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New Specing out a new machine
My in-laws have generously offered to buy us a new machine as a holiday present. Being completely non-technical they want me to spec out and buy the machine. Therefore, I am looking for some advice.

The machine will be used for e-mail , web, word processing, digital photos, and some games (NO serious gaming).

CPU - GHZ? Intel or AMD?
memory - how much (512M)? Speed?
Hard disk - how big 80GB, 160GB?
Video card
Bus speed
Monitor - I currently have a regular 17" monitor, flat screen same size?
Router/Firewall - I have ADSL and would like to keep my old machine hooked up as well as hook up the new machine. In addition I would like a decent firewall.

Windows XP will come pre-installed (I hope to get Linux pre-installed as well, I will be buying from a local guy), what are the disk partition recommendations?

Thanks,

New Budget? Some options.
You can get a decent machine (without monitor) for $600, a very nice one for $1200, but it's still easy to spend $3000 on a PC if you really want to. Your first steps should be deciding: 1) Budget, 2) How long you want it to last, 3) Expansion options, 4) Needed peripherals, 5) Chassis size. They interact quite a bit. Take a look [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=179906|here] for some ideas. Also look at admin's [link|http://z.iwethey.org/forums/render/content/show?contentid=105271|microPC].

I just got a 19" Samsung 997DF monitor for $200 from BestBuy yesterday (it has a $20 rebate too). I'm hopeful it'll last longer than my 19" Hitachi CM771 (which is having geometry problems). I want to run it at 1600x1200. I should have a report later in the week.

High-quality, large, but inexpensive CRT monitors are quickly disappearing. :-(

HTH.

Cheers,
Scott.
New Budget is probably up to $1500
New For $1500 this is what I'd get.
19" Samsung 997DF monitor ($200 at BestBuy - $20 rebate)

You'll need to check these prices from [link|http://www.newegg.com|http://www.newegg.com] :

Motherboard: Asus A8V Deluxe (VIA K8T800Pro chipset), Socket 939. Uses non-ECC, unbuffered DDR400 RAM (4 GB max). Promise 20378 RAID. $129.00

Processor: AMD Athon64 3400+ (2.2 GHz), Winchester core (0.09 um). OEM. $269.

Memory: 2 each 512 MB PC3200 RAM (~ $85 - $115 each). Check for Asus Qualified memory, but most name-brand stuff should be OK. Get PC3200 memory so the processor isn't waiting for data any longer than it must.

Hard Drives: 2 each Hitachi 160 GB 7200 rpm/8 MB/Ultra ATA 100. 3 year warranty. OEM. $93.00 each. Setup as Raid 1 (mirrored). If you have a good backup strategy, you can run these in Raid 0 for better performance.

Rosewill Radeon 9600 128 MB, 128-bit video: Retail $78.00

Antec SX1040BII (400W) case: $94.99.

Plextor EIDE 12x DVD+/- RW drive. Retail. $105. (The SATA ports on the motherboard won't work with the SATA version of this drive so get the EIDE version.)

There'd probably be another $75 in case fans, CPU heat sink and fan, and misc. parts.

Something like that should be reasonable. You'd have some money left over for a keyboard, mouse, multifunction card reader, wireless networking, software, etc., as needed.

Or you could simply get a Compaq SA4000Z with XPHome and similar specs for $1374 after $50 rebate (with no monitor). [link|http://www.hpshopping.com|http://www.hpshopping.com]

HTH.

Cheers,
Scott.
New This is a quote that I got from a local dealer in Israel
DELUXE CASE
(SIS) FSB800/ DDR400/VIDEO/LAN/USB2
AMD Athlon 2500
2 x 512MB DDR 400
80GB 7200 8MB ULTRA CACHE
DVDRW 16X NEC IDE +/- DUAL LAYER
1.44MB 3.5"
MS MULTIMEDIA KEYBOARD
MS OPTICAL MOUSE
17" 0.24 FLAT
DELUXE SPEAKERS
SETUP / DELIVER / INSTALL
512MB DDR 400
WINDOWS XP PRO HEB/ENG
USB / LPT / SERIAL / SOUND / FIREWIRE CARD
G-FORCE FX5200 128MB DDR 8X-AGP

for about $1250. Note the prices in Israel are a bit more then in the US.

Any suggestions?
Expand Edited by bluke Nov. 30, 2004, 04:04:49 AM EST
Expand Edited by bluke Nov. 30, 2004, 05:06:08 AM EST
New Is the drive SATA?
Huge difference between SATA and PATA.
Spend a few extra bucks on the drive to get it.

Have you spent time in front of the screen? I hate the little LCDs, preferring real CRT. And then it may be a matter of WHICH LCDs I've spent time with. Make sure you are OK with that particular one.
New It is a flat CRT
I have to find out about the drive. I am wondering about about the Athlon 2500+
New Are you sure about the processor?
[link|http://www.newegg.com|http://www.newegg.com] lists an [link|http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProductdesc.asp?description=19-103-506&depa=0|AthlonXP 2500+ (Barton)] except it has a 333 MHz front-side bus. Getting DDR400 memory isn't necessary for such a processor (unless you want to overlock it or have an upgrade path in the next few months). If you can get a faster processor for a few dollars more, try to do so. It might be tough as the AthlonXP is being replaced on the low end by the Sempron and on the high end by the Athlon 64.

How much system memory are you getting? You have 2x512 and 512 listed. I'd go with at least 1 GB so you don't have to think about adding more for a while.

I can't comment on whether the price is good for your area. It's a shame that they're higher than in the US, but having a real person you can go to in case of problems is an advantage. See if another local store you trust will give you a quote. That'll give you some idea of how the prices compare.

HTH. Good luck!

Cheers,
Scott.
New Re: Are you sure about the processor?
It is 1GB of memory. The original quote I got was for a 3.0GHZ Pentium 4 which had the 400MHZ , the Athlon 2500 was a cost savings compromise.
New Prices
I am paying 17% VAT, if you order on the internet in the US there is no sales tax, even in a store, sales tax in the US is no more then 8.25% if I am not mistaken. On $1000+ that adds up.
New Erm... a Mac?
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New Not really an option where I am
     Specing out a new machine - (bluke) - (11)
         Budget? Some options. - (Another Scott) - (10)
             Budget is probably up to $1500 -NT - (bluke) - (9)
                 For $1500 this is what I'd get. - (Another Scott) - (6)
                     This is a quote that I got from a local dealer in Israel - (bluke) - (5)
                         Is the drive SATA? - (broomberg) - (1)
                             It is a flat CRT - (bluke)
                         Are you sure about the processor? - (Another Scott) - (2)
                             Re: Are you sure about the processor? - (bluke)
                             Prices - (bluke)
                 Erm... a Mac? -NT - (Arkadiy) - (1)
                     Not really an option where I am -NT - (bluke)

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