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Post #185,464
by admin
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11/29/04 6:40:37 PM
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If you need some optional package - bundle it in your app, add an installation script to go get it, or have the installer instruct the user to install the required functionality.
Bleah, why would I want to go through that trouble, when I can just say "this depends on X, Y, and Z... let the user decide if they want them automatically installed or not" and the built-in installer takes care of the rest, keeping the entire state of the system in mind for me.
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Post #185,469
by tuberculosis
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11/29/04 7:04:13 PM
8/21/07 6:07:54 AM
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the system requirements on linux seem fragile.

Firefox install failed on a std C library version issue? WTF?

This just never happens on the mac as far as I can see. Most stuff simply drag n drop installs.


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Post #185,485
by folkert
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11/29/04 8:14:39 PM
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New OLD, OLD, OLD
The libc version on Engima was missing them when it was published. The had an update to take care of it.


To get Firefox installed you need to use the statically linked version of firefox against the libc5 versions.

It sucks, but you experience this when trying to install the latest game requiring DirectX v9.0g which is not available for Win98 and never will be. But v9.0c did work... so it isn't just a failing on a standard, it is a failing to keep it up-to-date.

I can drag and drop installs too. I use synaptic for that.
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Post #185,500
by admin
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11/29/04 9:13:14 PM
11/29/04 9:19:12 PM
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New Gah.
Todd. Linux is the KERNEL. You're really talking about "RedHat Linux".

This kind of stuff doesn't happen on Debian either. That's why I said, "bleah". I don't have to worry about that kind of crap.
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Post #185,509
by imric
11/29/04 10:26:37 PM
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New But...
didn't YOU chide ME for bringing up old versions?

*chuckle*
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     Firefox installation - (tuberculosis) - (72) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:06:36 AM EDT
         Er, no... - (admin) - (24) - Nov. 29, 2004, 02:55:08 PM EST
             No, his point is well taken. - (jake123) - (10) - Nov. 29, 2004, 02:57:36 PM EST
                 Missed mine. - (admin) - (2) - Nov. 29, 2004, 03:00:25 PM EST
                     That may very well be - (jake123) - (1) - Nov. 29, 2004, 03:21:23 PM EST
                         But like I said - (admin) - Nov. 29, 2004, 03:40:14 PM EST
                 There should be a standard desktop place to get new apps. - (Another Scott) - (6) - Nov. 29, 2004, 03:06:51 PM EST
                     Very odd. - (admin) - (3) - Nov. 29, 2004, 03:16:54 PM EST
                         I'll try again and report back. Thanks. -NT - (Another Scott) - (2) - Nov. 29, 2004, 03:17:45 PM EST
                             Results of trying apt-get for Privoxy on ProMEPIS. - (Another Scott) - (1) - Nov. 29, 2004, 07:32:52 PM EST
                                 apt-get update doesn't do much. - (admin) - Nov. 29, 2004, 09:33:08 PM EST
                     Check out... - (folkert) - (1) - Nov. 29, 2004, 10:58:13 PM EST
                         Thanks. I always appreciate your help. -NT - (Another Scott) - Nov. 29, 2004, 11:14:50 PM EST
             zsh: command not found: apt-get - (tuberculosis) - (12) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:06:52 AM EDT
                 apt-get is a Debian thinger. - (Another Scott) - Nov. 29, 2004, 03:52:32 PM EST
                 That still isn't the point. - (admin) - (9) - Nov. 29, 2004, 04:07:56 PM EST
                     Does not compute - (tuberculosis) - (8) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:06:59 AM EDT
                         Hand waving. - (admin) - Nov. 29, 2004, 04:25:45 PM EST
                         You don't manage the machine. - (folkert) - (6) - Nov. 29, 2004, 05:25:13 PM EST
                             You guys are all confused - (tuberculosis) - (5) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:08:01 AM EDT
                                 Now, come on Todd. - (folkert) - Nov. 29, 2004, 08:07:43 PM EST
                                 Here's how to get Firefox on RedHat 7.2. - (Another Scott) - (2) - Nov. 29, 2004, 08:25:19 PM EST
                                     Wha??? - (Yendor) - (1) - Nov. 30, 2004, 09:30:46 AM EST
                                         Danke. I looked a bit, but not enough I guess. :-/ -NT - (Another Scott) - Nov. 30, 2004, 09:48:22 AM EST
                                 fink runs fine on my mac? - (daemon) - Nov. 29, 2004, 08:44:27 PM EST
                 I wondered when the change would happen. -NT - (folkert) - Dec. 16, 2004, 03:40:03 PM EST
         Odd. - (imric) - (43) - Nov. 29, 2004, 03:06:01 PM EST
             False analogy - (tuberculosis) - (42) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:06:57 AM EDT
                 On *which* distribution? - (admin) - (21) - Nov. 29, 2004, 04:09:43 PM EST
                     I don't know - (tuberculosis) - (20) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:07:01 AM EDT
                         Dunno. - (admin) - (3) - Nov. 29, 2004, 04:29:36 PM EST
                             Only clue I have is original install uses "disco" - (tuberculosis) - (2) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:07:18 AM EDT
                                 Google says it's RedHat - (admin) - (1) - Nov. 29, 2004, 04:41:55 PM EST
                                     Ha! :-) -NT - (Another Scott) - Nov. 29, 2004, 04:45:07 PM EST
                         To finger out your release and distro... - (folkert) - (5) - Nov. 29, 2004, 04:59:03 PM EST
                             RH 7.2 (Enigma). Enigma? You're telling me. - (tuberculosis) - (4) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:08:03 AM EDT
                                 Now you have to wonder. - (folkert) - (3) - Nov. 29, 2004, 07:47:21 PM EST
                                     Yes, now I wonder what we are running - (tuberculosis) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:08:09 AM EDT
                                     Windows XP was released over 3 years ago :P - (altmann) - (1) - Nov. 29, 2004, 08:28:53 PM EST
                                         Indeed, indeed. - (folkert) - Nov. 29, 2004, 08:35:01 PM EST
                         Doesn't tell you at the login prompt? - (pwhysall) - (9) - Dec. 2, 2004, 11:45:02 AM EST
                             Really? - (folkert) - (8) - Dec. 2, 2004, 04:50:49 PM EST
                                 You're a primadonna - (pwhysall) - (6) - Dec. 2, 2004, 05:25:40 PM EST
                                     Disagree - (broomberg) - Dec. 2, 2004, 08:05:08 PM EST
                                     Take a CLOSER look. - (folkert) - (4) - Dec. 2, 2004, 11:27:08 PM EST
                                         ...which has a custom kernel... - (pwhysall) - (3) - Dec. 2, 2004, 11:34:49 PM EST
                                             Shhhhush. You'll wake the UnixMonster. - (Another Scott) - Dec. 2, 2004, 11:57:24 PM EST
                                             But NONE of mine are -NT - (broomberg) - (1) - Dec. 3, 2004, 06:54:55 AM EST
                                                 Fairynuff. - (pwhysall) - Dec. 3, 2004, 07:09:59 AM EST
                                 Debian? - (imric) - Dec. 2, 2004, 06:20:39 PM EST
                 It is an apt analogy. - (imric) - (19) - Nov. 29, 2004, 04:17:18 PM EST
                     You're citing 10 year old software - (tuberculosis) - (18) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:07:03 AM EDT
                         My sister has a non-working install of Quicktime. On OSX. - (imric) - (17) - Nov. 29, 2004, 05:44:49 PM EST
                             That would be the exceptional case - (tuberculosis) - (6) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:07:13 AM EDT
                                 *grin* see edited post above -NT - (imric) - Nov. 29, 2004, 04:36:10 PM EST
                                 I would like to offer you the same evidence. - (folkert) - (4) - Nov. 29, 2004, 05:39:57 PM EST
                                     Then tell me how to install firefox - (tuberculosis) - (3) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:07:58 AM EDT
                                         Holy Crap. - (folkert) - (2) - Nov. 29, 2004, 08:32:13 PM EST
                                             Looks pretty grim - (tuberculosis) - (1) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:08:16 AM EDT
                                                 If they say... - (folkert) - Nov. 29, 2004, 09:59:28 PM EST
                             Drag & Drop installation - (SpiceWare) - (3) - Nov. 29, 2004, 05:04:04 PM EST
                                 Glad - (imric) - (2) - Nov. 29, 2004, 05:36:55 PM EST
                                     Disk images are easiest - (tuberculosis) - (1) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:08:08 AM EDT
                                         *shrug* -NT - (imric) - Nov. 29, 2004, 10:21:11 PM EST
                             Answers - (tuberculosis) - (5) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:07:41 AM EDT
                                 Re: Answers - (admin) - (4) - Nov. 29, 2004, 06:40:37 PM EST
                                     Yabut - (tuberculosis) - (3) - Aug. 21, 2007, 06:07:54 AM EDT
                                         OLD, OLD, OLD - (folkert) - Nov. 29, 2004, 08:14:39 PM EST
                                         Gah. - (admin) - Nov. 29, 2004, 09:19:12 PM EST
                                         But... - (imric) - Nov. 29, 2004, 10:26:37 PM EST
         Uninformed tosh, I'm afraid. - (pwhysall) - (2) - Dec. 2, 2004, 11:42:15 AM EST
             I've now read the whole thread. - (pwhysall) - (1) - Dec. 2, 2004, 11:49:44 AM EST
                 OT: "HEADCRABS!" -NT - (inthane-chan) - Dec. 2, 2004, 07:31:30 PM EST

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