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New I would like to offer you the same evidence.
My experiences in both OSX and Debian Linux are equivalent on the rate of failure to success. (For me really any Linux variant)

Sure, it took me a while to stop suckling on the command-line teat, but I did do it. But that was a while ago... and the fond memories have faded to a general warm-feeling inside.

It is actually a toss up as to wether or not Windows will work after an installation of said game, or of said Spyware, Adware, OS updates... anything, it all depends on the moon phases and what the tea leaves look like. For those with a sacrifical bent, how many fertile chickens you slaughter and drain the blood from and burn in the fire.

Linux and MAC OSX both have a very robust set of features that can be turned off and on when and how you like. You are just more familiar with MAC by choice, Windows because of the 92% number.

I am more familiar with Linux in General (love that Debian Sid) than I am with MAC OSX, but there again I know Windows because of that 92% number.

So, in effect you are telling me, the reason I don't like MAC OSX is because I don't understand it... I am telling you you don't like Linux because you don't understand it.

Sure, I love Linux as much as you Love OSX, effectively we are both zealots... just to different beholdings.
--
[link|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net|greg],
[link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ iwethey
No matter how much Microsoft supporters whine about how Linux and other operating systems have just as many bugs as their operating systems do, the bottom line is that the serious, gut-wrenching problems happen on Windows, not on Linux, not on Mac OS. -- [link|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1622086,00.asp|source]
Here is an example: [link|http://www.greymagic.com/security/advisories/gm001-ie/|Executing arbitrary commands without Active Scripting or ActiveX when using Windows]
New Then tell me how to install firefox
and I'll shut up.

No I can't install debian - this is a corporate box.



"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them."     --Albert Einstein

"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses."     --George W. Bush
Expand Edited by tuberculosis Nov. 29, 2004, 07:06:34 PM EST
Expand Edited by tuberculosis Aug. 21, 2007, 06:07:58 AM EDT
New Holy Crap.
Look at the [link|http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/system-requirements.html|system requirements]:

Linux


Software Requirements
Please note that Linux distributors may provide packages for your distribution which have different requirements.
  • Linux kernel - 2.2.14 with the following libraries or packages minimums:
    • glibc 2.3.2
    • XFree86-3.3.6
    • gtk+2.0
    • fontconfig (also known as xft)
    • libstdc++5
  • Firefox has been tested on Red Hat Linux 8.0 and later
Minimum Hardware
  • Intel Pentium II or AMD K6-III+ 233 MHz CPU (Recommended: 500MHz or greater)
  • 64 MB RAM (Recommended: 128 MB RAM or greater)
  • 52 MB hard drive space


Seems they don't believe in static linking anymore.

And you'll never get xft/fontconfig on enigma, GTK v2.0 is waaaay newer than what you have on your machine. I'll bet you have gtk v1.2 on that machine.

And, no, I don't care about you putting Debian on it. It would be nice if you could though.

To check to see what version you have try:

rpm -qa | grep -i -e gtk -e glibc -e libstdc -e XFree -e xft -e fontconfig

Bet you find that you are woefully out of date.
--
[link|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net|greg],
[link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ iwethey
No matter how much Microsoft supporters whine about how Linux and other operating systems have just as many bugs as their operating systems do, the bottom line is that the serious, gut-wrenching problems happen on Windows, not on Linux, not on Mac OS. -- [link|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1622086,00.asp|source]
Here is an example: [link|http://www.greymagic.com/security/advisories/gm001-ie/|Executing arbitrary commands without Active Scripting or ActiveX when using Windows]
New Looks pretty grim
only XFree86 is new enough.

I'll have to start digging in the prod group and see what is in production (we need to mirror production - ya know?)



"The significant problems we face cannot be solved at the same level of thinking we were at when we created them."     --Albert Einstein

"This is still a dangerous world. It's a world of madmen and uncertainty and potential mental losses."     --George W. Bush
Expand Edited by tuberculosis Aug. 21, 2007, 06:08:16 AM EDT
New If they say...
Put on whatever you want...

Try the new [link|http://ftp.cs.umn.edu/pub/ubuntu-releases/.pool/warty-install-i386.iso|Ubuntu v4.1 Warty]

I think you will be pleasantly surprised.
--
[link|mailto:greg@gregfolkert.net|greg],
[link|http://www.iwethey.org/ed_curry|REMEMBER ED CURRY!] @ iwethey
No matter how much Microsoft supporters whine about how Linux and other operating systems have just as many bugs as their operating systems do, the bottom line is that the serious, gut-wrenching problems happen on Windows, not on Linux, not on Mac OS. -- [link|http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1622086,00.asp|source]
Here is an example: [link|http://www.greymagic.com/security/advisories/gm001-ie/|Executing arbitrary commands without Active Scripting or ActiveX when using Windows]
     Firefox installation - (tuberculosis) - (72)
         Er, no... - (admin) - (24)
             No, his point is well taken. - (jake123) - (10)
                 Missed mine. - (admin) - (2)
                     That may very well be - (jake123) - (1)
                         But like I said - (admin)
                 There should be a standard desktop place to get new apps. - (Another Scott) - (6)
                     Very odd. - (admin) - (3)
                         I'll try again and report back. Thanks. -NT - (Another Scott) - (2)
                             Results of trying apt-get for Privoxy on ProMEPIS. - (Another Scott) - (1)
                                 apt-get update doesn't do much. - (admin)
                     Check out... - (folkert) - (1)
                         Thanks. I always appreciate your help. -NT - (Another Scott)
             zsh: command not found: apt-get - (tuberculosis) - (12)
                 apt-get is a Debian thinger. - (Another Scott)
                 That still isn't the point. - (admin) - (9)
                     Does not compute - (tuberculosis) - (8)
                         Hand waving. - (admin)
                         You don't manage the machine. - (folkert) - (6)
                             You guys are all confused - (tuberculosis) - (5)
                                 Now, come on Todd. - (folkert)
                                 Here's how to get Firefox on RedHat 7.2. - (Another Scott) - (2)
                                     Wha??? - (Yendor) - (1)
                                         Danke. I looked a bit, but not enough I guess. :-/ -NT - (Another Scott)
                                 fink runs fine on my mac? - (daemon)
                 I wondered when the change would happen. -NT - (folkert)
         Odd. - (imric) - (43)
             False analogy - (tuberculosis) - (42)
                 On *which* distribution? - (admin) - (21)
                     I don't know - (tuberculosis) - (20)
                         Dunno. - (admin) - (3)
                             Only clue I have is original install uses "disco" - (tuberculosis) - (2)
                                 Google says it's RedHat - (admin) - (1)
                                     Ha! :-) -NT - (Another Scott)
                         To finger out your release and distro... - (folkert) - (5)
                             RH 7.2 (Enigma). Enigma? You're telling me. - (tuberculosis) - (4)
                                 Now you have to wonder. - (folkert) - (3)
                                     Yes, now I wonder what we are running - (tuberculosis)
                                     Windows XP was released over 3 years ago :P - (altmann) - (1)
                                         Indeed, indeed. - (folkert)
                         Doesn't tell you at the login prompt? - (pwhysall) - (9)
                             Really? - (folkert) - (8)
                                 You're a primadonna - (pwhysall) - (6)
                                     Disagree - (broomberg)
                                     Take a CLOSER look. - (folkert) - (4)
                                         ...which has a custom kernel... - (pwhysall) - (3)
                                             Shhhhush. You'll wake the UnixMonster. - (Another Scott)
                                             But NONE of mine are -NT - (broomberg) - (1)
                                                 Fairynuff. - (pwhysall)
                                 Debian? - (imric)
                 It is an apt analogy. - (imric) - (19)
                     You're citing 10 year old software - (tuberculosis) - (18)
                         My sister has a non-working install of Quicktime. On OSX. - (imric) - (17)
                             That would be the exceptional case - (tuberculosis) - (6)
                                 *grin* see edited post above -NT - (imric)
                                 I would like to offer you the same evidence. - (folkert) - (4)
                                     Then tell me how to install firefox - (tuberculosis) - (3)
                                         Holy Crap. - (folkert) - (2)
                                             Looks pretty grim - (tuberculosis) - (1)
                                                 If they say... - (folkert)
                             Drag & Drop installation - (SpiceWare) - (3)
                                 Glad - (imric) - (2)
                                     Disk images are easiest - (tuberculosis) - (1)
                                         *shrug* -NT - (imric)
                             Answers - (tuberculosis) - (5)
                                 Re: Answers - (admin) - (4)
                                     Yabut - (tuberculosis) - (3)
                                         OLD, OLD, OLD - (folkert)
                                         Gah. - (admin)
                                         But... - (imric)
         Uninformed tosh, I'm afraid. - (pwhysall) - (2)
             I've now read the whole thread. - (pwhysall) - (1)
                 OT: "HEADCRABS!" -NT - (inthane-chan)

Man, what a sad thing to be known for...
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