Post #185,411
11/29/04 2:57:36 PM
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No, his point is well taken.
Joe Blow is going to go to the website. It would be good if there was a way to hook up what they have on the website to apt. However, I can see how that could be difficult to do.
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Post #185,412
11/29/04 3:00:25 PM
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Missed mine.
Just because Joe Blow on Windows goes to a website, doesn't mean that he should on Linux. And even if he does, I maintain that it's the Firefox installer he should be bitching about, not "desktop Linux", whatever the hell that is supposed to be.
Regards,
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Post #185,418
11/29/04 3:21:23 PM
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That may very well be
but that's not what will actually happen.
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Post #185,419
11/29/04 3:40:14 PM
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But like I said
It's the Firefox Installer that sucks, not "desktop Linux".
Regards,
-scott anderson
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Post #185,415
11/29/04 3:06:51 PM
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There should be a standard desktop place to get new apps.
I've gotten bitten by something similar to Todd's experience. Yesterday I wanted to install Privoxy on ProMEPIS. I downloaded the .deb from [link|http://www.privoxy.org|http://www.privoxy.org] but couldn't figure out what to do with it. I also tried using apt-get from memory, i.e. apt-get install privoxy without success. Yeah, I need to actually find the instructions rather than trying to guess my way through it. ;-) But some of this stuff should be discoverable by the user.
Xandros has an icon on the desktop called Xandros Networks. Inside is a menu item to "Check for New Software" or something similar. KDE and/or Gnome should have an easy to find icon or menu option for finding and installing software on the machine. If it's clear what to do simply by looking at the desktop, then the user will learn to use that and not go browsing for software until they know the system better.
Cheers, Scott.
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Post #185,416
11/29/04 3:16:54 PM
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Very odd.
sanderson:~$ apt-cache search privoxy\nprivoxy - Privacy enhancing HTTP Proxy apt-get install privoxy should do the trick. That's how I installed it.
Regards,
-scott anderson
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Post #185,417
11/29/04 3:17:45 PM
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I'll try again and report back. Thanks.
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Post #185,477
11/29/04 7:32:52 PM
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Results of trying apt-get for Privoxy on ProMEPIS.
I guess (but don't know for sure) it's a ProMEPIS vs Debian issue. :-( scott@2[~]$ apt-get install privoxy E: Could not open lock file /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (13 Permission denied) E: Unable to lock the administration directory (/var/lib/dpkg/), are you root? scott@2[~]$ su root Password: root@2[scott]# apt-get install privoxy Reading Package Lists... Done Building Dependency Tree... Done W: Couldn't stat source package list [link|ftp://ftp.us.debian.org|ftp://ftp.us.debian.org] testing/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_testing_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) W: Couldn't stat source package list [link|ftp://ftp.us.debian.org|ftp://ftp.us.debian.org] testing/contrib Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_testing_contrib_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) W: Couldn't stat source package list [link|ftp://ftp.us.debian.org|ftp://ftp.us.debian.org] testing/non-free Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_testing_non-free_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) W: Couldn't stat source package list [link|ftp://ftp.us.debian.org|ftp://ftp.us.debian.org] unstable/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) W: Couldn't stat source package list [link|ftp://ftp.us.debian.org|ftp://ftp.us.debian.org] unstable/contrib Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_contrib_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) W: Couldn't stat source package list [link|ftp://ftp.us.debian.org|ftp://ftp.us.debian.org] unstable/non-free Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.us.debian.org_debian_dists_unstable_non-free_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) W: Couldn't stat source package list [link|ftp://non-us.debian.org|ftp://non-us.debian.org] testing/non-US/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/non-us.debian.org_debian-non-US_dists_testing_non-US_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) W: Couldn't stat source package list [link|ftp://non-us.debian.org|ftp://non-us.debian.org] testing/non-US/contrib Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/non-us.debian.org_debian-non-US_dists_testing_non-US_contrib_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) W: Couldn't stat source package list [link|ftp://non-us.debian.org|ftp://non-us.debian.org] testing/non-US/non-free Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/non-us.debian.org_debian-non-US_dists_testing_non-US_non-free_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) W: Couldn't stat source package list [link|ftp://non-us.debian.org|ftp://non-us.debian.org] unstable/non-US/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/non-us.debian.org_debian-non-US_dists_unstable_non-US_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) W: Couldn't stat source package list [link|ftp://non-us.debian.org|ftp://non-us.debian.org] unstable/non-US/contrib Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/non-us.debian.org_debian-non-US_dists_unstable_non-US_contrib_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) W: Couldn't stat source package list [link|ftp://non-us.debian.org|ftp://non-us.debian.org] unstable/non-US/non-free Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/non-us.debian.org_debian-non-US_dists_unstable_non-US_non-free_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) W: Couldn't stat source package list [link|http://download.videolan.org|http://download.videolan.org] sid/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/download.videolan.org_pub_videolan_debian_dists_sid_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) W: Couldn't stat source package list [link|http://2004.mepis.org|http://2004.mepis.org] unstable/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/2004.mepis.org_mepis_dists_unstable_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) W: Couldn't stat source package list [link|ftp://ftp.nerim.net|ftp://ftp.nerim.net] unstable/main Packages(/var/lib/apt/lists/ftp.nerim.net_debian-marillat_dists_unstable_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) W: Couldn't stat source package list [link|ftp://metalab.unc.edu|ftp://metalab.unc.edu] unstable/main Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/metalab.unc.edu_pub_linux_devel_lang_java_blackdown.org_debian_dists_unstable_main_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) W: Couldn't stat source package list [link|ftp://metalab.unc.edu|ftp://metalab.unc.edu] unstable/non-free Packages (/var/lib/apt/lists/metalab.unc.edu_pub_linux_devel_lang_java_blackdown.org_debian_dists_unstable_non-free_binary-i386_Packages) - stat (2 No such file or directory) W: You may want to run apt-get update to correct these problems E: Couldn't find package privoxy root@2[scott]# I don't want to potentially break things by doing apt-get update yet. I'll do some research first. Pointers welcome. Thanks. Cheers, Scott.
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Post #185,504
11/29/04 9:33:08 PM
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apt-get update doesn't do much.
It just updates your current package information database.
Since you have an old database, either a) privoxy isn't in it or b) the dependencies are all old and non-existent.
Until you do 'apt-get update' nothing with apt-get will work, and on a Debian box that's pretty useless. :-)
Regards,
-scott anderson
"Welcome to Rivendell, Mr. Anderson..."
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Post #185,511
11/29/04 10:58:13 PM
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Check out...
my website, specifically [link|http://www.gregfolkert.net/files/sources.list|My Sources.list]
you can use it with Mephis.
Xandros was selling things like less and gedit etc... Bullshit...
Just keep to testing. Until Sarge turns stable.
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Post #185,515
11/29/04 11:14:50 PM
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Thanks. I always appreciate your help.
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