (tuberculosis) - (5) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:08:01 AM EDT

Now, come on Todd. - (folkert) - Nov. 29, 2004, 08:07:43 PM EST

Here's how to get Firefox on RedHat 7.2. - (Another Scott) - (2) - Nov. 29, 2004, 08:25:19 PM EST

Wha??? - (Yendor) - (1) - Nov. 30, 2004, 09:30:46 AM EST

Danke. I looked a bit, but not enough I guess. :-/ -NT - (Another Scott) - Nov. 30, 2004, 09:48:22 AM EST

fink runs fine on my mac? - (daemon) - Nov. 29, 2004, 08:44:27 PM EST

I wondered when the change would happen. -NT - (folkert) - Dec. 16, 2004, 03:40:03 PM EST

Odd. - (imric) - (43) - Nov. 29, 2004, 03:06:01 PM EST

False analogy - (tuberculosis) - (42) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:06:57 AM EDT

On *which* distribution? - (admin) - (21) - Nov. 29, 2004, 04:09:43 PM EST

I don't know - (tuberculosis) - (20) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:07:01 AM EDT

Dunno. - (admin) - (3) - Nov. 29, 2004, 04:29:36 PM EST

Only clue I have is original install uses "disco" - (tuberculosis) - (2) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:07:18 AM EDT

Google says it's RedHat - (admin) - (1) - Nov. 29, 2004, 04:41:55 PM EST

Ha! :-) -NT - (Another Scott) - Nov. 29, 2004, 04:45:07 PM EST

To finger out your release and distro... - (folkert) - (5) - Nov. 29, 2004, 04:59:03 PM EST

RH 7.2 (Enigma). Enigma? You're telling me. - (tuberculosis) - (4) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:08:03 AM EDT

Now you have to wonder. - (folkert) - (3) - Nov. 29, 2004, 07:47:21 PM EST

Yes, now I wonder what we are running - (tuberculosis) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:08:09 AM EDT

Windows XP was released over 3 years ago :P - (altmann) - (1) - Nov. 29, 2004, 08:28:53 PM EST

Indeed, indeed. - (folkert) - Nov. 29, 2004, 08:35:01 PM EST

Doesn't tell you at the login prompt? - (pwhysall) - (9) - Dec. 2, 2004, 11:45:02 AM EST

Really? - (folkert) - (8) - Dec. 2, 2004, 04:50:49 PM EST

You're a primadonna - (pwhysall) - (6) - Dec. 2, 2004, 05:25:40 PM EST

Disagree - (broomberg) - Dec. 2, 2004, 08:05:08 PM EST

Take a CLOSER look. - (folkert) - (4) - Dec. 2, 2004, 11:27:08 PM EST

...which has a custom kernel... - (pwhysall) - (3) - Dec. 2, 2004, 11:34:49 PM EST

Shhhhush. You'll wake the UnixMonster. - (Another Scott) - Dec. 2, 2004, 11:57:24 PM EST

But NONE of mine are -NT - (broomberg) - (1) - Dec. 3, 2004, 06:54:55 AM EST

Fairynuff. - (pwhysall) - Dec. 3, 2004, 07:09:59 AM EST

Debian? - (imric) - Dec. 2, 2004, 06:20:39 PM EST

It is an apt analogy. - (imric) - (19) - Nov. 29, 2004, 04:17:18 PM EST

You're citing 10 year old software - (tuberculosis) - (18) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:07:03 AM EDT

My sister has a non-working install of Quicktime. On OSX. - (imric) - (17) - Nov. 29, 2004, 05:44:49 PM EST

That would be the exceptional case - (tuberculosis) - (6) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:07:13 AM EDT

*grin* see edited post above -NT - (imric) - Nov. 29, 2004, 04:36:10 PM EST

I would like to offer you the same evidence. - (folkert) - (4) - Nov. 29, 2004, 05:39:57 PM EST

Then tell me how to install firefox - (tuberculosis) - (3) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:07:58 AM EDT

Holy Crap. - (folkert) - (2) - Nov. 29, 2004, 08:32:13 PM EST

Looks pretty grim - (tuberculosis) - (1) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:08:16 AM EDT

If they say... - (folkert) - Nov. 29, 2004, 09:59:28 PM EST

Drag & Drop installation - (SpiceWare) - (3) - Nov. 29, 2004, 05:04:04 PM EST

Glad - (imric) - (2) - Nov. 29, 2004, 05:36:55 PM EST

Disk images are easiest - (tuberculosis) - (1) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:08:08 AM EDT

*shrug* -NT - (imric) - Nov. 29, 2004, 10:21:11 PM EST

Answers - (tuberculosis) - (5) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:07:41 AM EDT

Re: Answers - (admin) - (4) - Nov. 29, 2004, 06:40:37 PM EST

Yabut - (tuberculosis) - (3) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:07:54 AM EDT

OLD, OLD, OLD - (folkert) - Nov. 29, 2004, 08:14:39 PM EST

Gah. - (admin) - Nov. 29, 2004, 09:19:12 PM EST

But... - (imric) - Nov. 29, 2004, 10:26:37 PM EST

Uninformed tosh, I'm afraid. - (pwhysall) - (2) - Dec. 2, 2004, 11:42:15 AM EST

I've now read the whole thread. - (pwhysall) - (1) - Dec. 2, 2004, 11:49:44 AM EST

OT: "HEADCRABS!" -NT - (inthane-chan) - Dec. 2, 2004, 07:31:30 PM EST

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