Post #18,225
11/14/01 9:49:07 AM
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That was the flaw, they (or Gore) didn't stop them.
Articles I've read said that Boies wanted to challenge the "illegally late" submitted absentee ballots, but Gore himself insisted that they not challenge those - clearly, this strategy cost him.
My BL is that all votes should count and *no* court should get its wicket into the fray. Contrary to Beep's post, I do realize the need for voting laws, particularly when it comes to a reasonable timeframe to conclude the act of voting. IMO, all states should allow voting over several days, preferably including at least one week-end. But, unlike Gore, I believe that when the deadline passes, it passes, notwithstanding one's current or past military hitch status.
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Post #18,234
11/14/01 10:28:26 AM
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Regardless.
...in the election just passed...based upon both parties right to due process via the State SC...the outcome would have been the same.
That is the part you continually refuse to accept.
You point to alot of valid information about just how truly screwed up the FL system was...and alot of information about how it >would have come out if<...
The fact remains...based on the rules in force >at the time<, the USSC decision was a very bad precedent...but had no effect on the outcome...which would have been the same.
Hopefully, ALL states have taken this as a lesson and have changed rules, established procedures and closed loopholes in order to ensure that all votes (or as many as possible) are counted and that it is EASY for people to understand who they are really voting for.
You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! Laurie Anderson
[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
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Post #18,249
11/14/01 11:40:41 AM
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You're right
Based on the flawed procedures in place at the time, the wrong man was elected.
How to mangle the truth;
Have it reported by any major U.S. media outlet.
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Post #18,283
11/14/01 3:01:04 PM
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In this case...
...your sig has you as a media outlet.
Based upon the rules in place at the time, the correct outcome was reached.
Now, of course, the correct outcome may not have been the >right< one...but that, of course, is a value judgement.
And this is not the first time that a situation like this has happened...lets just hope its finally the last.
You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! Laurie Anderson
[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
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Post #18,287
11/14/01 3:08:49 PM
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correct outcome?
That would imply the rules were followed. In a state renowned for its corruption, institutional racism and political cronyism. Remotely possible I suppose. Highly unlikely though.
How to mangle the truth;
Have it reported by any major U.S. media outlet.
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Post #18,293
11/14/01 3:30:29 PM
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All reports..
...that have followed the guidelines and procedures set forth by the FL SC and counted the disputed ballots that were ordered recounted have all come to the same conclusion...Bush won.
Now..if you want to start questioning the way the rules were applied...and the >rightness< of the rules in play...go ahead...I don't think you'll get any argument from me.
You would get an argument from me, however, if you claim that its only screwed up in Florida or if it was only the Republicans that tapdanced along that fine line.
You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! Laurie Anderson
[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
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Post #18,300
11/14/01 4:21:54 PM
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Debatable that the rules were followed.
But not worth the effort. We have a legally appointed president who would have been elected and is not the choice of the electorate. I can live with that and hope he is voted out come next election. A much larger hope is that a candidate is offered who is remotely worthy of being elected.
How to mangle the truth;
Have it reported by any major U.S. media outlet.
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Post #18,304
11/14/01 4:40:00 PM
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Amen brutha!
A much larger hope is that a candidate is offered who is remotely worthy of being elected. On that we agree. You were born...and so you're free...so Happy Birthday! Laurie Anderson
[link|mailto:bepatient@aol.com|BePatient]
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Post #18,376
11/14/01 11:23:07 PM
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Ventura or Knowles, but they wont run
tshirt front "born to die before I get old"
thshirt back "fscked another one didnja?"
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Post #18,709
11/18/01 8:22:08 PM
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In Summary.
"In other words, you don't need a consortium to know which way the wind blew--or to know that the man in the White House is there, legitimately or not, by mistake."
And that's something >you< apparently cannot, or will not, accept: the man in the White House is there only through a combination of a thoroughly unfunny comedy of errors and a corrupt system.
Best comments I've read here: [link|http://www.thenation.com/doc.mhtml?i=20011203|http://www.thenatio...l?i=20011203]&s=corn
(For the McNews impaired: The Nation is the oldest news magazine in the US and can be accurately described as being a slight bit Left of center. Read it (especially Alexander Cockburn's "Beat the Devil") and you'll understand why the almost imperceptibly small minority of US citizens who can bend at the knee when they walk are greatly amused when told of a "Left bias in the medja")
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