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Post #184,417
by bluke
11/18/04 12:07:36 PM
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New And therefore what
The US has certainly been a friend to Israel, there is no argument here. My point was that teh US is acting in a very hypocritical manner.
Post #184,419
by bepatient
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11/18/04 12:21:28 PM
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New And they would argue...
...that they are doing this to assist in the timely transition of interim government...and are doing so at the request of the acting government.

And before everyone gets all huffy...I do realize that is a bullshit response insofar as we placed the interim government in power in the first place.

Dude, we're hypocritical in the mid-east every time we change an administration. Why are you in here of all places pining for this group to realize something that we all already know?
If you push something hard enough, it will fall over. Fudd's First Law of Opposition

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Post #184,424
by ChrisR
11/18/04 1:16:39 PM
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New The U.S. has always been hypocritical
They apply one standard to Israel and another to the rest of the mideast. Of course, if we really wanted to make friends in the MidEast, all we'd have to do is pull the rug out and pass an economic blockade against Israel in the security council.

You seem to be under the mistaken belief that the U.S. has taken a hard line against Israel. What I always hear from the State Dept is (a) Israel should be cautious and sensitive; and (b) Israel has a right to defend itself. That line basically means the U.S. does nothing to try and stop the Israelis - including in Jenin.

As for the current context, I for one dislike the response from those that are trying to justify the soldiers actions. If the soldiers do not have discipline, then they are not a military force. It doesn't really matter whether we can justify it to ourselves, the effect on Arab opinion is already set in concrete. What matters from our perspective is simply whether the soldier defied orders in how to handle situations in armed conflict. Court martial his ass if he did. If the problem is more systematic, then Court Martial those involved in issuing the orders.
     Marine executes wounded unarmed prisoners - (bluke) - (32) - Nov. 17, 2004, 08:41:34 AM EST
         s/prisoner/DEADLY ASSAILANT OF FREEDOM AND TRUTH/ -NT - (pwhysall) - Nov. 17, 2004, 09:06:51 AM EST
         feller doing the shooting was shot in the face - (daemon) - (14) - Nov. 17, 2004, 05:58:29 PM EST
             Excuses, excuses, excuses - (bluke) - (13) - Nov. 18, 2004, 02:51:48 AM EST
                 What are you looking for? - (bepatient) - (11) - Nov. 18, 2004, 11:33:52 AM EST
                     And the tactics in Falluja don't???? - (bluke) - (4) - Nov. 18, 2004, 11:46:08 AM EST
                         Israel has very few friends - (ChrisR) - (3) - Nov. 18, 2004, 11:53:38 AM EST
                             And therefore what - (bluke) - (2) - Nov. 18, 2004, 12:07:36 PM EST
                                 And they would argue... - (bepatient) - Nov. 18, 2004, 12:21:28 PM EST
                                 The U.S. has always been hypocritical - (ChrisR) - Nov. 18, 2004, 01:16:39 PM EST
                     The US is very arrogant - (bluke) - (5) - Nov. 18, 2004, 12:05:37 PM EST
                         ROFL - - (imric) - Nov. 18, 2004, 12:13:26 PM EST
                         I won't expect symapthy. - (bepatient) - Nov. 18, 2004, 12:24:05 PM EST
                         er..nitpick... - (Simon_Jester) - (2) - Nov. 20, 2004, 10:07:49 PM EST
                             I think the US is arrogant - (imric) - (1) - Nov. 20, 2004, 10:23:51 PM EST
                                 s /US/human race/ -NT - (Another Scott) - Nov. 20, 2004, 10:25:38 PM EST
                 eh? personally I think Israel should have long ago - (daemon) - Nov. 18, 2004, 06:11:39 PM EST
         Saw a grab from US TV. - (static) - Nov. 18, 2004, 12:07:07 AM EST
         "All considered hostile" - (ChrisR) - (14) - Nov. 18, 2004, 02:53:43 PM EST
             More from the camera man - (ChrisR) - (8) - Nov. 22, 2004, 01:47:41 PM EST
                 Even the shooter realized he did something wrong - (Arkadiy) - (7) - Nov. 23, 2004, 10:22:32 AM EST
                     "We didn't know the camps were there." - (mmoffitt) - (6) - Nov. 23, 2004, 11:07:17 AM EST
                         From a camp guard? I don't think so. - (Arkadiy) - (5) - Nov. 23, 2004, 01:10:03 PM EST
                             Yes. Terrified of being caught. - (mmoffitt) - (4) - Nov. 23, 2004, 08:05:19 PM EST
                                 NOT militia. Militia is NOT Military. - (imric) - Nov. 23, 2004, 09:53:06 PM EST
                                 The president and the S.o.D. - (Arkadiy) - (2) - Nov. 23, 2004, 09:58:21 PM EST
                                     I think you are spot on - (Silverlock) - (1) - Nov. 24, 2004, 08:44:07 AM EST
                                         Deja Vu? - (dmcarls) - Nov. 24, 2004, 09:17:10 AM EST
             Finding someone to blame. - (static) - (4) - Nov. 23, 2004, 09:56:36 PM EST
                 Accidental execution? -NT - (imric) - (1) - Nov. 23, 2004, 09:59:48 PM EST
                     I meant a possible errant decision made in haste. -NT - (static) - Nov. 23, 2004, 10:06:16 PM EST
                 I wouldn't classify it as an accident.... - (Simon_Jester) - (1) - Nov. 23, 2004, 10:20:36 PM EST
                     The IDF has a term for it - "verification of the kill". - (a6l6e6x) - Nov. 23, 2004, 11:08:16 PM EST

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