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New Even though more people voted for Gore.
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"Despite imprecise data and differing interpretations of dozens of possible results, there was broad agreement on one of the least noted realities of the Florida recount: Had election officials and the courts sought to identify the choice of the electorate, rather than to satisfy the demands of partisans, Gore would have emerged as the winner.
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From an article [link|http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=11900|here].

For all the sound and fury that accompanied the election, this point is consistently ignored.
How to mangle the truth;

Have it reported by any major U.S. media outlet.
New I don't think that point is ignored.
However, it >is< irrelevent.

And its just as dangerous a precedent to set as was set by the USSC.

It doesn't matter who you actually voted for...because >we know< who you meant.

You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! Laurie Anderson

[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
New Irrelevant? The twisting of rules denies peoples choice
and it's irrelevant? I don't know how to respond to that. Awe inspiring (arrogance?) something. I am truly impressed. And astoundingly disappointed.
How to mangle the truth;

Have it reported by any major U.S. media outlet.
New You should know how to respond...
...because that is simply called the rule of law.

Both sides played the game according to the rules (USSC notwithstanding...because we all agree it was outside the rules...but should also agree was irrelevent to the outcome). One side lost.

After the fact we, the people, found out that the rules >really suck<...and so we endeavor to change the rules so they don't >really suck< anymore...and make it possible to vote and have our votes counted better, more accurately and have our choices actually represented.

Its called learning froom your mistakes...not compounding them by allowing someone authority to decide what you actually meant to do but didn't.

You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! Laurie Anderson

[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
New Ah, but it was the precident

And its just as dangerous a precedent to set as was set by the USSC.

It doesn't matter who you actually voted for...because >we know< who you meant.

for Florida elections up to 2000. Most of the time, there wasn't a problem.

Of course, then we changed the rules.
New But who else but the partisans can act in the courts?
"Despite imprecise data and differing interpretations of dozens of possible results, there was broad agreement on one of the least noted realities of the Florida recount: Had election officials and the courts sought to identify the choice of the electorate, rather than to satisfy the demands of partisans, Gore would have emerged as the winner.


For all the sound and fury that accompanied the election, this point is consistently ignored.

I don't think that point is being ignored.

If the people running in the election don't choose to exercise their options under the law for a state-wide recount, then how can the courts step in and say "look, you should have done this because you're not allowing the real winner to be determined otherwise."? The election laws weren't set up that way. Full recounts in the affected areas would be automatic otherwise and they aren't. It was up to Bush and/or Gore to request a state-wide manual recount. Neither did by the deadline.

The election laws in Florida and other places were set up such that it was up to the people running for office to decide which options they were going to persue. They, from their own self-interest, exercised the options they had under the law to do what they thought would maximize their chance of winning. Gore apparently made the wrong choice.

The Florida election was a tie to within the margin of error. Both parties tried their best to make the result swing their way. I hope the laws in Florida and other places are being adjusted to help minimize chances of train-wrecks like the FL case, but there are going to be difficulties like this whenever the election is within the margin of error.

My $0.02.

Cheers,
Scott.
     Bush would have won anyway - (bluke) - (45)
         20/20 hindsight. The deed was done in ignorance and fear - (Ashton)
         Read further and you will see... - (mmoffitt)
         You'll notice... - (bepatient) - (33)
             re: By the standards set. - (Silverlock)
             You still don't get it, do you? -NT - (mmoffitt) - (30)
                 Sure I do... - (bepatient) - (29)
                     Don't think I'm missing anything. - (mmoffitt) - (28)
                         Mega dittoes, Rush. - (Brandioch) - (1)
                             Rush? S.O.B. is as far as I go with a joke! -NT - (mmoffitt)
                         Sure you are... - (bepatient) - (25)
                             So only *some* of the votes should have been counted, right? -NT - (mmoffitt) - (24)
                                 The ones that the FL SC said to count...correct. - (bepatient) - (23)
                                     At last! We see the difference between us. - (mmoffitt) - (22)
                                         Wrong... - (bepatient) - (21)
                                             So then - if an AG is behaving in a patently biased way - (Ashton)
                                             Just wondering - (JayMehaffey) - (11)
                                                 you mean the demomob stopping military counts? :) - (boxley) - (10)
                                                     That was the flaw, they (or Gore) didn't stop them. - (mmoffitt) - (9)
                                                         Regardless. - (bepatient) - (8)
                                                             You're right - (Silverlock) - (6)
                                                                 In this case... - (bepatient) - (5)
                                                                     correct outcome? - (Silverlock) - (4)
                                                                         All reports.. - (bepatient) - (3)
                                                                             Debatable that the rules were followed. - (Silverlock) - (2)
                                                                                 Amen brutha! - (bepatient) - (1)
                                                                                     Ventura or Knowles, but they wont run -NT - (boxley)
                                                             In Summary. - (mmoffitt)
                                             Nope. I only object to selective enforcement. - (mmoffitt) - (7)
                                                 yup and the law says overcounted ballots must be thrown out - (boxley) - (6)
                                                     :-) -NT - (bepatient)
                                                     Of course, the law also states... - (Simon_Jester) - (4)
                                                         And the ruling on the field was? -NT - (bepatient) - (3)
                                                             (IIRC) The appeals court overturned the law. - (Simon_Jester) - (2)
                                                                 postmarks were required by fl law not by federal at time -NT - (boxley) - (1)
                                                                     True..but believe it or not... - (Simon_Jester)
             Related logic: "I saw Bigfoot once". -NT - (Ashton)
         Even though more people voted for Gore. - (Silverlock) - (5)
             I don't think that point is ignored. - (bepatient) - (3)
                 Irrelevant? The twisting of rules denies peoples choice - (Silverlock) - (1)
                     You should know how to respond... - (bepatient)
                 Ah, but it was the precident - (Simon_Jester)
             But who else but the partisans can act in the courts? - (Another Scott)
         So the USSC cost Bush the election - (mhuber) - (2)
             Maybe the only obvious 'truth' to emerge yet! -NT - (Ashton)
             Well....yeah, put that way... -NT - (bepatient)

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